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Re: Why Americans feel no compulsion to learn foreign languages
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 11:49 AM 03/28/96 -0800, frantz(a)netcom.com (Bill Frantz) wrote: >I, at least, want to know something of the language of the countries I >travel in. Being able to get a meal or a room for the night is useful. As >a rock bottom minimum, I want to know the phrases: Hello, Good by, Please, >Thank You, More beer please, and Where's the bathroom. Indeed, I've found that pretty much covers the essentials :-) First things I've always tried to learn in a foreign language are "please" and "thank you". > >The look of pleased surprise on the face of the Budapest resident when I >said "Thank you" to in Hungarian as he gave up his seat to me because I was >loaded down with caving equipment is something I still treasure. > Sounds much similar to the reaction I got in Japan, speaking broken Japanese. Atrocious accent, of course; abysmal grammar, and a fair share of mispronunciation tossed in - but I was *trying*, and that counted for a _lot_. I also have to concur with the point about the language/point-of-view argument. I never have learned to _think_ in a foreign language (a prerequisite for fluency, I believe :-), but have gotten sufficiently skilled to be able to understand some of the subtleties of the languages I've (kind of) learned. Regarding the notoriety of British (and, yes, Americans), I met up with a Brit in Japan who complained about the 'bloody foreigners that don't understand proper English'. I pointed out to him that *we* were the foreigners, and that the Japanese had a nicely organized society about the same time that his ancestors and mine were still smearing themselves with blue mud. That earned me an Evil Look. Dave Merriman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVpW7MVrTvyYOzAZAQE/xQP/WhYi/LAT2M/QYJ+b2PW7sOrRg2r0ZNcU gl3gk50RWY7AOUeEaifNM2ZWMl5oqqKSjA+eV5pnFZBlQBgrbnuzRHLi2F9IigZ6 Uu2V3/DHaTGY9ZVdWok0deU8DnkoY0W07pafggB9qpTCgqTGhU0NNOVxeWlU2HsT 6Yu9l5QduHM= =XMSb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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17 Dec '03

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suggestions for starting an e-bank
by brookfld＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! If I were going to start an e-bank, what would you suggest? 1. What type of e-cash system? 2. What services to offer? 3. Where would I get information? 4. Where is there a need in the marketplace? A friend of mine has the means and desire to do this, and he wanted me to ask and then forward the answers to him. Thank you in advance. --Richard

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Re: Open Systems, Closed Systems, & Killer Apps
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:14 AM 4/10/96 -0400, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Various correspondents have pointed out that X.25 is an "open system" in >that it is not proprietary. I knew that. I was thinking more of >hierarchical vs peer-to-peer. I have been under the impression that >TCP/IP connections are more peer-to-peer between different sorts of >networks (or nodes) than X.25. Isn't X.25 more of a standard for a >single network? Don't X.25 networks need someone more "in charge" than >TCP/IP networks, or am I mixing up different layers on the OSI reference >model? X.25 is an interface between a Data Terminal Equipment and a Data Communications Equipment, rather than a whole-network format like IP and TCP. X.25 networks often have random proprietary internals, and they're designed for a world where there IS only one network, because after all, there's only one Phone Company; the X.75 protocol lets X.25 networks talk to each other. But if you look at the higher levels of the protocols, they're not really that different than TCP applications - you've typically got a listener application waiting around for connections from client programs. It feels a bit less peer-to-peer because usually the service you want is the X.3/X.28/X.29 stuff that's X.25's equivalent to telnet, so the server end is a MainFrame, and the client end is a terminal pad that you've connected your 3270 or dumb terminal to. But you can do other things as well, if your computer environment will support it. Simon Spero wrote: } you can call X.25 a lot of things, but proprietary is not one of them. } X.25 did not fail because it wasn't open; X.25 failed because it was crap It's not dead yet, and you can't even say it's failed, given that it's still in wide use in much of the world. X.25 was design to work on networks with really bad bit loss - we're talking modems on barbed wire here, or whatever the French use instead of barbed wire, and in days when computers were _slow_. Yes, it's bureaucratically designed, and parts of it genuinely are ugly, and it does lots of work at Layer 2 that these days you'd do at a higher layer. And, yes, it's a lousy environment to do full-duplex character echo over. But it works ok for a large fraction of the world's data communications, which are designed for less interactive environments. It's fine for email. It's fine for 3270 fill-in-the-blanks applications. It's fine for pre-Web online service applications like CompuServe. It reeks badly for client-server applications which do a dozen little handshakes per transaction, which are designed assuming they're on a LAN and fail badly when stretched across an ocean, but you'll find they often do badly on frame relay as well. Are the Internet and Frame Relay both better ways to do anything than X.25? Yeah. Would I want to do interactive work on it? Of course not. Would I like to do another project getting vendors to modify their X.25 and CLNP to support a set of seldom-used options that some security consultant once convinced one of my customers they needed? No way. Was I susprised that not only does AT&T still use X.25 in some of its older dialup networks, but that it's still very big overseas? Well, yeah :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215

