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Re: CFS and Linux
by Alex Strasheim 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> AT&T's refusal to support CFS and other so-called "secure" software > under Linux is typical and to be expected. This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen. First of all, AT&T lets Matt distribute CFS and other crypto related tools from an AT&T site. In the current legal environment, I think that's a good show of "support". Second of all, Matt has put in a lot of effort to make CFS usable to Linux users. I have personally gotten help on more than one occaision from Matt with CFS and Linux, and I've seen him answer lots of questions on the CFS users' mail list. Here's an example: when I first started using CFS, the documents were formatted with a macro that wasn't included with the most popular linux distributions. I pointed this out to Matt and took the time to rewrite the docs using a different macro, so Linux users would be able to read it. I'll bet he's done dozens of fixes to make CFS run better on Linux boxes. What's more, Matt recently took the trouble to set up a Linux box for the sole purpose of testing CFS on it. I love Linux and I use it, but the fact that everyone has a slightly different distribution makes it a tough platform to support. As Matt's already pointed out, most of the problems that people have with Linux and CFS seem to stem from a broken rpgen that come with some, but not all, distributions of Linux. Finally, as Perry pointed out, neither Matt nor AT&T owe us anything, so it would be impossible to find fault with Matt even if he hadn't done any work to support Linux. Lots of people run CFS on Linux. I'd even be willing to bet that Linux is the most popular CFS platform, judging from the traffic on the list. If you can't run CFS on your Linux box, you might want to consider the possibility that you don't know what you're doing.

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bashing (fwd)
by fc＠all.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From fc Sun Dec 24 19:04:04 1995 Subject: bashing To: cp(a)proust.suba.com (Alex Strasheim) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 19:04:04 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199512242356.RAA03010(a)proust.suba.com> from "Alex Strasheim" at Dec 24, 95 05:56:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1253 > > 1 - You must top slandering people. > > 2 - You must stop using anonymity as a way to avoid being responsible. > > No. > > You must learn how to decide whether or not you want to believe something > by looking it's plausibility and where it came form, and when you do learn > that you need to realize that other people know how to do it as well. I'm all for believing or not believing based on your understandings, but this is not the same as slander or irresponsible behavior hidden behind false identity. I'm also in favor of anonymity, but not for the purpose of slander. There are a lot of good and valid reasons for anonymity, and I believe that it is a basic requirement of freedom, but we will lose the ability to be anonymous if enough of us abuse the freedom. > Don't blame anonymity for your own or others' inability to think critically. I don't and didn't blam anonymity for this. I blame people who hide behind anonymity as a way to be irresponsible without apparent recourse. Evaluating statements and giving your opinion is not the same as making insluting, untrue, and crude remarks about individuals. -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net/ Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236 -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net/ Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236

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ROS_pig
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

12-25-95. NYPaper: "Fear Of Freedom: The urge to censor persists." Anthony Lewis column. The very essence of the on-line world is freedom. The effect of the "indecent" prohibition of the telecom bill will be to reduce all users of cyberspace to the level of children. That is exactly what Justice Felix Frankfurter found unconstitutional writing for the Supreme Court in 1957, about a Michigan law that banned sales to anyone of material unsuitable for children. "Surely," he wrote, "this is to burn the house to roast the pig." "Coming Soon to Computers Everywhere, a World's Fair." John Markoff. In an era when the Internet has become synonymous with commercialism and instant fortunes, Carl Malamud's commitment to public service has set him apart. Mr. Malamud maintains that there are still two ways to build the Internet. One is the high-stakes high-visibility route of initial public offerings in the stock market, the money-raising approach being pursued by people like Netscape Communication's founders, Jim Clark and Mark Andreeson. The other route, Mr. Malamud maintains, is by soliciting funds and building viable public works projects that benefit the common good. 2 in 1: ROS_pig (13k)

