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HoHoCon 93 : Final Update
by Drunkfux 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Final Update - December 1, 1993] [Please see the Miscellaneous Notes section for new information] (Distribute Freely) dFx, Phrack Magazine and cDc - Cult Of The Dead Cow proudly present : The Fourth Annual H O H O C O N "Cliff Stoll My K0DEZ!@$#!" Who: All Hackers, Journalists, Security Personnel, Federal Agents, Lawyers, Authors, Cypherpunks, Virtual Realists, Modem Geeks, Telco Employees, and Other Interested Parties. Where: Austin North Hilton & Towers and Super 8 Motel 6000 Middle Fiskville Road Austin, Texas 78752 U.S.A. Hilton : (800) 347-0330 / (512) 451-5757 Super 8: (800) 800-8000 / (512) 467-8163 When: Friday December 17 through Sunday December 19, 1993 What is HoHoCon? ---------------- HoHoCon is the largest annual gathering of those in, related to, or wishing to know more about the computer underground. Attendees generally include some of the most notable members of the "hacking" and "telecom" community, journalists, authors, security professionals, lawyers, and a host of others. Previous speakers include John Draper (Cap'n Crunch), Ray Kaplan, Chris Goggans (Erik Bloodaxe), Bruce Sterling, and many more. The conference is also one of the very few that is completely open to the public and we encourage anyone who is interested to attend. Hotel Information ----------------- The Austin North Hilton recently split its complex into two seperate hotels; the Hilton and the newly added Super 8. HoHoCon guests have the choice of staying in either hotel. Group rates are as followed : Super 8: Single - $46.50, Double - $49.50, Triple - $52.50, Quad - $55.50 Hilton : Single - $69.00, Double - $79.00, Triple - $89.00, Quad - $99.00 Once again, the hotel has set aside a block of rooms for the conference and we recommend making your reservations as early as possible to guarantee a room within the block, if not to just guarantee a room period. Rooms for the handicapped are available upon request. To make your reservations, call the the number listed above that corresponds with where you are and where you want to stay and make sure you tell them you are with the HoHoCon conference or else you'll end up throwing more money away. The hotel accepts American Express, Visa, Master Card, Discover, Diner's Club, and Carte Blanche credit cards. Check-in is 3:00 p.m. and check-out is 12:00 noon. Earlier check-in is available if there are unoccupied rooms available. Please note that in order for the hotel to hold a room past 6:00 p.m. on the date of arrival, the individual reservation must be secured by a deposit or guaranteed with one of the credit cards listed above. Also, any cancellations of guaranteed reservations must be made prior to 6:00 p.m. on the date of arrival. You will be responsible for full payment of any guaranteed reservations which are not cancelled by this time. The hotel provides transportaton to and from the airport and will give you full information when you make your reservations. Directions ---------- For those of you who will be driving to the conference, the following is a list of directions provided by the hotel (so, if they're wrong, don't blame me): Dallas : Take IH 35 south to exit 238-B, the Houston exit. At the first stop light, turn right on to 2222. Turn off of 2222 onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. San Antonio : Take IH 35 north to exit 238-B, the Houston exit. At the second stop light, turn left onto 2222. Turn off 2222 onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhoud Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. Houston (on 290) : Take 290 west into Austin. Exit off of 290 at the IH35 exit (do not get on 35). Stay on the access road heading west, you will pass two stop lights. Turn off the access road onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. Houston (on 71) : Take 71 west into Austin. Exit onto 183 north. Take 183 north to 290 west. Take 290 west to the IH 35 exit. Exit off of 290 at the IH 35 exit (do not get on 35). Stay on the access road heading west, you will pass two stop lights. Turn off the access road onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Stattion). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel in on the left. Airport : Exit the airport parking lot and turn right onto Manor Road. Take Manor Road to Airport Boulevard and turn right. Take Airport Boulevard to IH 35 north. Take IH 35 to exit 238-B. At the second stop light, turn left onto 2222. Turn off of 2222 onto Clayton Lane (by the Greyhound Station). At the stop sign, turn right onto Middle Fiskville, the hotel is on the left. Call the hotel if these directions aren't complete enough or if you need additional information. Conference Details __________________ HoHoCon will last 3 days, with the actual conference being held on Saturday, December 18 starting at 10:00 a.m. and continuing until 5 p.m. or earlier depending on the number of speakers. The following is a proposed time table and speaker/topic list : 10:00 - Introduction 10:15 - Ray Kaplan Implementation of an Intrusion Tracking and Vulnerability Reporting Database To Hack or not to Hack - This is NOT the question 11:00 - Bruce Sterling (*) 11:15 - Cryptography Panel : Jim McCoy, Doug Barnes, John Draper A general introduction to crypto, including methods and history Current crypto debates and discussions : Clipper, Exports, etc. The importance of cryptography/encryption Q&A : Legal notes provided by Steve Ryan and other lawyers. 12:00 - John Draper (Cap'n Crunch) Hacking and Phreaking in the USSR - Part 2 The Rave Scene / Draper's Dance Demonstration More interesting stories from the old days Exercise Tips / Fun with Towels 1:30 - Steve Jackson (We're not exactly sure what Steve will be speaking on, but my guess is that the SJG case and io.com will bth be covered) 2:00 - Intermission 2:30 - Raffle 2:45 - Chris Goggans (Erik Bloodaxe) Goggans' Guide to Gifs Where to find the good stuff : A introduction to FSP Why I love Germany and the Netherlands PoP/FoF : Purveyours of Porn / Followers of Filth (Actually, we have no earthly idea what he's speaking on) 3:30 - Lex Luthor The LoD Com project 3:45 - Darren McKeeman How to turn a computer conviction into a journalism career 4:15 - DJKC (*) Why printing out /etc/passwd can be a bad idea, aKa How I got kicked out of school 4:45 - Onkeld (Stefan) The European scene / Current happenings An intorduction to BlueBEEP 5:00 - Steve Ryan Legalities for 94 / Your rights EFH - Electronic Frontier Houston Legal Q&A 5:30 - Beavis & Butt-Head This conference sucks A (*) denotes that these speakers are not 100% confirmed as of yet, but there is a very good chance they will be