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Re: On "spammers" and "anti-spammers"
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: perun!dlv From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.e-mail,news.groups,news.admin.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,soc.culture.russian Subject: On "spammers" and "anti-spammers" Message-ID: <JL9u2D1w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 97 10:52:06 EST Organization: Death Camp #6 Several days ago one Robert Hicks, DM Group, Direct Marketing Management, 2774 National Pkwy, Brunswick, Ohio, retained one Thomas Gallman, Telysis Communications Ltd, to do a mass e-mail for them. Unfortunately, Telesys made a small typo when sending out their mass e-mail. DM Group's domain address is "dm1.com" and our domain address is "dm.com" (no digit). That happens a lot, and not always accidentally. Malcontents like Peter da Silva, Chris Lewis of BNR.CA, John Gilmore of EFF/Cygnus Support, Ray Arachelian of Earthlink.com, Sandy Sandfart of C2Net, Peter Vorobieff of LANL.GOV, and other well-known liars and forgers intentionally forge garbage traffic on the Internet with their enemies' domain names (including ours) and later complain about their own forgeries. I was surprised by Telysis's unintentional error, but I hold no grudge against them. However as the result of their mass mailing our site has received hundreds of flames from the self-appointed net.cops, ending up in mailboxes "postmaster" and "orphan" (sent to a non-existent mailbox "freeway(a)dm.com"). Many such flames were also sent to PSI, our upstream site. I am fairly dissatisfied with the way PSI handled this and other incidents involving forged traffic made to look like it came from dm.com. Their lines include "we've been receiving a lot of complaints about you" (and it doesn't matter whether any complaints are true) and "if you prove that this traffic did not originate at your site, then we won't hold you responsible" and "These messages are unwelcome intrusions that violate unwritten rules of the Internet, and are strongly resented. Please confirm that you are aware of these complaints and are taking measures to stop this practice." I also noticed a sharp contrast between the polite letter send out by dm1.com (who were trying to sell something, I presume; and you don't sell anything if you're rude to prospective clients) and the obnoxious, obscene, and threatening responses the net.cops sent to our site. I will quote a selection of these complaints to illustrate the kind of abuse many ISPs are subjected to. Please observe that one of the complainers claims to have received "death threats" from a nonexistent account at our site, several others claim to have received such junk e-mail from our site before, etc. If your e-mail to dm.com is quoted below, please consider the following: If someone sends you junk e-mail, it does not make it OK to send abusive and threatening e-mail to (what you believe to be) the spammer's ISP. Please try to use better manners, even when you deal with behavior that you consider to be rude. ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (vinylot@localhost) by panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) with SMTP id PAA18512; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:19:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: Vinylot <vinylot(a)panix.com> To: freeway(a)dm.com Cc: vinylot(a)panix.com, postmaster(a)dm.com Subject: DEATH THREAT In-Reply-To: <B0000010411(a)telysis3.telysis.com> Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.94.970206151319.15438E-100000(a)panix.com> Hey assholes why dont you configure yer fuckin spam properly so that when we try to remove ouselves from the list we don't get even more unwanted email you scumbags ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (vinylot@localhost) by panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) with SMTP id VAA23841; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:32:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:32:23 -0500 (EST) From: Vinylot <vinylot(a)panix.com> To: postmaster(a)bwalk.dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com Cc: vinylot(a)panix.com Subject: In re: "Death Threat" *and* "Returned mail (fwd)" Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.94.970206212030.21557A-100000(a)panix.com> I see your customer has made themselves unreachable via email, in addition to sending out extremely annoying spam... I'm just sending this note to let u know that I *am not* making any death threats. Vinylot ========================================================================== Received: (from semmett@localhost) by adams.patriot.