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail, which is available at: ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/premail/premail-0.33a.tar.gz For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"bsu-cs"} = "<nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu> cpunk hash ksub"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"ideath"} = "<remailer(a)ideath.goldenbear.com> cpunk hash ksub reord"; $remailer{"hacktic"} = "<remailer(a)utopia.hacktic.nl> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"rahul"} = "<homer(a)rahul.net> cpunk pgp hash filter"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"ford"} = "<remailer(a)bi-node.zerberus.de> cpunk pgp hash ksub ek"; $remailer{"hroller"} = "<hroller(a)c2.org> cpunk pgp hash latent ek"; $remailer{"vishnu"} = "<mixmaster(a)vishnu.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut ek ksub reord"; $remailer{"robo"} = "<robo(a)c2.org> cpunk hash mix"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"spook"} = "<remailer(a)valhalla.phoenix.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{"rmadillo"} = "<remailer(a)armadillo.com> mix cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"wmono"} = "<wmono(a)valhalla.phoenix.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut"; $remailer{"shinobi"} = "<remailer(a)shinobi.alias.net> cpunk mix hash latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub"; $remailer{"gondolin"} = "<mix(a)remail.gondolin.org> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{"tjava"} = "<remailer(a)tjava.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'gondonym'} = '<alias(a)nym.gondolin.org> alpha pgp'; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 robo hroller alpha) (gondolin gondonym) (flame hacktic replay) (alumni portal) (vishnu spook wmono) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: all of the "ek" tags have been verified correct. Apologies to those who were inconvenienced by incorrect "ek" tags in the past. Last update: Mon 25 Dec 95 6:45:54 PST remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hacktic remailer(a)utopia.hacktic.nl ***+*+****** 7:48 99.98% c2 remail(a)c2.org -+++++++.-++ 1:29:45 99.96% replay remailer(a)replay.com ******+***** 9:47 99.95% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com .#**+####### 11:36 99.94% bsu-cs nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu #*#-####*#+# 12:47 99.91% rmadillo remailer(a)armadillo.com ++ +++++++++ 39:31 99.89% shinobi remailer(a)shinobi.alias.net ++--_.--++++ 4:25:47 99.88% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu -+*++##+###* 15:14 99.86% ford remailer(a)bi-node.zerberus.de .-+++++-+-++ 4:08:57 99.85% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net ***+**++.-- 5:58:46 99.75% hroller hroller(a)c2.org -##+####.-## 47:58 99.75% spook remailer(a)valhalla.phoenix.net * *+* **.--+ 3:44:23 99.69% vishnu mixmaster(a)vishnu.alias.net #*++*** --- 1:19:08 99.68% tjava remailer(a)tjava.com # :23 99.48% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +-+++____.- 20:55:03 99.27% extropia remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com -.-.-----. 14:54:08 99.16% wmono wmono(a)valhalla.phoenix.net * *+* * ** 13:17 98.94% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com ----- --++- 3:09:50 98.65% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi _....-.--- * 13:40:31 98.35% gondolin mix(a)remail.gondolin.org --____.-*+ 18:46:33 96.41% rahul homer(a)rahul.net *#++***-+##* 21:00 99.97% ecafe cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org -####**-# 27:03 65.05% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: Bidzos on C-Span 2
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:41 PM 12/25/95, John Young wrote: >If you care, Jim is smoothly hawking a beautiful world of >easy-going crypto on C-Span 2, at least in NYC at 5:35 PM. Actually, he did a pretty good job of towing the er, party line. Lots of good opportunities for analogical heavy lifting in arguments with statists. "Suppose you had a very strong door which protected your whole house and made it inviolate. Suppose then the government then wanted to have copy of your door keys on the off-chance you turn into a crack dealer someday...", etc. Except for the fact that he wants Uncle to protect his patents, that is... ;-). This was done on December 8 at the Commonwealth Club in SFO. Were there c'punks there? The questions sounded like it... He also said something about some kind of magic badge with biometric/PK software which would allow you to work anywhere there was a network connection. Reminiscent of our discussions about Xerox PARC's ubiquitous computing stuff, Gerry O'Neil's 2081, etc. I feel a rant coming on about this "information toaster" stuff, Metcalfe's fight with Alsop in Infoworld, etc. Guess I'll start it tomorrow. Take cover everybody... Merry Christmas! Cheers, Bob ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 958-3971 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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Bidzos on C-Span 2
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you care, Jim is smoothly hawking a beautiful world of easy-going crypto on C-Span 2, at least in NYC at 5:35 PM. At a session in San Francisco, probably a recording. Jingle jangle.

