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Re: BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS SATURDAY 10/12 TRESSIDER HALL STANFORD
by Tom Lojewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How do I get off this list? >X-Sender: erchiu(a)diablo.cisco.com >Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:54:43 -0700 >To: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> >From: Eric Chiu <erchiu(a)cisco.com> >Subject: Re: BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS SATURDAY 10/12 TRESSIDER HALL STANFORD >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > >At 01:06 AM 10/11/96 -0700, you wrote: >>There will be a San Francisco Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting on Saturday 10/12 >>at Stanford University. The meeting location will be the tables outside >>Tressider Hall, where we've met for several previous meetings. >>The canonical time is noon for lunch and milling around, and 1pm >>for organized program. > >Bill - > >What time is the meeting? >Eric Chiu >IS-Finance and Adminstration >Tel: 408-527-1665 >Pager: 415-424-7282 > > > --------------------------------------------------------- Tom Lojewski - ProNet Consulting - lojewski(a)earthlink.net

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Re: COMMUNITY CONNEXION SUED IN FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The SPA allegedly send sameer(a)c2.net a letter, demanding, among other things, that he "agree to implement monitoring procedures to prevent similar acts of copyright infringement and report those procedures to SPA." Under federal law (Electronic Communications Privacy Act) it is illegal to monitor users' actions unless there is a specific contract between the service provider to allow such monitoring, or a court of law has issued a valid search warrant. If the SPA did in fact send such a letter, what they are doing is illegal. They have alleged that a copyright violation has occured. If that were true and they had evidence to support that claim, then under federal law, they could have asked a judge to issue a search warrant to seize the infringing material and stop its distrubution, and/or they could have subpoenaed information about the alleged infringers from C2NET. But, because they did not have any evidence of a copyright violation, they could not get a search warrant. Consequently, they have attempted an illegal search, in violation of the ECPA. They threatened the CEO of C2NET with legal action if he did not assist them with their unlawful scheme. He rightfully refused, and now they are carrying out their threatened harassment against him. The lawsuit filed by SPA mentions no specific cases of copyright infringement, because, in all likelihood, there never were any. The SPA is merely going on a fishing expedition. The SPA should not be suing Sameer - Sameer and his users should be suing the SPA.

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RE: RE: Binding cryptography - a fraud-detectible alternative to
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:48 AM 10/13/96 +0000, everheul(a)mail.rijnhaave.nl wrote: >To explain the backround of "binding cryptography" once more; with >respect to (interoperable, worldwide) security in the information >society socities/governments have to achieve two tasks: 1. >stimulating the establishment of a security structure that protects >their citizens, but which does not aid criminals. 2. Coping with the >use of encryption by criminals outside of this framework. Clearly curtains aid criminals. One way of allowing private citizens to have privacy from their neighbors while still enabling legitimate government supervision of citizen units would be to have microphones and observation cameras in every home and shop that can be activated by the government without the citizen units knowledge, thus allowing citizens full curtain enabled privacy without interfering with legitmate government security interests. This will also help the government protect the citizen unit from exposure to dangerous and harmful thoughts and ideas. Present efforts to inclulcate children with a correct outlook on life are often frustrated by subversive, racist, or anti social teachings at home. This measure could help citizen units to ensure that their speech is sensitive to the concerns of minorities and oppressed groups and to current government views. Since many shopkeepers already have such devices in their shop, there is ample precedent for this system. A good start on such a system would be have the existing shop devices run to the police instead of the shopkeeper. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Fuck Cyberpromo
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems to me that every time I send a message to cypherpunks, I get a 10k message entitled "RESPONSE FROM CYBERPROMO" from "abusebot(a)savetrees.com (Mail AutoResponder)" . It stands to reason that everyone who posts this list gets the same thing. I've certainly seen enough people here complain about it. So. The messages all say send complaints to wallace(a)cyberpromo.com . That's what I'm going to do. With every message I get from cyberpromo from now on. I would expect that if everyone on this list who gets one of these things -- which I suspect is everyone who posts here lately -- turned right around and sent it on to this wallace(a)cyberpromo.com address, those, er, caprophageous cretins, (thanks, DCF; don't sue me for copyright violations ;-)) would get the hint in a hurry. I'm starting with the one I have, and, of course, I'll also do it for the message I get from sending *this* posting. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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FLY_not
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-13-96. CoWo: "Encryption confusion" Reminded of the secret Clipper algorithm, I sought details from IBM. I asked a spokeswoman why the company hadn't just put out a nice, snappy white paper explaining its new approach to key recovery. "We spent three months trying to do that, quite literally," the spokeswoman said. "It's pretty confusing stuff, and whenever we get it on paper, we aren't happy with it." 10-12-96. InWe: "IBM Coalition May Not Fly" [Thanks, WR] "The relaxation on encryption is in many ways an extortion of industry," said Bob Gargus, president of the Atalla. "If this starts to happen for export, how many companies will be able to support two standards? I think every American should be worried." But Greg Simon, domestic policy adviser to Vice President Al Gore, said, "We're not looking for an answer that's universally popular. We're looking for a solution that's balanced and fair." 10-11-96. RDSN: "Bellcore Theory Affects Security" "Future applications, some theorize, that work on smart cards might work on your Pentium PC," says William Barr. Most smart cards use private key encryption, such as DES and RSA, making it all the more unlikely that Bellcore's theory would work on smart cards. However, the threat still should be investigated because the intention eventually is to use public key encryption for wireless communications and identification validation. "ABA: Banks Should Issue Cards" Only deposit institutions should issue smart cards, says the American Bankers Association. ----- http://jya.com/flynot.txt ftp://jya.com/pub/incoming/flynot.txt FLY_not