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA11132; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:10:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:10:03 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Emmett <semmett(a)adams.patriot.net> To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)telysis.com, abuse(a)telysis.com postmaster(a)telysis3.telysis.com, abuse(a)telysis3.telysis.com, freeway(a)dm.com Cc: Steve Emmett <semmett(a)adams.patriot.net> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970206103706.8729A-100000(a)adams.patriot.net> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970206104357.8729B-100000(a)adams.patriot.net> I just sent you a rejection before realizing that YOU have already spammed me and I have already given you a previous notice (28 January 1997). Therefore, since you have SPAMMED me again, you have accepted the terms of my licencing agreement you previously received from me - to wit, each subsequent use (including this most recent one) are now subject to a $1000 per-use fee. You have failed to provide a valid US Postal Address as required by the licence. You will immediately provide the address so that I can send you a bill. Violation of this license agreement is cause for civil suit. You are now on notice to immediately comply with the terms of the licensing agreement. ========================================================================== Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: <m0vsYnR-0003vzC(a)TFS.COM> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 97 10:43 PST From: hiha(a)TFS.COM (Harry Iha) To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! Cc: admin(a)206.222.107.196, admin(a)dm.com, admin(a)dm1.com, hiha(a)TFS.COM, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com This is the second instance of this unsolicited, commercial e-mail I've received. The first was from Freeway4(a)dm1.com, the second, identical message from what appears to be the same user. Both times, I've responded, as instructed, to be removed from this user's mailing list. Please remove me from your current mailing list, and do not include me in future lists. Thank you for your cooperation. hiha(a)tfs.com ========================================================================== Received: from bubbas.vnet.net (vts-cat1-s1.vnet.net [166.82.120.221]) by jazzmin.vnet.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16984; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:52:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970206134940.0066f5f4(a)pop.vnet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:49:40 -0500 To: freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com, abuse(a)dm.com, admin(a)dm.com From: Brantley Smith <bubbas(a)vnet.net> Subject: FREE OFFER !!/ *GET A LIFE*!! Please do something to stop this spammer. This is the second message I've recieved from this dude. The whole message is below. ========================================================================== Received: from ioceram.jetcity.com (annex01-06.jetcity.com [204.201.228.106]) by jetcity.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21385; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:47:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199702062247.OAA21385(a)jetcity.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is <ioceram(a)[204.201.228.10]> From: "Bryce Conner" <stars(a)jetcity.com> Organization: Procrastinate Later To: postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:47:43 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) FREE OFFER !!: I want these mailings to stop immediately Reply-To: stars(a)jetcity.com Cc: bryce(a)jetcity.com This user has repeatedly sent me unsolicited advertising, even after I requested that they stop. I consider this a clear example of harrassment and net abuse. I request that you warn your customer or take the proper diciplinary action. This kind of activity (SPAMMING) is extremely frowned upon by the net in general, and one request to this person should be enough for them to remove me from their mailing list, especially since I did not request to be on it in the first place. Often this will result in the removal of the account in question. I promised to follow up with this action if they repeated, and so here it is. I would apprecate a reply to this email within 1 week. Sincerely, Bryce Conner ========================================================================== Received: (from nuucp@localhost) by gateway.ycrdi.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA13226; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:49:14 -0500 (EST) From: ralph_muha(a)ycrdi.com (Ralph Muha) Reply-To: ralph_muha(a)ycrdi.com To: postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)telysis.com Subject: Fwd: FREE OFFER !! Date: 06 Feb 1997 15:54:01 GMT Message-Id: <649199615.3797450(a)ycrdi.com> Organization: Young Chang R & D Institute please keep this crap out of my mailbox! ========================================================================== Received: from koko (unverified [202.128.5.10]) by www.latte.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id <B0000002260(a)www.latte.net>; Fri, 07 Feb 1997 00:42:38 +1000 Message-Id: <B0000002260(a)www.latte.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is <alex(a)latte.net> From: "Alex Fields" <alex(a)latte.net> Organization: Latte Net Communications To: postmaster(a)dm.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:53:45 +10 Subject: (Fwd) Delivery failure tell this asshole to take me off his GD list. thank you. alex fields ========================================================================== Received: from nwlink.com (ip061.tu1.nwlink.com [206.129.228.61]) by montana.nwlink.