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Re: Anyone have the complete info on CP list alternatives?
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:28 PM 2/17/97 -0800, you wrote: :anomalies in the new system, [now the big words!] :given the haste in which they must initiate a new distributed :mailing list system. : On the other hand, they may all be godless communists, seeking :to twist our fragile minds to do their bidding. (Much like myself) : :Toto I recant. You ARE nuts! Alec Niice post. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 Comment: Message PGP 2.6.2. encrypted. Public key available on request or from keyservers. iQCVAgUBMwkMFiKJGkNBIH7lAQHNKQP/dDV5v6wREV37IPkaJTfQqL35c4MyFNfK t4/KmgneKmzGX9uqGzd8Z6kCeRk5vBhAbrhVsqaOhvZouakj2YWe1JbRZWmy+gNR ohY2NERNi0Xm5S1PUrwjQAJutFlw2VV+CZ4GYa/0IV3Fn++GzeZFENbOt6zBTkEZ PsWVhjvoRPU= =3ZEn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Anyone have the complete info on CP list alternatives?
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark M. wrote: > - Newsgroups alt.cypherpunks, alt.cypherpunks.announce, > alt.cypherpunks.social, alt.cypherpunks.technical have been created. ... Along with several others. > - The distributed list is still forming and so far consists of > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com, cypherpunks(a)ssz.com, and others of which I > do not know the location. A mail<->news gateway is planned, but not > yet in place, between the distributed list and the newsgroup(s). It is in place. It feeds from cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. Bryan Reece reece(a)taz.nceye.net runs the posting bot. taz.nceye.net is an open newsserver offering several cypherpunks newsgroups. I am not yet sure if taz is now a part of the mainstream usenet, that is, it may not be connected to the Big USENET. > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com is receiving messages from > cypherpunks-unedited. I assume this means that the other hosts part > of the distributed list are also receiving cypherpunks-unedited > messages. Correct. > - Lance Cottrell is running another list (cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net) that is > not yet part of the distributed list. It is also receiving feed from > toad.com. I will subscribe to it. Now, it is important to realize that Lance's machine is probably much better connected than mine. Once we get connected with him, you may be better off reading cypherpunks from cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net. If you su-bsc-ribe to cypherpunks(a)algebra.com, it may take longer for articles to reach you. > If you don't want to miss any messages, then you should subscribe to both > cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net and one of the distributed list nodes. Since both > are receiving cypherpunks-unedited, you can safely unsubscribe from > cypherpunks-unedited, -flames, or the "main" list. Since these lists have > overlapping content, you should delete duplicates. I still think that it is a good idea to do nothing for several days and wait until the distributed network picks up cyberpass. Then, subscribe to any node of your liking. - Igor.

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Re: The Science Generations, II
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:52 PM 2/17/97 -0700, drose(a)AZStarNet.com wrote: >Yea, (as D. Thorn might babble, if I understand the shards of his stuff >quoted in the posts of those who should know better) when I was a young >fellow, the guy at the local chemical supply co. asked my mom, "Lady, do you >have any idea what metallic sodium and red fuming nitric acid and Willy >Ley-strength Hydrogen Peroxide are all about?" Yes, those nosy shopkeepers should really keep it to themselves! I remember at about age 14 being pissed because I'd been sold _10%_ nitric acid, when I was expecting the 70% stuff! Within a few weeks I was buying direct from his supplier! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Message-Id / mail2news gateways.
by Anil Das 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is for all the volunteers who are working on setting up the distributed cypherpunks mailing lists. 1) Please preserver Message-Ids while resending messages. The Message-Id is intended to be unique to a message and can be used to reject duplicates. Usenet software in particular, detects duplicates by Message-Id. 2) In response to Igor's query, I would very much like at least on of the distributed lists to be set up such that messages sent there will *not* be gatewayed to Usenet. As I mentioned, I will not post to Usenet with my real email address, and if all lists get gatewayed to alt.cypherpunks, I have to set up fake email headers to mail to the lists also. If at least one of the lists can gaurantee that it won't be gatewayed to Usenet, I don't have to do that, and as a nice bonus, Prof. Froomkin can continue to be active on cypherpunks. This can be achieved by the list software adding an "X-Post-to-Usenet: No" or some similar header to every message it sends out. Also a header, such as X-List: should be set to indicate under which mailing list a message first entered the system. This will be worthless unless all the list servers honor these headers. Thanks. -- Anil Das

