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Measure of information-v-time (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, As a result of a completely non-crypto interest a discussion recently came up about how information worth/accuracy goes down with time. A proposal was made that I thought might be of some interest as a base for discussions of data havens and how to treat the relative worth of information. Forwarded message: > From: "Richard A. Flores" <cybernot(a)gte.net> > Subject: Re: dates in UWPs? > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:33:49 -0600 > Reply-To: traveller(a)mpgn.com > SD Mooney <dom(a)cybergoths.u-net.com> wrote: > > >Put it [the date notation] in the extended data set (as posted > >by Marc) as a single (hex) code eg M0 is 0, etc and expand > >as new milieus arise. This removes the problem of linking to > >the dating system and adding in a -tve for Milieus prior to > >M0. I mean, an Ancients set would otherwise be -200000! > > > Perhaps a simple logarithmic notation. Something like: > code > # Years since last survey > 0 0 to 3 years > 1 3 to 7 years > 2 7 to 20 years > 3 20 to 55 years > 4 55 to 148 years > 5 148 to 403 years > 6 403 to 1,097 years > 7 1,097 to 2,981 years > 8 2,981 to 8,103 years > 9 8,103 to 22,026 years > A 22,026 to 59,874 years > B 59,874 to 162,755 years > C 162,755 to 442,413 years > D 442,413 to 1,202,604 years > E 1,202,604 to 3,269,017 years > F 3,269,017 to 8,886,111 years > > This single hexadecimal # would give us a time scale beyond anyone's > estimates of possible dates on useful intelligence. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Oregon no-knock leads to conflict [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > OFFICER KILLED, 2 WOUNDED IN OREGON SHOOT-OUT > > Map of Oregon January 28, 1998 > Web posted at: 2:06 p.m. EST (1906 GMT) > > PORTLAND, Oregon (AP) -- One officer was killed and two were wounded > in Portland Tuesday as they forced their way through the door of a > home that neighbors say was stocked with high-powered weapons. > > Police with black body armor and shields surrounded the house and > wounded the lone suspect. He was taken out three hours later and > hospitalized with gunshot wounds to the chest and stomach. > > The suspect, identified as 37-year-old Steven Dons, was stripped by > officers and driven away naked and bleeding on the tailgate of an > armored SWAT van. > ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Quantum teleportation and communication
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: > Imagine a pair of photons sent in opposite directions. With different > polarizations, but "tangled." Observer A measures a polarization of "1." > > He then knows that Observer B will measure "0." > > All that is revealed is a _correlation_, a kind of structure built into the > Universe. Interesting, but not so weird as it seems. (And this is not any > kind of "action at one site instantaneously changing the state far away." > No more so than sending two envelopes out, one with a "1" inside and the > other with a "0" inside changes things instantaneously.....) > > No signal sending is possible because neither observer can "change" the > polarization of a photon. Tim May knows no more about quantum mechanics than he does about cryptography. He is wrong about the nature of the correlation between the two photons. Bell's theorem shows that if local realism (a technical concept which is hard to deny) holds, then when Observer A changes the way he performs his measurements, what Observer B sees does change. It is completely mistaken to think of the "two envelope" analogy as applying to quantum correlations. There is something much stranger going on here. Don't trust what Tim May writes. He is not only a hypocrite (complaining about chemistry discussions while adding to an equally off-topic physics thread), but a fool as well.

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More down-to-earth apps for quantum teleportation...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, On a slightly different tack, consider the application of quantum teleportation to computer construction issues related to propagation delays and multiplexing of data and control lines in limited volumes. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Can someone look this up? (fwd)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Can someone on the list look this up? > >*************************************************************** >If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does >Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, >implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. >citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their >vehicles? Very SETI/UFO-mysterious. Here's what's listed (three times) at: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/index.html [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 14, Volume 5, Parts 1200 to end] [Revised as of January 1, 1997] >From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 14CFR1211] [Page 75] TITLE 14--AERONAUTICS AND SPACE CHAPTER V--NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PART 1211--[Reserved] ---------- That's the entire entry.

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by Freakazoid 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Senate probes Microsoft [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > By SCOTT SONNER > Associated Press Writer > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Microsoft, already in trouble with the > JusticeDepartment for alleged antitrust violations, also is the target > ofa Senate Judiciary Committee investigation, a Senate aide saidtoday. > > "They are definitely investigating Microsoft," said TonyWilliams, > chief of staff to Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash. "They aremeeting with > Microsoft. They are talking with them about antitrustmatters." > > Microsoft had no immediate comment today but Williams said > thecommittee has asked Microsoft to voluntary turn over > documentsregarding its business practices. > > The committee for some time has been reviewing the activities > ofMicrosoft and other companies in regard to how antitrust laws > applyto the Internet. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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FBI tells Congress encryption "is a critical problem"
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: FBI tells Congress encryption "is a critical problem" ******** The nation's top cops aren't happy about Americans using data-scrambling software to shield their correspondence from prying eyes. Today the deputy director of the FBI told the Senate Intelligence committee that encryption "is a critical problem" that Congress needs to solve -- presumably by banning email and other programs that his G-men can't crack. (http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1385,00.html) Bob Bryant warned the committee that "the widespread use of robust non-key recovery encryption will ultimately devastate our ability to fight crime and prevent terrorism." Which is precisely what Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb) claims he's concerned about. He said "if we want to make the American people continue to feel safe," the National Security Agency and the FBI "have to be able to somehow deal with not just the complexity of signals, but increasingly encrypted signals that are impossible for us to break." Not surprisingly, the question of why the FBI and NSA should have the ability to listen in on any conversation was left unasked. --By Declan McCullagh/Washington (declan(a)well.com)

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