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02282; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:48:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Greenfield <redbeard(a)nwlink.com> To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm1.com Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:49:10 +0500 Message-Id: <yam6976.511.138150712(a)mail.nwlink.com> Organization: Polymorph Digital Photography and Electronics Subject: Please read and respond I recieved the following unsolicited Email today. Please take the appropriate action. I am sick and tired of receiving multiple "junk" emails every day, despite the fact that my signature always includes info indicating that I do not welcome them, and in fact will not do business with anyone who does business this way. <snipped> -- Steve Greenfield redbeard(a)nwlink.com If you don't want my business, go ahead and junk Email. If you never want income from me, go ahead and spam. ========================================================================== Received: from gabubba.paradise.net (gabubba(a)adial095.paradise.net [205.216.68.95]) by q.paradise.net (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21198; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:18:13 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970206171705.006d71c4(a)paradise.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:17:05 -0500 To: postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com From: Bubba <gabubba(a)paradise.net> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! Dear Postmaster, I received the following unsolicited e-mail, please ensure that this person no longer sends unsolicited e-mail. If I receive another message from this user, I will refer it to the proper autorities for investigation as an illegl scam. <snipped> Bubba "bubba69" or "BearPiss" on IRC, Atlanta, Georgia, USA 40 year old, big ol' cub's face fuckin', cigar smokin' tattooed leather top daddy bear, 6'2", 240#, 38" 501's, blue eyes, furry, BUSHY greying beard and 'stache, flags left black, red, and yellow, in Atlanta, GA If you enjoy bearcodes: B8 f+ t+ w+ d+ g++ k++ ========================================================================== Received: by ip143.van5.pacifier.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC142A.585245A0(a)ip143.van5.pacifier.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:36:16 -0800 Message-Id: <01BC142A.585245A0(a)ip143.van5.pacifier.com> From: Tony Foulke <tonyf(a)pacifier.com> To: "'B0000010411(a)telysis3.telysis.com'" <B0000010411(a)telysis3.telysis.com>, "'freeway(a)206.222.107.196'" <freeway(a)206.222.107.196>, "'freeway(a)dm.com'" <freeway(a)dm.com> Subject: RE: FREE OFFER !! Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:36:11 -0800 This is a formal notice that bulk email is NOT to be sent to tonyf(a)pacifier.com It is not wanted. Any UCE coming from you or any clients of yours will be considered harassment. Not only will a bill for my service charge of $250 be received by you, but a criminal complaint will be filed as well. COMMERCIAL EMAIL IS NOT WANTED AT THIS ACCOUNT OR ANY OTHER ACCOUNT HELD BY ANTHONY FOULKE. This is your ONLY notice. --Anthony Foulke -- All unsolicited commercial e-mail coming to this account is subject to a service charge of $250 per piece of mail. Sending any UCE to this account constitutes acceptance of these terms. ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (snakeman@localhost) by thecore.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA00892 for <root(a)dm.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:22:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:22:58 -0500 (EST) From: snakeman <snakeman(a)thecore.com> To: root(a)dm.com Subject: FREE OFFER !! (fwd) Message-Id: <Pine.NEB.3.95.970206181747.503A-100000(a)guardian.thecore.com> If you do not wish your mailbox to be flooded with complaints, and, possibly, unix kernels - please take the appropriate action with the below user who is spamming mailboxes. Any further posts from that user will result in a campaign on Usenet to ban your site. ========================================================================== Received: from h.m.ginsberg.worldnet.att.net ([207.146.7.96]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA28725; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:45:53 +0000 Message-Id: <32FA50AF.4AAB(a)worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:44:15 -0500 From: "Howard M. Ginsberg" <h.m.ginsberg(a)worldnet.att.net> Organization: Amateur Radio Operator W1HG/4 To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196 Cc: postmaster(a)telysis.com, freeway(a)dm.com Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! References: <B0000008087(a)telysis3.telysis.com> PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST. ANY FURTHER E-MAILS FROM YOU WILL RESULT IN THE AUTOMATIC GENERATION OF A MINIMUM OF 10,000+ E-MAILS TO YOU ON A DAILY BASIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE COOPERATION. ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA16508; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:36:27 -0500 To: freeway(a)[206.222.107.196] Cc: postmaster(a)dm.com, psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM, hostinfo(a)PSI.COM, domain-fee-contact(a)PSI.COM, postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM Subject: JUNK: FREE OFFER !! (REMOVE DELETE UNSUBSCRIBE UN-SUBSCRIBE) In-Reply-To: Message <B0000008087(a)telysis3.telysis.com> of "Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:17:36 EST" Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 09:36:26 -0500 Message-Id: <16506.855239786(a)interlog.com> From: John R MacMillan <john(a)interlog.com> Please remove me from your junk mailing list. If you are not the originator of this message, you may wish to know that a spammer is making use of your mail system. ISPs please consider having an ``Acceptable Use'' policy that forbids spamming. This