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Re: The Science Generations, II
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Jeremiah A Blatz wrote: > You neglect things like the interstate commerce provision, which means > that if it crosses state lines, the feds can regualte it. In addition, > the court (in its infinite wisdom), decided that "the people" meant > the states, then the people. So, as long as it isn't meantioned in the > constitution, the states can do whatever they want. The 10th amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." This sounds pretty clear to me. Theoretically, the states can do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on the rights of the people. The 9th amendment protects all rights not explicitly stated in the constitution. The 5th and 14th amendments both protect people from losing life, liberty, or property without due process. I believe that the 14th was used as justification for Roe vs. Wade, since the court decided that abortion is a liberty and any law forbidding it deprives a woman of liberty without due process. Of course, in practice, we know that the situation is much different... Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMwkjwSzIPc7jvyFpAQE9QwgAj+op9T6AT858eS89RyAiYnwP02APgr3I 1ZkguMV5JiJWOKrhXu54/k7sVam4sxCftvC3Poon9K4yCQ+rtTUL3bF81+ppdXMr cCfEMU5RNZVDU5sddR5nWkOHagXFatSYK6v7IUqYfquWgq1/9m6NQIO25+RleHmv nz9ZjaeWdljPx0SWjg77Ul8/8fJkNn/sHn3rTBUdNeGBLkipAY82vv4hZFC2A8uf zAjbD+GEYl4Vbu+GpOPkb+RDkECZ762zVQ2DX4yHeGq58Ejs/a4+XHXT6MqYs8Xy phnluL347m/OrDCPekCT4nOgt0zHGoDQ8PYinxbDUjxLHC7rOzKe9g== =5iIy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PDAs as alternatives to smart cards?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:49 PM 2/17/97 -0800, Steve Schear <azur(a)netcom.com> wrote: >With the widespread adoption of an industry standard IR link between PDA >type devices, networks and PCs might this not present an opportunity for >their use as more user-configurable and application agile financial and >communiation privacy instruments? PDAs are becoming somewhat widespread among technical and sales people, but there are a lot of different varieties and horsepowers, and some are generally programmable with near-free-ware while others aren't. Newtons have horsepower, but aren't that common; most of the others have 8086en or so, including the easily-programmable DOS HPs, the cool objecty Psion OS, a few different GeoWorks based systems (is Pilot one of those?), etc. Then there are a huge number of totally non-programmable Rolodex/Calendar widgets. Any of the interesting ones cost too much to go after the retail market, and they're owned by people who can use email. For the broad market you want a <=$10 device, and stores grumble if you charge more than $200 for a really complete reader system - which means smartcards. Perhaps once pager capability in PDAs becomes widespread and cheap, the retail/wholesale pharmaceutical trading set could get interested :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Raph
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have found it convenient to retrieve Raph's list off c'punks, as opposed to fingering. I do hope this service to the community will continue on one forum or another. Thanks. Alec -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 Comment: Message PGP 2.6.2. signed/encrypted. Public key available on request or from keyservers. iQCVAgUBMwnJQCKJGkNBIH7lAQFRHgQAtLqCK9vtYgLVp0bU9wSjUoiZ7Wx3ade6 PcQQtOeNSxYy7n5i6qQuAaOTg1rvStOBEYpIDnWHo7p8In1fQE2v0QaOMbYm60QG Kc/CsoHAvq74PHN6/QdQ6JatyzSVsHL5r7hBEJZQGSFr2DWdW7xTclpqSUtviHHB X6HtqBfk5Pc= =cIv9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Cypherpunks FAQ
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:12:19 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks FAQ > > Toto wrote: > > ISP_Ratings wrote: > > > Yes--and given the role Dr. Vulis has played in this matter > > > it would be most appropriate for him to write an FAQ (although > > > I personally ignore most FAQs). > > >Perhaps it would be more appropriate for the good doctor to write a FUQs. > > Why not do it like the Declaration of Independence? A primary author > puts the basic document together, and other persons with expertise in > other important areas add to it, then it gets circulated on the list > for comments and suggestions. > > "Other areas" not normally addressed in these kinds of documents > should include subscribers' awareness that the crypto lists are > a prime target of attention from federal agencies, et al, and > that much of the material posted could be pure disinformation. > I do not think that any Federal Agency would be interested in any group so undisciplined as cypherpunks.

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Re: European crypto export policy
by Jeff A. Hale 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:39 AM 2/18/97 +0100, you (Ulf M=F6ller) wrote: >Swedish Datateknik 97-02 features an article about how COCOM/ Wassenaar >Arrangement effects Swedish crypto exports. > >I wonder if someone whose Swedish is better than mine could summarize >the article? It is at http://www.et.se/datateknik/arkiv/97-02/5.html > >Datateknik 97-01 reports about pressure for crypto regulations from >the US, but also from the EU and OECD [the OECD turned out not to >endorse key escrow shortly after the article was published]. The >Swedish government is currently collecting facts and opinions; so far >it remains an open question which standpoint it will take. England is >preparing a law similar to the French one, while there are policy >discussions similar to the Swedish going on in Germany and Denmark, >says G=F6ran Axelsson, Sweden's representative in the EU's IT security >body. The Japanese are not far behind. Using the emotional -- and often successful -- pretext of "anti-terrorism," (the subway gassing allegedly committed by the "Aum Cult"), the Japanese Ministry of Justice (JMOJ) is about to propose a sweeping new wiretapping/electronic eavesdropping statut= e -- which insiders predict will sail through the Diet (national legislature)=

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Re: Anyone have the complete info on CP list alternatives?
by Alan Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bryan Reece wrote: >> obviously the message will flood the majordomo net before it floods >> the real usenet unless something is seriously broken). I replied: > Why is it obvious that mail propagation will be faster than news > propagation? News propagation times of small numbers of seconds are > not at all uncommon. Sorry, I misunderstood the earlier message. I thought that it referred to news propagation between a small set of hosts versus mail propagation between the same small set of mail/news hosts, and I did not see why it was obvious that mail would be faster than news. But actually the earlier message refered to news propagation over the whole planet versus mail propagation between a small set of hosts, in which case of course news will be slower. --apb (Alan Barrett)

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