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Re: Fw: Advance Bank launches ecash
by Wayne Clerke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >>>>>Thank you for being so patient. ecash is now available from our web site >>>>>at: http//www.advance.com.au/ecash > >>Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: >>>No mention of "untraceable" or "anonymous" or "Chaum." And no mention of >>>"Digicash," except in your (Wayne's) introduction; Digicash is, rightly or >>>wrongly, a trademark of the company with the same name. > >If there _wasn't_ any mention of those, there certainly is now :-) >The right-hand frame, after the pictures of PCs and dollar signs and logos, >has copyright notices, trademark notice for "ecash", and the addresses >and URLs for Advance Bank Australia Ltd. and Digicash BV in the Netherlands. > >And the "Support" page has the following URLs: > For more ecash info, refer to the DigiCash Web Site: > Who are DigiCash? > Digital Signatures and Smart Cards > Numbers that are money > It seems I haven't been paying enough attention lately ... just visited www.digicash.com and discovered Advance is only one of several new banks offering (or about to offer ecash). > ># Thanks; Bill ># Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com ># You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp ># (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.) > Regards, Mail: <a href=mailto:wclerke@emirates.net.ae>Wayne Clerke</a> PGP key ID: AEB2546D FP: D663D11E DA19D74F 5032DC7E E001B702 PGP mail welcome. Voice: +971 506 43 48 53 If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.

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Re: (Fwd) New crypto bill clears committee
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: fma66.fma.com: majordomo set sender to owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net using -f X-Orig-From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> X-e$pam-source: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net X-Sender: rah(a)atanda.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:00:33 -0400 To: espam(a)intertrader.com, e$pam <e$pam(a)atanda.com> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Re: (Fwd) New crypto bill clears committee Sender: owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list --------------------------------------------------------------------- owner-cryptography(a)c2.org using -f X-Sender: rah(a)atanda.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:15:58 -0400 To: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Re: (Fwd) New crypto bill clears committee Cc: cryptography(a)c2.net Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net > At 7:56 AM -0400 6/20/97, Adam Shostack wrote: > I plan to spend a substaintial portion of my day explaining to the > large companies I consult with that this is a very bad thing, and they > should be opposing its advance. Said syllogistically, Digital Commerce *is* Financial Cryptography, Financial Cryptography *is* Strong Cryptography, therefore, Digital Commerce *is* Strong Cryptography. and therefore, No Strong Cryptography, no Digital Commerce. Instructions for the use of this syllogism: Invite 'em to a presentation. Use one proposition per slide, with nothing on the slide but the proposition, centered vertically and horizontally. Don't make handouts. Put up the first slide, and defend the proposition. Repeat until last slide. Ask for questions. The bill is in the mail. ;-). QED, RAH ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- Like e$? Help pay for it! See <http://www.shipwright.com/beg.html> Or, for e$/e$pam sponsorship, <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Fw: Advance Bank launches ecash
by Wayne Clerke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Seen this? Another bank braving the Digicash ecash waters: ---- From: Edward Breese x1364 <edwardb(a)executive.advance.com.au> To: ecash-merchant <ecash-merchant(a)advance.com.au> Date: Friday, 20 June 1997 11:50 Subject: Advance Bank launches ecash > >Hi everyone, > >Thank you for being so patient. ecash is now available from our web site >at: http//www.advance.com.au/ecash > >You will find plenty of information to help you set up your ecash purse and >configure a web site to accept ecash. You can download our latest Internet >Banking program (version 6), the ecash purse software and ecash merchant >software. You will also find some examples of real merchants who accept >ecash. > >We will be launching a shopping mall in the coming weeks and invite you to >become involved either as a user, merchant or systems integrator. > >We are also keen to get your feedback so please if you have time fill in the >feedback forms on the web. > >Have fun setting up your shops, > >Thanks, Edward >

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Mail server down :(
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, My ISP is in the process of switching backbone providers and as a consenquence all my mail is bouncing. This more than likely will not be fixed until Monday. Thanks, - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM6q7SY9Co1n+aLhhAQFWNwP+Mg19u/wKUBH/CkO2VimaIurS8AI5GR7J G7EU4dysnq3+yx5BU6vtGpkMVNLRjv8t5Q5BuT1jMfkXn5NKdt1XbUQATVsQz1X0 N3p1ojP+4DXekn4DO02N3s/5hxHT/jYX5k9EPUSgpwbp8KzG2y9DttVhz+pUeXZC O0kOCo6XJyg= =OD5S -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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It's not over
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Let's cut all the doom and gloom here. The bill isn't passed yet. It's got to go through at least one and possibly two more committees before it reaches the senate floor, where we'll have another chance to defeat it. Even then the house has to pass similar legislation. That will be yet another chance. When Clipper was proposed, a wave of anger and opposition swept forth. The same thing needs to happen now. This fatalism is self defeating. Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem. People who say there's no use fighting, who give up, who oppose the efforts of the crypto lobbying groups in the name of ideological purity, are not part of the solution. They have no right to complain if this law passes. By sitting aside and carping at the efforts of those who are trying to stop this kind of legislation, they are only helping to bring it about. There is no reason this new bill should be any more acceptable or more successful than Clipper was. We only have to fight it.