junk mail appears to be from: freeway(a)206.222.107.196 To a junk mailing list maintained by: freeway(a)dm.com And appears to have been injected into the mail system at: telysis3.telysis.com Accordingly, the following addresses have been notified: freeway(a)[206.222.107.196] postmaster(a)dm.com psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM hostinfo(a)psi.com domain-fee-contact(a)PSI.COM postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM Further mail from freeway(a)206.222.107.196 will be automatically forwarded to the above addresses, and possibly to sites that maintain lists of abusive spammers. Mail from this address WILL NOT BE SEEN BY ME. This is an automated message. ========================================================================== Received: from BHeaton (dtp01-21.txdirect.net [204.57.92.245]) by legend.txdirect.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA18681; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:06:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:06:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199702061606.KAA18681(a)legend.txdirect.net> From: Brian D Heaton <bheaton(a)txdirect.net> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! -- SPAM To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)telysis.com Cc: abuse(a)psi.net, abuse(a)psi.com, postmaster(a)psi.net, postmaster(a)psi.com Sirs, Remove me from all mailings managed by you company immediately. This is my second request. Any further mailings from your organization will result in further action. PSI - This network abuser is a client of your service. I would appreciate a notification of the action taken agains this organization. BDH ========================================================================== Received: from [207.8.3.19] by jump.net (8.8.4/BERK-6.8.11) id UAA08328; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:19:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <v01510100af20433e39a2(a)[207.8.2.23]> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:29:47 -0600 To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com From: netminder(a)jump.net (ERic V & Lisa S) Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! Cc: postmaster(a)206.222.107.196 I don't want any free stuff. In fact, I'm quite put out that I'm getting this junk. I'm copying your postmaster on the off chance that it's not you, on the hopes that you'll get a stern talking to or perhaps even removal from your service. Spamming like this is VERY frowned upon. It appears (as I've now received several of these 'type REMOVE' type messages) that someone is selling my email address. I would appreciate, if that is the case, that you send me their name and/or number and/or email address so that I can let them know personally my feelings. I also recommend, if that is indeed the case, that you contact the BBB and your State Comptroller and see what can be done about capturing the charlatans. Good luck with the barrage of nasty messages you're about to receive. ERic ========================================================================== Received: (from egburr@localhost) by kiowa.wildstar.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) id IAA21628; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:53:09 -0600 From: Edward Burr <egburr(a)kiowa.wildstar.net> Message-Id: <199702071453.IAA21628(a)kiowa.wildstar.net> Subject: ABUSE (was: FREE OFFER !!) To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, root(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196 abuse(a)206.222.107.196, twalton(a)ACSI.NET, postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM, psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM, info(a)DM1.COM, root(a)CLEVER.NET, root(a)ACSI.NET, postmaster(a)ACSI.NET, abuse(a)ACSI.NET Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:53:09 -0600 (CST) Cc: root(a)TELYSIS.COM, postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM, abuse(a)TELYSIS.COM, root(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com, abuse(a)dm.com, root(a)DM1.COM, postmaster(a)DM1.COM, abuse(a)DM1.COM In-Reply-To: <B0000008091(a)telysis3.telysis.com> from "freeway(a)206.222.107.196" at Jan 28, 96 08:17:40 am Dear junk email spammer, please REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST IMMEDIATELY. I charge for reading unsolicited email advertising. I did not sign up for this, and I should not have to request to not be made a victim of this. I have a limited amout of disk space available to me, and your junk email is wasting some of it. By the way, you really need to fix your clock; the current year is 1997. POSTMASTER/SYSADMIN: Please archive this notice in case I need proof that I sent it and it was received at your site. Thank you. ACSI.NET You are the last nameserved host along the route to the originating IP address of this spam. TELYSIS.COM You are the originating mail server. DM.COM (PSI.COM) You are who this spam is supposedly TO; this indicates you are probably being used as a mail list forwarder. DM1.COM (CLEVER.NET) You are hosting this spammer's web site. (offending junk email spam below...) --/Edward Burr/-------------------+---------------------------------- | Senior, Science Education, OU | Use of my e-mail address or URL | | egburr(a)wildstar.net | is restricted. Visit my home | | http://www.wildstar.net/~egburr | page for details. | \ / \ / \ Unless otherwise noted, all opinions here are solely my own./ ========================================================================== Received: from vfg-pa1-10.ix.netcom.com (vfg-pa1-10.ix.netcom.com [205.184.1.42]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA13579 for <postmaster(a)dm.