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(no subject)
by Jim Alexander 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[NEWS] Crypto/privacy related wire clippings (per Bill Stewart's request)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CITIBANK MINES DATA--MARKETING GOALS WARRANT PARALLEL PROCESSING Citibank wants to do more than track its credit-card holders' buying behavior. Soon, it hopes to know what they'll purchase next, and who's committing fraud. Data-mining techniques and data warehouses, part of a project called the Cards Analytical Model (CAM) slated to be completed by the end of 1997, are the tools Citicorp Credit Services in Long Island City, N.Y., hopes to use to predict future consumer patterns. To make CAM work, Citibank's IS team knew it needed a powerful mainframe-class system to handle the complex formulas and algorithms pounding away on close to 2 terabytes of data. But the mainframe wasn't an option. "We didn't want the data warehouse to impact our OLTP (online transaction processing) production," says Kevin Murphy, VP of IS for Citicorp Credit Services. "We didn't have the luxury to give up cycles and drives." Instead, Citicorp chose the IBM RS/6000 SP MPP (massively parallel processing), consisting of 116 nodes (or processors) and 7 terabytes of storage capacity. The database is DB2 Parallel Edition, also from IBM. More than 50 C++ and C developers, from Citicorp and Lockheed Martin, the systems integrator, are working on the CAM project. -- Information Week, 10/07/96 American Banker: Wednesday, October 9, 1996 Card Frontiers Citi Alumna's Consultancy to Focus on New Technologies By Jeffrey Kutler Catherine Allen, the former Citibank vice president and founding chairman of the Smart Card Forum, announced the formation of a consulting partnership, the Santa Fe Group. She is president and chief executive officer of the firm. Former Citibank technologist Ted Fine and entrepreneur Howard Sherman, who helped develop the Midas and SuperCuts franchise operations, are executive vice presidents. The aim is to help businesses understand and assimilate innovations in management and technology. The firm's base, New Mexico's capital city, is a hotbed of the study of complex adaptive systems, a scientific discipline that is crossing over into business management. Ms. Allen said she hopes to "break new ground by applying complexity theory to practical business challenges." She has scheduled a forum, "Complexity and Technology: Organizing for Innovation," in early November. Mr. Fine, who managed Citibank's global consumer systems, said the firm could help "master the challenge" of emerging technologies like the Internet and smart cards. Ms. Allen had been developing the business since she left Citibank early this year. Santa Fe Group has been working on several consulting assignments, but didn't begin widely advertising its services until mid-September. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Service pays users (sort of) to read commercial e-mail
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From time to time we've discussed the economics of paying per-message costs for E-mail, and/or systems where advertisers pay users to read their messages. Someone seems to have set up a system like that. It's at <http://www.aristotle.org>. They seem to be using voter registration as an is-a-real-person credential. (Their idea seems to be that they'll charge commercial (paper) mailers less than it costs to print & mail junk mail, deliver it (and some of the $) to users, and keep the remainder of the $ themselves. They seem to be sensitive about "reading things you're not really interested in", which strikes me as amusing, given all of the crap that people seem to mail me without special regard for whether or not it's interesting. Advertisers seem happy enough