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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Theodor.SCHLICKMANN(a)BXL.DG13.cec.be > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:12:37 +0200 > Subject: Re: "We have to destroy privacy in order to protect privacy" > What is privacy? The ability to store or archive material without worry of it being distributed without prior permission. The right to tell somebody you won't answer their question or include them in the dicussion, to the extend of asking them to go someplace else so they can't overhear or grab the dialogue. Ultimately it's a societal behavior that is exemplified by citizens not obtaining material that is relevant or related to you without involving you from the beginning. > Although this is a matter of law, only political > strategies are executed. Law == Politics > Protection of privacy turns out to be the most important > human rights issue in this information technology age. Um, actualy Writ of Habeas Corpus is the most important right. Privacy and everything else are moot if your sitting in a jail cell with no hope of release or trial. > Following several articles in American newspapers, > privacy at the work place is in great danger. There isn't any privacy at the workspace. When you hire on to an employer *AND* agree to work on their premises you voluntarily give this up. It is the same situation as if you hire a kiddy-watcher and you video-tape the activity for your protection. If you really want privacy protection in the workplace then insist that detailed limits are included in any contract (pretty much unheard of). ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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UK police chase crooks on CCTV
by Tim Griffiths 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Associated Press via The Wash. Post, Oct 17, 1998 http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/searches/mainsrch.htm#ap Chasing Crooks on Closed Circuit TV http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981017/V000263-101798-idx .ht ml LONDON (AP) -- An ``intelligent'' computer system that uses closed circuit television to match faces in a crowd to mug shots of known criminals is likely to become London's latest weapon against crime. Scotland Yard and a local council have installed the $100,000 CCTV system on a trial basis in Newham, a poor district in London's East End. Newspapers reported Thursday that the computer system, called Mandrake, is linked to 144 CCTVs in Newham's shopping centers, railway stations and car parks and can scan up to 150 faces at a time and compare them with a database of criminals stored on a computer at the council's headquarters. If there is a match between a face in the crowd and a known criminal, the computer alerts a monitoring team in the town hall, who in turn alert the police. Civil liberties groups said they were alarmed by the new system, but police defended its use. ``The only people entered on to the system will be convicted criminals who, through our intelligence, we believe are habitually committing crimes in the area,'' The Daily Mail quoted police Chief Superintendent Dave Armond as saying. ``If people are not committing crime they have nothing to fear, but if they are among the small minority who are, the message is, 'We are watching out for you.''' The newspaper reported that police initially will use the system to concentrate on catching robbery suspects. In the future, however, it could be used to search crowds for hooligans who stir up trouble at soccer matches. CCTV's developer, Software and Systems International, says the system is accurate enough to discern people hiding behind make-up or eye glasses. And growing a beard won't help either, the company says. Britain has 150,000 close circuit television cameras. While most Britons appear happy the devices are being used to tackle crime, civil liberties groups oppose both the cameras and the facial matching. ``The accuracy of facial mapping like this is limited. You only need a handful of photographs of celebrities to see how different the same people can look in different pictures,'' the Mail quoted Liz Parratt, spokeswoman for Liberty, a civil rights group, as saying. ``Even if you did have a system which worked, it would have to be regulated very carefully to protect people's privacy.'' \ Copyright 1998 The Associated Press -- Tim Griffiths griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il Center for Submicron Research http://tim01.ex.ac.uk Weizmann Institute of Science (972)-8-934-2736 Rehovot 76100 Israel PGP Public key available - finger tim(a)tim01.ex.ac.uk The real value lies not in what I say or do, but in your reaction to it. -DF

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Women cannot commit rape? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:19:57 +0200 > From: Tim Griffiths <griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il> > Subject: Women cannot commit rape? > French Supreme Court rules that women cannot commit rape > "The material element of the crime of rape is only realized if the > perpetrator > commits the act of sexual penetration on the person of the victim," it > said in > its judgment. Can a man get a STD from a women? Do men not have the same civil liberties and concepts of personal privacy that women do? Are we now faced with the ultimate in sex discrimination - having two sets of laws that are specific to sex? Rape is about an invasion of personal physical privacy. More big brother spin doctor bullshit. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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cypherpunks archives, books
by Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could someone post the address of the current cypherpunks archives again? Everything seems to be missing or out of date. Also, what's the name of that book... The Crystal Palace? Maybe I'm confused. Thanks for the info. --THE LIE

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Biztravel.com Free $50 Gift
by Member Benefits 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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The Trouble With Harry
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone....

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The Trouble With Harry (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 22 Oct 1998 00:20:03 -0000 > From: HyperReal-Anon <nobody(a)sind.hyperreal.art.pl> > Subject: The Trouble With Harry > John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: > > >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, > >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? > > tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have > no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then > toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone.... Hold on hear a second, let's get the facts straight. I am NOT being accussed of anything. I have been asked to act as a witness for the prosecution (not explicitly the target thereof). Unfortunately for the prosecutions case, I'm not a witness to anything relevant. If I were aware of some kook running around building bombs with the intention of using them on people, their property, or animals I'd be the first to turn their nutty butts in. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Women cannot commit rape?
by Kevin Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>French Supreme Court rules that women cannot commit rape > >Copyright © 1998 Nando.net >Copyright © 1998 Reuters News Service > >PARIS (October 21, 1998 06:38 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - >France's >Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday that women are unable to commit the >crime of >rape because they cannot sexually penetrate men. This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, technically speaking, their is no crime of "rape" just varying degrees and types of "criminal sexual assault". I'm suprised that hasn't trickled down to france yet. Rape is defined as forcing someone to have sexual intercourse. It doesn't take much imagination to build an argument that you can't force a man to have sex, after all he had to get aroused. The advantage of criminal sexual assualt is that it side steps these kind of issues by greatly broadening the crime to basicly forcing/manipulating someone to engae in any kind of sexual activity. ___________________________________________________________________________ "DOS/WIN based computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others, are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form." - New York Times -Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott <mailto:k-elliott@wiu.edu>

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Recent biometrics discussion
by Tanya D. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, A member told me about the discussion of biometrics going on recently. I'm doing a research project on biometrics and would be really interested in reading through those postings. Could someone please point me to the archive where I can find recent postings about biometrics? Thanks. Tanya -- Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous! Do not tremble or be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. Josh. 1:9

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FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:47:40 -0500 (CDT) > From: Carlos Macedo Gomes <gomes(a)www.navigo.com> > Subject: FW: rules of engagement (fwd) > discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever > happended to the Classified Ad project?? It was going along fine until I made the mistake of asking when.... I'd offered a couple of dates, nobody ever commented on them. I can still cover Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, El Paso. A single paper in each city. I'd say do it like Thanksgiving Day or Christmas. I need 1 months warning. It might be kind of cool to put regular ads in with various comments like the 1st Amendment, or questions regarding civil liberties, famous quotes, etc. Just sign it, Cypherpunks ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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