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:49:17 -0800 From: ISCHLANG(a)IX.NETCOM.COM To: postmaster(a)dm.com Subject: LEGAL WARNING Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 06:48:17 GMT Message-Id: <32fecec9.1097207(a)smtp.ix.netcom.com> Dear Postmaster, On two other occasions I have requested to be removed from your clients list, yet I am still receiving unsolicited email advertising from them. This is in direct violation of US CODE TITLE 47 under which I may collect 500 dollars for each occurrence. Please look into this and get back to me prior to my filing charges against you and your client for this continued harassment. ========================================================================== Received: (from hazmat@localhost) by nsa.ecosoft.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA02044; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: Ken W <hazmat(a)shore.net> Message-Id: <199702061417.JAA02044(a)nsa.ecosoft.com> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)telysis.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: freeway(a)dm.com In-Reply-To: <B0000008257(a)telysis3.telysis.com> from "freeway(a)206.222.107.196" at Jan 28, 1996 08:23:34 AM This is a spam is is hopefully grounds for immediate termination of your account. People like you make the Internet a place that is not very fun anymore. <snipped> -- hazmat(a)shore.net http://www.shore.net/~hazmat Shore.Net Web Administration webmaster(a)shore.net http://www.shore.net/ "...and the number of the beast is vivivi...." ========================================================================== Received: from [206.80.13.141] (sfmax2-141.ppp.wenet.net [206.80.13.141]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20127 for <postmaster(a)dm.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: acates(a)mailhost.hooked.net Message-Id: <l03010d00af1ff926c8b5(a)[206.80.13.141]> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:12:19 -0800 To: postmaster(a)dm.com From: Alden Cates <acates(a)hooked.net> Subject: "FREE OFFER !!" Junk e-mail I tried to remove myself from this listing but I can't!! I did NOT signup to be on this list and I don't want this tye of crap in my e-mail box. I got a message saying that the address my "REMOVE: e-mail went to did not get there. I recently got this e-mail: ========================================================================== Received: from RICHARD.COMP-UNLTD.COM (richard.comp-unltd.com [204.212.166.234]) by cu.imt.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA12115; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:28:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199702061528.IAA12115(a)cu.imt.net> From: "Richard Barndt" <richard(a)imt.net> To: <freeway(a)dm.com> Cc: <postmaster(a)dm.com> Subject: REMOVE Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:30:42 -0700 Offense under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwanted and unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are now ILLEGAL under US federal law: By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b) (1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. Please ensure this is stopped NOW. You have been put on notice. If you confirm to me promptly that effective action has been taken against those persons responsible, I will not take the matter further on this occasion. If you do not provide me with such confirmation in a timely manner, or if ANY further UNSOLICITED or UNWANTED junk mail should be received from your site, I will instruct my attorney to issue a writ WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE, and the matter will then be pursued under federal law. I will separately notify your upstream providers as they may also be liable for violations originating from your site. ========================================================================== Received: from lawr40.static.usit.net (lawr40.static.usit.net [199.1.57.110]) by SMTP.USIT.NET (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA14481; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: sstutts(a)usit.net (THE Lone Wolf) To: 206.222.107.196(a)abuse.networks.net, B0000008256(a)telysis3.telysis.com dm.com(a)abuse.networks.net, freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)[206.222.107.196], postmaster(a)dm1.com, postmaster(a)telysis3.telysis.com, telysis3.telysis.com(a)abuse.networks.net Subject: Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 06:15:55 GMT Message-Id: <32fec88e.867280(a)smtp.usit.net> I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwanted and unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are now ILLEGAL under US federal law: By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b) (1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. Please ensure this is stopped NOW. You have been put on notice. If you confirm to me promptly that effective action has been taken against those persons responsible, I will not take the matter further on this occasion. If you do not provide me with such confirmation in a timely manner, or if ANY further UNSOLICITED or UNWANTED junk mail should be received from = your site, I may instruct my attorney to issue a writ WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE, and the matter will then be pursued under federal law. I will separately notify your upstream providers as they may also be liable for violations originating from your site. ========================================================================== Received: from gregspc (isabella-57.pagesz.net [208.194.157.57]) by pagesz.