to spend $.40 to mail me their stuff, so what's the harm in spending $.30 where I get $.10 of it, regardless of whether or not I ignore it as quickly as I do paper junk mail? They're saving $.10, and I'm making $.10, and we're not wasting paper. Who's being harmed? As I read their terms & conditions, they don't start paying you until Dec 1997, and you need to accumulate $100 worth of credit to get paid. Also, it only seems to be interested in people from California at the moment. (perhaps that's the only state they've got voter info on so far.) -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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RFC2015 on MIME Security with PGP (fwd)
by P. J. Ponder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 14:18:26 PDT From: RFC Editor <rfc-ed(a)ISI.EDU> To: rfc-dist(a)ISI.EDU Cc: rfc-ed(a)ISI.EDU Subject: RFC2015 on MIME Security with PGP A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 2015: Title: MIME Security with Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) Author: M. Elkins Date: October 1996 Mailbox: P.O. Box 92957 - M1/102 Los Angeles, CA 90009-2957 Pages: 8 Characters: 14,223 Updates/Obsoletes: None URL: ftp://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc2015.txt This document describes how Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) can be used to provide privacy and authentication using the Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) security content types described in RFC1847. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the "Internet Official Protocol Standards" (STD 1) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. Requests to be added to or deleted from the IETF distribution list should be sent to IETF-REQUEST(a)CNRI.RESTON.VA.US. Requests to be added to or deleted from the RFC-DIST distribution list should be sent to RFC-DIST-REQUEST(a)ISI.EDU. Details on obtaining RFCs via FTP or EMAIL may be obtained by sending an EMAIL message to rfc-info(a)ISI.EDU with the message body help: ways_to_get_rfcs. For example: To: rfc-info(a)ISI.EDU Subject: getting rfcs help: ways_to_get_rfcs Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to admin(a)DS.INTERNIC.NET. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. Submissions for Requests for Comments should be sent to RFC-EDITOR(a)ISI.EDU. Please consult RFC 1543, Instructions to RFC Authors, for further information. Joyce K. Reynolds and Mary Kennedy USC/Information Sciences Institute ... Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the RFCs.

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extortion via digital cash
by scottb＠aca.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have been reading numerous threads on digital cash, and I have some questions I would like discussed. currently when someone does extortion (kiddnapping too), they have two choices; 1-pick up the cash personally (or via a stooge) 2-transfer the funds via bank Both ideas are bad, in that you stand a good chance at getting caught. I was wondering, what if you demanded payment via Ecash, through nym servers, aliases, etc. From what I understand, it is just like cash, ie: no record of transaction, but you get the added bonus of not having to meet the other party-like a fund transfer. Once you have your 1,000,000 Ecash, you could dump it on a disk, and close your internet account (unless you really really trust your privacy technology). And I also think that you would have the option to cash this into real funds at either the Mark Twain bank, or likely somewhere in the Caymen Islands (maybe through those online gambling houses). I am hoping that this will spark some discussion, and maybe slow down the dlv, TM spam war. Also, I was only wondering about this for mere discussion reasons :) /sb

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