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Bidzos Coda
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Bidzos show was recorded 12/8/95 at the Commonwealth Club in SF. It finished here at about 5:45 PM. Only caught a piece. Jim was answering written questions about a range of crypto and Internet security issues from the audience. Among other things, he says they're working on an encryption program "closely tied to the OS of portables, to protect the data if the machine is lost or stolen." He also said, "don't throw tomatoes," but they're doing something with "private key escrow" for those who want to provide access to their encrypted material in case of death or other emergency. Maybe some other idle sinner saw more, or was at the realtime tomato-chucker.

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(cpx) Re: Bidzos on C-Span 2
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:41 PM 12/25/95, John Young wrote: >If you care, Jim is smoothly hawking a beautiful world of >easy-going crypto on C-Span 2, at least in NYC at 5:35 PM. Actually, he did a pretty good job of towing the er, party line. Lots of good opportunities for analogical heavy lifting in arguments with statists. "Suppose you had a very strong door which protected your whole house and made it inviolate. Suppose then the government then wanted to have copy of your door keys on the off-chance you turn into a crack dealer someday...", etc. Except for the fact that he wants Uncle to protect his patents, that is... ;-). This was done on December 8 at the Commonwealth Club in SFO. Were there c'punks there? The questions sounded like it... He also said something about some kind of magic badge with biometric/PK software which would allow you to work anywhere there was a network connection. Reminiscent of our discussions about Xerox PARC's ubiquitous computing stuff, Gerry O'Neil's 2081, etc. I feel a rant coming on about this "information toaster" stuff, Metcalfe's fight with Alsop in Infoworld, etc. Guess I'll start it tomorrow. Take cover everybody... Merry Christmas! Cheers, Bob -------------------------------------------------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Making Commerce Convenient (tm) - Oki Advanced Products - Marlboro, MA Value-Checker(tm) smart card reader= http://www.oki.com/products/vc.html Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk See your name here! Be a charter sponsor for e$pam, e$, and Ne$ws! e-mail rah(a)shipwright.com for details... -------------------------------------------------

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Re: New Release of CFS
by dxm＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Matt Blaze writes: > [Perhaps this isn't the best time for me to post this here; apologies > in advance if this sparks another flame fest. -matt] > > Source code for the latest version (release 1.3.2) of CFS, the Cryptographic > File System, is now available upon request for research and experimental > use in the US and Canada. Dear Mr. Blaze: As you seem to have noticed, a few subscribers to cypherpunks are more interested in exploring their own personal psychopathologies than in the creation and spread of strong cryptography. Please do not feel that you need to apologize for their actions, and especially please do not restrict your actions and/or posts because of them. To correct merely one of the many mis-statements made by these people desperate to draw attention to themselves, the Linux community is NOT interested in 'out-of-the-box'. If we were interested in 'out-of-the- box', we would be running OSs that COME in a box. What we ARE interested in is source (or, if source isn't available, at least 128 bit keys). If you provide source, we'll port it. It's that simple. While support is nice, and appreciated, it is NOT NEEDED. We can take care of ourselves. So, on behalf of the Linux community and those of us running CFS, thank you very much for your contribution. And please don't let a couple of idiots like these lower your opinion of the over 1 million Linux users who appreciate your efforts and support. -- Deus Ex Machina dxm(a)alpha.c2.org

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Assault presses with cop killer computers.
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While channel surfing around 6PM today on Christmas day, I saw President Clinton announce the grave international threat posed by terrorists, drug dealers and money launderers wielding computers (Only three horsemen -- he left out child pornographers.) He was immediately followed by an Expert In Television Expertise, who told us that computers were getting more and more powerful, and doing more and more things, and that Something Must Be Done. The Expert did not actually use the phrase "The first Amendment was never intended to protect modern assault presses using cop killer computers", but that was the message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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