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Re: "Fuck tha EFF": New banner for Netscum page
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Aaron Marquez <marquez(a)pacbell.net> writes: > I find it curious that when the EFF was silent about the netscum page, the > majority of you were supportive of the EFF, but as soon as the EFF said that > they weren't interested in being associated with the netscum page, the party > line suddenly became "the EFF is a bunch of corporate whores..." This is a lie, like everything else Aaron Marquez says. We've been condemnding EFF at least since October 96, when we caught one of the cocksuckers in charge of it in blatant censorship. > What explanation can there be for such a quick 180 other than to conclude > that you're suffering from a big case of sour grapes? And at any rate, how > does EFF-bashing on a mailing list advance the cause of electronic freedom? > I think it's been made obvious what you think of the EFF, why repeat it over > and over to people who already know? This is a lie (see above). Dave, why did you subscribe this Cabal stooge to this mailing list without announcing it? :-( > >If one dislikes the "National Socialists", the closet historical analogue > >of the Usenet Cabal, it doesn't follow that one is against socialism. > > I disagree that the so-called Usenet Cabal is akin to the National > Socialists. Marquez is not even amusing - just a Cabal liar. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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PGP Crack Solution
by AlecMcCrackin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Solution to Pearl Harbor Computer's ----------------------------------- "PGP Crack Challenge" --------------------- "The cypherpunks aren't hiding Jews." "They are hiding that murdering Armenian bastard, Ray Arachelian, and cocksucker John <spit> Gilmore <fart>." --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ "I think we should all send Pearl Harbor Computers back 10 copies of this" --- Graham-John Bullers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQCVAgUBM6rHzSKJGkNBIH7lAQGxzgP+MQuVm9DWABUxhp0xVp+5L7qm9JlCZ/GU e2Yktx4n8ouRfUpf5WK9uxCGnKd5S1sv38yrJy8sMbQkN1uY8nJYevmwb/6oH1+n cbXJccanXFtAe4Qt6c6bHKJorU+cjk5K2Xl3c/w3PJBgox2r2sAhC98oGE7l4i71 uiRNsXsbbbg= =OIRG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Platt <cp(a)panix.com> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill (fwd) > From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" <shabbir(a)vtw.org> > We owe them a great big debt of thanks, not the derision that goes with > Alice in Wonderland political punditry. They did what they did because they thought it was in their interests; otherwise they wouldn't have done it. We owe them nothing, and I am horrified to see this phrase. How much do you owe a parasite that tries to negotiate with other parasites to take slightly less of your blood than they originally expected? Statements similar to yours have been made so many times, scolding "extremists" for "not being realistic." I seem to remember something about extremism in defense of liberty being no vice, and moderation no virtue. Either way, if you compromise, you don't get what you want. That is absolutely obvious. So why compromise?

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Re: Hettinga's e$yllogism
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Digital Commerce *is* Financial Cryptography, > Financial Cryptography *is* Strong Cryptography, > therefore, > Digital Commerce *is* Strong Cryptography. > and, therefore, > No Strong Cryptography, no Digital Commerce. Why can't escrowed ecash support digital commerce? Strong crypto with a government backdoor. That's what you're offered. Prove it can't work. Anon

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Re: Canarypunk: Jim Bell in a coalmine
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:38 PM 6/22/97 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: >Admittedly, this is a distraction from the most important thing, which is >writing code, but I bet that there are in fact cypherpunks-who-don't-code >in Bell's neighborhood, and not necessarily even Friends of Jim, who would >be happy to personally go see how Bell is doing and come back and tell us >what happened. Think of it as part of the feedback loop for net.freedom. A >trip into the coal mine with a canary cage. > >Yeah, I know. It's me making work for someone else. Nonetheless: Anyone out >there want to do this? ............................................................................ ..... I live about an hour's drive from Tacoma. I'm not too enthused about taking such a lengthy trip just to go see how Mr. Private Assassinations is doing, but - taking after your own methods, Robert - I'd be glad to do it in exchange for a trip to Anguilla next Feb. :>) (You know, it is true that having friends in times of stress, like when you're sitting in jail, is good for the soul, but on the other hand one must give credit to Jim for his having created his own situation. He did provoke the government types into suspicions about him and he must have known that distributing his AP ideas, containing such apparent potential for being translated into reality, would make him a grand target. When you do things like that, you ought to consider what you're going to do when "they" come after you. He afterall is quite aware of the atmosphere in which we live and how fragile is the relationship (if it can be called that) which civilians have with the local military saviors which daily protect us from ourselves.) Having said that, I'll consider the possibility, if visitors are allowed on weekends. Perhaps several cpunks could go (if anyone else around here interested? (Wei, Joel, I know you're just dying to go <g>)), if more than one visitor at a time is allowed . .. Blanc

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