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08671; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:07:09 -0500 Message-Id: <32FA7D27.63AE(a)pagesz.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 19:53:59 -0500 From: Gregory Boop <gboop(a)pagesz.net> To: 206.222.107.196(a)abuse.networks.net, abuse(a)206.222.107.196, abuse(a)dm.com abuse(a)dm1.com, abuse(a)telysis.com, abuse(a)telysis3.telysis.com, B0000008256(a)telysis3.telysis.com, dm.com(a)abuse.networks.net, freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com, postmaster(a)telysis.com, postmaster(a)telysis3.telysis.com, telysis3.telysis.com(a)abuse.networks.net Subject: Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwanted and unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are now ILLEGAL under US federal law: By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b) (1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. Please ensure this is stopped NOW. You have been put on notice. If you confirm to me promptly that effective action has been taken against those persons responsible, I will not take the matter further on this occasion. If you do not provide me with such confirmation in a timely manner, or if ANY further UNSOLICITED or UNWANTED junk mail should be received from your site, I will instruct my attorney to issue a writ WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE, and the matter will then be pursued under federal law. I will separately notify your upstream providers as they may also be liable for violations originating from your site. ========================================================================== Received: from kohn-b (cnc129043.concentric.net [206.173.9.43]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/01/29 1.12)) id IAA26653; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:01:05 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Message-Id: <199702071301.IAA26653(a)newman.concentric.net> Reply-To: <bicker(a)concentric.net> From: "Brian Charles Kohn" <bicker(a)concentric.net> To: <abuse(a)dm.com> Subject: Fw: FREE OFFER !! Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:00:31 -0600 Please note that your subscriber "freeway" is sending out unsolicited commercial solicitations. Besides the legal issues, it is not appreciated. Please address this issue with your subscriber. ========================================================================== Received: (from larry@localhost) by casper.tvinet.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) id QAA26259; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:51:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Phillips <larry(a)casper.tvinet.com> To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, root(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196 Cc: freeway(a)dm.com, root(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! In-Reply-To: <B0000010696(a)telysis3.telysis.com> Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970206165006.25645A-100000@Casper> Bugger off ========================================================================== Received: from frankenputer (pmnet02-08.austin.texas.net [207.207.2.8]) by natashya.eden.com (8.8.5/8.8.1) with SMTP id SAA15421; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:58:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970206185637.009f1b40(a)mail.eden.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 18:56:40 -0600 To: postmaster(a)telysis.com, postmaster(a)dm.com From: "John D. Webb" <jdwebb(a)logiclabs.com> Subject: SPAM ABUSE: FREE OFFER !! To whom it may concern, I received this *unsolicited* SPAM mail originating from or referencing your domain. I do *not* appreciate receiving such junk mail. I request that you take whatever steps are necessary with the account holder to see that they desist such abuses. Thank you, John Webb ========================================================================== Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 11:06:21 -0500 (EST) From: FZR400(a)aol.com Message-Id: <970208110620_-1174326236(a)emout05.mail.aol.com> To: postmaster(a)bwalk.dm.com Subject: Re: Returned mail SOMEONE AT THIS DOMAIN HAS BEEN SENDING UNSOLICITED E-MAIL ADVERTISING. TELL THEM TO CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY. Member, Internet Advertising Relief Association http://users.aol.com/fzr400/junkmail.htm ========================================================================== Received: from benicia60.castles.com (benicia60.castles.com [206.54.43.80]) by mustang.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA26381; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:12:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199702090612.WAA26381(a)mustang.via.net> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:13:02 -0800 To: abuse(a)PSI.COM, root(a)CLEVER.NET, abuse(a)CLEVER.NET From: Brad Albom <brada(a)via.net> Subject: SPAM: FREE OFFER !! Cc: freeway(a)dm.com Hi- This email is to notify you that one of the domains and/or users that you are resolving for is sending SPAM email. The email included below was unsolicited and unwelcome. I presume that you have policies regarding this type of activity and will take appropriate action. Thank you, <snipped> -brad albom Software Engineering Solutions, Inc 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1215, Mountain View, CA 94043 email: brada(a)sesinc.com <- Office address alt : brada(a)via.net <- Home address, checked more frequently phone: (415) 969-0141 alt : (707) 552-5248 ========================================================================== Meaw.

