- cypherpunks-legacy - lists.cpunks.org

stop
by THEAUDIN 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr please stop thea0594(a)eurobretagne.fr

1 0

Re: Schelling Points leads to interesting family investment opportunities
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:41 PM 7/28/96, Ian Grigg wrote: >Hi Tim, > >you said: >> The _costs_ of extending beyond the Schelling point boundaries >> is deemed to be too high, and the boundary persists. > >This reminds me of the transactional theory of business units. >Working from memory, the optimal size of a business unit is >positively related to the cost of the transactions conducted >between units, other things being held constant. > >Thus, in a place where it is "expensive to do business" the >dominant form of company will be large. Conversely in a >cheap business environment, small companies will predominate. >This notion spurs one to examine the transactional costs and >to decide (or not) to lower them... Yes, I think these things are deeply intertwined. Coase's work on the nature of corporations, for example. (Another connection is that economics and markets are largely about "signalling mechanisms," and it can be argued that prices are variants of Schelling points, albeit hopping around as other market players jockey for advantage.) >The interesting part for your family context is that falling >transaction costs have purportedly produced a shift away from >large companies to smaller units. Those falling costs are in >the sphere of digital communications, other technology, and >regulation. If such were to apply to the context of families, >upbringing children and education in general, one might >predict that the size of the family should shrink. Which it has, as you note. The availability of microwave dinners, transportation to new jobs, new employment patterns, and other factors too numerable to mention are correlated fairly strongly with a reduction in the size of the average family. >One would then be lead to ask, if you are proposing that >Internet technologies in general and crypto in particular >are influences on the Schelling points related to the family >rights set, can this result in smaller family units? I wouldn't go quite _this_ far! (And it's hard to go too much further than we have already...as you noted, increasing numbers of Westerners are single.) Certainly your comments are generally relevant and interesting, and sociologists should have fun examining the economic, game-theoretic, psychological, and other factors that are interlinked. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

2 1

Re: A Special Offer!
by Bill Rockefeller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The 'A special offer' posting was fraudulent, and from UUNet, not from the NetWizards domain, or NetWizards newsservers. If you'll examine the headers in the message, you will find this to be true. If you'd like to complain, please contact the UUNet Administration. This is the second spam this lamer has posted, and the only person he's hurting is himself, and users of Usenet. Dozer (aka Bill Rockefeller) is the System Administrator at NetWizards, and does NOT approve of spam in any way, shape or form. All of these schemes are illegal, and a waste of time. Get a job, work for a living. :) For more information on the REAL Dozer (not the SPAMMER), feel free to drop by his homepage, at http://www.dozer.com, and look under Dozer's section. Dozer also runs the Mustang 5.0 Mailing list for the Internet, if you have a Modified Mustang 5.0, or are interested in them, email 50ml(a)netwiz.net. We apologize for any confusion the poor misguided soul that posted the fraudulent message may have caused. :) Note: Mailbombing this address is quite useless. It filters all mailbombs, etc, and has unlimited space.

1 0

Fooling people with Java applets
by br＠scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

|Hmm. Actually, what do Java dialog prompts look like? Is there any |indication that they come from Java, or can they be made to look like any |dialog from any program, or the OS itself? I suppose this is |implementation-dependent. | |One "neat" trick would be an applet that sleeps for several minutes and |then suddenly pops up asking for your system password, or something. |A heck of a lot of people fell for something much more primitive at AOL. All graphical UI elements spawed by an applet, which are the only ones that can get user events, are clearly marked as "untrusted applet window"s. So unless you type your password in a pop-up marked "untrusted applet window", you should be fine. And if you do, you arguably deserve whatever happens to you.... -- Benjamin Renaud Java Products Group

1 0

Re: Newt's phone calls
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in article <5bk506$ruj(a)life.ai.mit.edu>... > Brian Lane wrote: > The fact is that the transmission 'was' encrypted. While this fact > isn't > being 'reported', it is causing no small amount of consternation in > certain circles in Washington. Knowing the circles that would be concerned I know that they are discussing no such thing. Phill

1 0

DIGICASH:Re: observer chips
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I have always been skeptical of this observer-chip approach, because it > wasn't clear that it was feasible to make a tamper-resistant chip > economically, and because the specialized hardware that would be > required would prevent the system from being used on widely-available PCs. Well, the government pretends they can do a tamper-proof chip, complete with wiretap keys installed by the wizards behind the curtain, for $36. That's $26 for the chip in qty 10,000, plus a subsidized $10 for tapping service and key installation. I thought Mykotronx's press releases had sounded more like they wanted $36 themselves, and I don't know the price for VLSI Inc's tamper-proof technology, but it may not be far off. As far as interfaces go, PCMCIA are nice, but there's not much data to transfer in most digicash exchanges, so a dumb cheap serial interface may be more realistic, since everything supports it. Bill Stewart