speaking. There will also be more speakers added during the conference. We are still taking submissions, so if you would like to speak during the conference, please mail us as soon as possible and include a brief outline of what you would like to speak on and a rough estimate of how long you will need. We would like to have people bring interesting items and videos again this year. If you have anything you think people would enjoy having the chance to see, please let us know ahead of time, and tell us if you will need any help getting it to the conference. If all else fails, just bring it to the con and give it to us when you arrive. Any organization or individual that wants to bring flyers to distribute during the conference may do so. You may also send your flyers to us ahead of time if you can not make it to the conference and we will distribute them for you. Left over flyers are included with information packets and orders that we send out, so if you want to send extras, go ahead. Cost ---- Unlike smaller, less informative conferences, we do not ask you to shell out hundreds of dollars just to get in the door, nor do we take your money and then make you sleep in a tent. We are maintaining the motto of "give $5 if you can", but due to the incredibly high conference room rate this year, we may step up to "$5 minimum required donation" or "give us $5 or we'll smash your head in". Five dollars is an outrageously low price compared to the suit infested industry conferences or even the new "Cons are k00l and trendy, I gotta do one too!" conferences that are charging up to $50 for admission alone. To encourage people to donate, we will once again be having our wonderless "Raffle For The Elite" during the conference. Miscellaneous Notes ------------------- Video cameras will *NOT* be allowed inside the conference room, except for the people who have received prior consent to film. Still photos are fine as each speaker will announce whether he or she minds them being taken. The minimum required donation is $5. This basically means that there is a definite cover charge this year. Everyone who attends will receive one raffle ticket with more available for an additional cost. Anyone who whines about the door cost will be severly beaten with a bat. Raffle prizes include two computer systems (one is a brand new Packard Bell 486 and the other is a complete package with monitor and printer), one flip phone and one brick phone, an autographed copy of Guy Kawasaki's "Computer Curmudgeon", "Terminal Compromise" by Winn Schwartau, 6 tapes (36 hours) of poorly edited cheesy hotel porn, an autographed 'Dazed & Confused' velvet black-light poster, subscriptions to major and not so major computer/telecommunications magazines, assorted t-shirts and videos, and numerous other items including those we don't know of yet. Although nobody will ever believe this until they see it, one of the major prizes this year is a 4x4 Jeep used by Brandon and Brenda Walsh (Jason Priestly and Shannen Dougherty) of Beverly Hills 90210. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are giving away a BRAND NEW CAR. The starting time of the conference has changed from 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. Keep this in mind when pondering whether or not to down yet another bottle of Wild Turkey or Mad Dog 20/20 on Friday night. HoHoCon '93 shirts, as well as last year's video and a new version of the I Love Feds shirt, will be available during the conference. The shirts are $15 and the video is $20. We have also added XXL for all you big folks. If you are unable to attend the conference and wish to obtain any of these items, you may either mail us for more information or send a check or money order payable to O.I.S. to the address listed below. Include $3 per order (not per item) for shipping. For those who have been asking, I do not expect it to be too cold during the conference. The weather has been fairly nice as of late. Due to a major hard disk crash, Metalland Southwest (the HoHoCon BBS) is down until further notice. Please mail us if you would like information There will be a small, all female S&M/Bondage presentation on Saturday night in one of the hospitality suites. Please bring numerous one dollar bills. Also, keep this in mind when considering purchasing the HoHoCon 93 video. Peter Shipley and John Draper have expressed interest in exchanging PGP keys with other attendess this year. If you wish to partake in this activity, bring your key along with you, preferably on a IBM/MS-DOS floppy. Those of you driving from Houston that wish to join to HoHoConvoy which leaves for Austin on Friday morning should call the HoHoCon VMB and leave a message with a contact number. By attending the conference, you are consenting to being filmed and photographed and having your ugly likeness used in any fashion I deem appropriate. The HoHoCon sluggo mail address has changed slightly. Due to mail constantly being delivered to the wrong box or being returned because slight addressing mistakes, the box number has been removed and an attention line added. If you have had problems mailing us recently, try again with the new address listed below. Correspondence -------------- If anyone requires any additional information, needs to ask any questions, wants to RSVP, wants to order anything, or would like to be added to the mailing list to receive the HoHoCon updates, you may mail us at: hohocon(a)cypher.com drunkfux(a)cypher.com cDc(a)cypher.com drunkfux(a)crimelab.com dfx(a)nuchat.sccsi.com drunkfux@5285 (WWIV Net) or via sluggo mail at: O.I.S. ATTN: HoHoCon 1310 Tulane Houston, Texas 77008-4106 We also have a VMB which includes all the conference information and is probably the fastest way to get updated reports. The number is: 713-867-9544 Those of you with net access can ftp to cypher.com and find all the HoHoCon information available in /pub/hohocon. The .gifs from previous cons are *not* currently online. Same stupid ending statement from last year to make us look good ---------------------------------------------------------------- HoHoCon '93 will be a priceless learning experience for professionals and gives journalists a chance to gather information and ideas direct from the source. It is also one of the very few times when all the members of the computer underground can come together for a realistic purpose. We urge people not to miss out on an event of this caliber, which doesn't happen very often. If you've ever wanted to meet some of the most famous people from the hacking community, this may be your one and only chance. Don't wait to read about it in all the magazines and then wish you had been there, make your plans to attend now! Be a part of what we hope to be our largest and greatest conference ever.