1 0

No Subject
by cowen＠glia.biostr.washington.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hello folks i have been trying to ge the non-net folk to fight against clipper and all other such methods of the gov't to surpress the freedom to talk to anyone at anytime without other listening in on things so my finacee wi going ot give a short series of speachs to her speech class. anyone can do this, talk out loud to the public tell your non net friends, tell everyone. also ..... help anyone who has a list of article or topics that can be looked up in serial lititure to use for this purpose, please e.mail me the info or post it so others can gain the infomation to use to fight those who would take our rights from us. charles the monster maker

1 0

Re: Crippled Notes export encryption
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>By the way, I really think Netscape should simply ship Jeff and other >people to the Amsterdam office or wherever else seems reasonable and That won't work -- they gotta hire non-US persons to do the work.

2 1

Re: Wipe delete
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Jan 20, 1996 10:24:34, 'sheol(a)downdeep.com' wrote: >How can data be recovered after it has been wipe by being >overwritten? You say even 8 or 9 times is not secure? That's kind of >scary. > Let me "answer" this and another post first by saying, re the tekkie stuff, "I do not know." However, my non-technical understanding goes something like this: Reading and writing/erasing from a disk platter are pure only in the abstract. A bit interpreted as a 1 or 0 has a certain level of magnetism that the software accepts as defining it as a 1 or 0. The level of defined magnteism is never 100% on the specification; it always varies a little. How much it varies can be read by different grades of hardware. Think of a simple erasure of data that has been written once and erased once. The different patterns of writing will have slightly different values. These can be read with specialized hardware and the raw data analyzed with special software programs. Is there a cheap way that *we* can do such things? I do not think so. The normal read/write head(s) on our normal hard disks have a limited sensitivity, fine for normal read/write operations but not sensitive enough the gather the minute variations described above. Doing a military grade analysis of heavily overwritten data involves, to my knowledge, first opening the disk drive, removing the platters, inserting the platters in a second drive with much more sensitive heads, initializing the new drive to make sure that the extra-sensitive heads can locate the proper tracks/sectors etc. on the old platter, and then gathering the data. That is, the first steps in the process are hardware, not software, steps. Now one way to increse the sensitivity of a read/write head is to run it closer to the physical media on which the magnetic signal resides. In other words, the intensity of magnetic flux decreases as a function of distance; get closer to the source and you can read weaker signals. This also means that, as you postion a new read/write head closer to the platters you significantly increase the likelihood that it will physically crash into the platter itself with the data intensity of an army tank running over a stack of bowling pins. This, in turn means that the new combination of extra-sensitive read/write head and old disk platter is especially sensitive to contaminates. (Forgetting the width of the gap in the head which is another way of increasing sensitivity), the level of contamination like smoke particles, dust, etc. must be less than that called for in the original factory specifications. This, I think, means you need a physical "clean room" to perform the reassembly that is cleaner than that used by the original factory. Those aren't cheap and that is (one) reason why there isn't a cheap way for us to do this. At least some aspects of this service is commercially available today. One easy way to locate services is to look at the small ads in the back of _PC Magaxine_. You might try Vogon USA. voice is 405-321-2485. fax is 405-321-2741. They have no WWW page or even e-mail address because they are not on the net. I don't even think they permit modems on their factory site. I spoke to Bob Emerson, Vogon's Service Manager, about this. He explained it as a security matter: you don't get hacked over the net if you aren't on the net; you don't get penetrated over the phone lines if you don't have modems in your shop. Sorry for the excessively broad non-technical character of this post. I'm sure other people on the list can go into the privacy issue of data recovery in far greater detail while ROFLTAO at my low level of knowledge. tallpaul