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RSA's phone number
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone give me RSA's Phone number?

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Unsubscribe
by Michael Ogden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After numerous attempts at cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com (but to no avail) Please unsubscribe me from this list.... Its been a hoot!

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Sun secure RPC
by Peter shipley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I remember a referance to Sun's secure RPC where the puplic key was "insecure" because the it did not use a large "key" (to few bits?). does anyone one have info on this? -Pete

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Re: Sun secure RPC
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I remember a referance to Sun's secure RPC where the puplic key was "insecure" because the it did not use a large "key" (to few bits?) . does anyone one have info on this? -Pete Yup. The modulus is too small, and the key exchange was cryptanalyze by LaMacchia and Odlyzko. See @article{nfscrack, author = {Brian A. LaMacchia and Andrew M. Odlyzko}, journal = {Designs, Codes, and Cryptography}, pages = {46--62}, title = {Computation of Discrete Logarithms in Prime Fields}, volume = {1}, year = {1991}, }

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Re: USENET on a tape, and
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com N >unsure if there is enough evidence to connect you to the crime. Or, N >let's say that they believe you have had a long-involved role in N >inciting the breaking of a law. N >-nate But inciting the breaking of the law is "as legal as church on a Sunday." The President of the US (used to?) do(oes?) it all the time. Duncan Frissell --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Surrender or Die
by an12070＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There has been some extremely strong speculation as to our identity lately. It's time for us to identify ourselves. We are Operation CRaP, the Cryptoanarchist Repression and Poison, and we have infiltrated your own conspiracy to the most sensitive levels. L.Detweiler retypes most notes to prevent style analysis and inference detection that would lead to our identities. We have infiltrated the *interesting* mailing list, have a 'bug' planted at crl.com, and a brilliant spy in one of your most sensitive development projects. Finally, we have an informant very close to one of the Big Three. We would be more specific, to prove it, but we can't do so without compromising our contacts. However, we can tell you that we got bored of your silly open meetings and stopped going to them a long time ago because they don't have anything to do with what you're *really* doing! We have been engaged since the talk on this list led us to suspicions and the discoveries of the deceptions and accomplices involved in the Wired article (Kelly,Dyer). Tentacle hunting is one of our favorite pastimes, and we have developed a variety of techniques to hunt down and kill snakes. We also have been able to detect some of the more atrocious pseudopooling. But we lost interest in the `small fries' when the smell led us to the `big macs'. In fact, we would have dropped the tentacle hunting business if it weren't so spectacularly pervasive among the Big Three. After you penetrated RISKS and continued to lie and cover up, it became clear that you will truly stop at nothing to protect your tentacles. We think that you could stop immediately, or someone could get hurt, or a truly great disaster could occur. All of our postings are careful craftings of disinformation and actual truth that are designed to elicit the maximum degree of desperate paranoia on your part. Sometimes when e.g. L.Detweiler says somewhere `I know' or 'in fact' he means `I think' and sometimes `I suspect' really means `we have long had extremely incriminating evidence on this that would convict you in any court in the country, and plan to eventually, but we're just tormenting you at the moment to see how loud you can shriek and how much you can squirm'. Our `cyberspatial' campaign is one of our more effective measures in promoting your disintegration without exposing our extremely stategic positions within your organization, but we have not yet employed the `big artillery'. We are actively destroying your conspiracy so that you will no longer sabotage the growth of cyberspace. We are quite amused to use your own guerrila sabotage tactics against your fragile excuse for 'development'. We are especially amused at your fright at our 'violent death threats'. We are particularly focused on your quasi-criminal activities. You are already aware of many signs of our countermeasures. You have the chance to give up now or face serious escalation and vastly more grisly consequences. You have 24 hours before we launch our next cyberspatial strike. We now return you to your regularly scheduled perversions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Unsubsribe
by Stefan Haag 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry for mailing this to the list, but all efforts to unsubscribe by e-mailing cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com have failed. Please unsubscribe me. Thanks, Stefan Haag.

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Signing pictures -- how hard, how long?
by Alan (Miburi-san) Wexelblat 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At the Media Lab, some people have begun discussing the ease with which digital pictures can be altered. One suggested way of ameliorating the problem is to have the original photographer append something like a PGP signature to the picture. This doesn't stop the original photographer doctoring the picture before signing it, but it does stop (I think) people downstream from undetectably doctoring the pic. And if the subject of the photo wants to claim it's been doctored, there's a clearly-responsible person's signature attached. Anyone performing an operation which changed the bits (such as cropping) would have to generate a new signature associating his name with the set of alterations. With luck, newspapers and other information deliverers who care about their reputations would not accept unsigned pictures (just as they don't take pix today without the proper releases). The end user would not likely see the signatures (though they could be delivered and checked in software invisibly to the user), but people with reputations and liability on the line would. One associated question has to do with the soon-to-be-productized next generation of high-end movie cameras. These are all-digital at the source, so the question becomes: how hard would it be to build in digital signing at the source. In theory, you'd like every frame (probably 70 fps in the ultra-high end HDTV cameras) to be signed -- how long would that take? You'd like the signature hardware built into the camera -- what would that cost? Can we come up with a relatively reliable way for the camera operator to handshake with the camera so that it's *his* signature appended to each frame? Perhaps by using some hand-held plug-in module to carry the key or to generate an unique session key each time the camera is turned on? In my opinion we're never going to get a 100% unspoofable system. But I think that a pretty straightforward signature system can get us to a level of reliability where there is at least someone somewhere we can point the finger at as the potential source of doctoring. --Alan Wexelblat, Reality Hacker, Author, and Cyberspace Bard Media Lab - Advanced Human Interface Group wex(a)media.mit.edu Voice: 617-258-9168 Page: 617-945-1842 an53607(a)anon.penet.fi The belief that enhanced understanding will necessarily stir a nation to action is one of mankind's oldest illusions.

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Re: We are ALL guests (except Eric)
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>L. Todd Masco writes >> On at least 3 of those lists, a list maintainer tried to take >> some arbitrary unilateral action and had to later back down because >> nobody was willing to put up with such shit. > >Same thing happened when Coca Cola tried to change their formula: > >Should we therefore conclude that Coke does not own coke? If my and my friends don't like coke, we can't copy their secret formula and sell something in a red can with a white curve down the side and "Coca-cola" written on it in cursive lettering. We'll be in court in about four minutes. If me and my friends don't like the cypherpunks list, we can start our own list called "cypherpunks." We can even get the list of subscribers from toad (it's public information), and subscribe them all to our list, although they might not appreciate it so much. Or, if we really had a problem with the signature-requirement, we could start up our own list and actually subscribe our list to cypherpunks, and cypherpunks to our list. Everyone on our list would get all cypherpunks mail, and as well as mail sent to our list specifically. And cypherpunks would get our list. So if you didn't want to sign, you could join our RebelCypherpunks list which would be identical to cypherpunks except you could contribute to it without signing, and others on our list would get your posts. If you did want to sign, joining our list would be identical to joining cypherpunks, since all mail from our list gets forwarded to cypherpunks anyhow. "Ownership" of a mailing list isn't a simple thing. The exact instance of majordomo running on toad and administered by Eric is not "the cypherpunks list."

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