1 0

FW: Veriphone and Netscape Team to Provide Internet Payment Solutions
by Pete Loshin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's the Netscape press release on their Verifone collaboration; note that they explain nothing about 128 bits or 1024 bits--but Netscape now appears to claim to be the sole developers of SEPP. It looks like Verifone will be building their approval/verification mechanism into a Netscape product, and selling it themselves. I've removed contact info and the source at Netscape (in their PR dept), just to avoid unnecessarily nettling anyone. Presumably Netscape shouldn't be able to complain about it getting passed around since it will likely be the basis of reports in various trade/news rags by next week anyway. Enjoy. -Pete Loshin pete(a)loshin.com ---------- COPITHORNE & BELLOWS (for VeriFone) [contact info deleted] VERIFONE, INC. [contact info deleted] NETSCAPE [contact info deleted] VeriFone and Netscape Team To Provide Internet Payment Solutions Worldwide Leaders To Accelerate Commerce on the Internet REDWOOD CITY, Calif. - January 22, 1996 - VeriFone, Inc. (NYSE: VFI), and Netscape Communications Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today announced an agreement to create comprehensive Internet payment solutions, enabling merchants, banks, credit card companies and consumers to expand the use of the Internet for electronic commerce. The agreement between VeriFone, the world leader in retail electronic payment systems, and Netscape, the premier provider of open software for linking people and information over enterprise networks and the Internet, is designed to accelerate acceptance of the Internet as a mainstream vehicle for commerce. Under terms of the agreement, the two companies will join forces to address the transaction processing needs of both financial institutions and merchants. For financial institutions, Netscape's gateway software and VeriFone's payment technology will be combined to create a seamless interface between the Internet and existing financial networks. VeriFone will also provide customization, installation and support services for these customers. To serve merchants, VeriFone will resell Netscape's server and commerce products bundled with VeriFone payment functionality to deliver complete software solutions for merchants who want to broaden their reach by establishing a commercial presence on the Internet. VeriFone will provide merchants with these solutions through its existing customers and channels. Netscape and VeriFone create a combination that is uniquely qualified to fulfill the promise of global electronic commerce. VeriFone's point-of-sale systems for online payment processing and credit card verification are among standards recognized by thousands of banks, credit card and debit card processors, and millions of merchants and consumers throughout the world. VeriFone's solutions today address the technology standards, payment methods and government regulations of over 90 countries around the world, enabling the two companies to accelerate their goal of deploying Internet payment systems worldwide. "Netscape's agreement with VeriFone will bring a comprehensive Internet payment solution to merchants, banks, credit card companies and consumers which will continue to fuel electronic commerce worldwide," said James Barksdale, chief executive officer at Netscape. "By combining VeriFone's electronic payment technology with Netscape's complete line of server and commerce software products, financial institutions and merchants can implement a complete payment solution." Creating Comprehensive Payment Solutions The new solutions will be designed to be compatible with current and future credit card payment protocols, including Secure Electronic Payment Protocol (SEPP), developed by Netscape. The two companies are working with leading card associations and processors to include additional protocols, supporting future payments instruments such as micropayments and debit transactions. "To truly enable Internet commerce, banks, credit card companies, merchants and consumers need a trusted interoperable system as accessible and secure as current payment systems," said Hatim A. Tyabji, chairman, president and chief executive officer of VeriFone. "Consumers need to know they can safely pay for something electronically, merchants need to know they can safely accept it, and banks and other financial organizations need to be able to process it. Our goal is to give merchants the same 'plug and play' payment access on the Internet that they have come to expect in their retail stores." VeriFone expects the integrated Netscape/VeriFone Internet gateway systems for financial institutions and the merchant systems to become available in the second to third quarters of 1996 from VeriFone, with increasing payment protocols and enhancements becoming available throughout the year. Company Backgrounds Netscape Communications Corporation (http://www.netscape.com) is a premier provider of open software for linking people and information over enterprise networks and the Internet. The company offers a full line of Netscape Navigator clients, servers, development tools, and Netscape Internet Applications to create a complete platform for next-generation, live online applications. Traded on NASDAQ under the symbol "NSCP," Netscape Communications Corporation is based in Mountain View, California. VeriFone, Inc. (http://www.verifone.com) is a leading global provider of Transaction Automation and Internet commerce solutions used to deliver electronic payment services to financial institutions, retail merchants and consumers, as well as government agencies, healthcare providers and benefits recipients. The company's more than 30 facilities -- including regional offices, development centers, and manufacturing and distribution centers -- are located throughout North and South America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia. To date, VeriFone has shipped more than 4.8 million Transaction Automation systems, which have been installed in over 90 countries. The company's 1994 net revenues totaled $309.1 million. In 1995, VeriFone acquired Enterprise Integration Technologies (http://www.eit.com) -- a leading provider of software and consulting services for electronic commerce on the Internet. (30) VeriFone is a registered trademark of VeriFone, Inc. All other brand names and trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

2 1