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Mad_Software_Disease
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!pop.gnn.com!JDonth From: JDonth(a)gnn.com (Joseph L. Donth) Newsgroups: comp.sources.testers Subject: Beta Testers Wanted Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:09:55 Organization: InfoBook Technology Lines: 251 Message-ID: <4j9fer$sr1(a)news-e2c.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: www-31-240.gnn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 1996 19:10:19 GMT X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 InfoBook Technology is looking for Beta Testers for our latest product called ONE-PHONE-CALL. This post is in four parts: 1) What does a Beta tester do? 2) How Do I Sign-up? 3) How do I get chosen? 4) The product description The product description is quite lengthy. Feel free to bail on it when you have decided to be a tester or have decided not to be one. Note: Since the program includes encryption software, we are restricting our testing (and possible distribution of the commercial release) to people living in the USA. I will restrain from comment on governments, export licenses, the NSA and the like. If you decide not to be a tester, would you drop me a post and tell me why? This is our second posting of this request - our goal is to have at least one hundred testers - so far we have less than two dozen. If you have any thoughts on where else I might post this beta test request and meet with a favorable response please let me know that as well. Thanks and without further delay... ****************************************************************************** ** What Does a Beta Tester Do? Although we will not ask you to sign any agreements, we do ask that you honor the following conditions of our Beta Test Program: 1. The software being tested is not for commercial use. If you use it in a commercial fashion, you do so at your own risk. The software may have 'bugs' in it. The purpose of the beta test program is to identify those problems. 2. Don't give copies of the software (except when authorized) to other people. If you know of someone that you think might be a good beta tester, let us know and we will look at adding him or her to the beta list. 3. Please let us know when you have problems with the software. Don't assume that someone else has reported it. A written response sent to JDONTH(a)GNN.COM, is the requested communication method. 4. We also ask for comments on the whole package you received from us. Did it create a good first impression? Was it complete? Is the User's Guide clear? What would you change? Why? ****************************************************************************** ** How Do I Sign up? Please reply by EMail (JDonth(a)gnn.com) with the following information: 1. Full Name 2. Surface mail and preferred email address 3. City, State and Zip code 4. Attention Line 5. Telephone number 6. An "I agree to the terms of the Beta Test Program" statement 7. Computer system information 8. Computer expertise (optional) 9. Experience as a Beta Tester (no previous experience is required) 10. Why you want to test this product ****************************************************************************** ** How Do I Get Chosen? We will be choosing testers on a first-come, first-serve basis. You are not guaranteed a position as a tester of ONE-PHONE-CALL. If you are chosen you will receive an email confirmation, followed by the software, sent via fist class mail. The software will be a 30+ day version with all features and capabilities. You will be sent an email questionnaire about 30 days after shipment of the software. Your reply to the questionnaire will insure you a FREE copy of the software after it is released into retail sales. If you are not chosen you will be notified by email. If you have any questions, please contact me at JDonth(a)gnn.com or Joseph L. Donth InfoBook Technology 7660 Reed Rd. Azle, Texas 76020 ****************************************************************************** ** What is ONE-PHONE-CALL? ONE-PHONE-CALL is a PC-based software product that enables you to transfer electronic information such as a program, a scanned fax, a word-processing document or a spreadsheet to someone, in a secure environment, with just one telephone call. It features a simple installation, user-friendly interface, mouse support, a menu system, and easy-to-remember commands. First, Some Background More and more of our correspondence is electronic in nature. We use word processors to compose letters and reports. We use spreadsheets to do budgets and financial analysis and we use accounting programs to keep track of everything from the corporate books to our personal checking accounts. The power of these software tools is easily appreciated and the trend is to use our computers in meeting more and more of our daily needs. What is lacking, however, is a simple, easy-to-use method of sharing our electronic information with each other. Using the facilities of fax, EMail or floppy disks has problems. A fax can only transmit printed information, EMail is difficult to use and can be expensive, and mailing floppy disks is very slow. Also, none of these methods is very secure. The wrong people can read a fax, open business mail, or gain access to voice-mail or EMail accounts. Now with your modem equipped computer and ONE-PHONE-CALL you can addresses all of these issues. Let's illustrate with three examples: The first example demonstrates the simplest issue: sharing electronic information with someone else. You are working on a report at home and need to confer with a co-worker in the office. You place a telephone call to your co-worker and discuss the report. You decide he needs to see a copy of the report. Without ONE-PHONE-CALL it might go like this: To fax a copy of the report you might: ... Print out the report on your printer ... Dial his fax number ... Fax the report ... Call him back to tell him the fax has been sent ... Wait for him to get the fax and call you back! The result - at least three phone calls and who knows how much time wasted in printing, faxing, perhaps getting busy signals and so on. Or perhaps you decide to send him an electronic version of the report, via his EMail account. You might: ... Format the document properly for the EMail service to accept ... Dial the EMail service, connect, log-in, and all the rest ... Transmit the report ... Call him back to tell him the report is on the EMail service ... Your co-worker connects to the EMail service ... He downloads the report ... He calls you back. At least four phone calls! And who knows how much money and effort? Now with ONE-PHONE-CALL, you can accomplish the same task with your original phone call. You and your co-worker can stay on the phone and transfer the information back and forth as many times as necessary, without having to make another phone call! A second example demonstrates a more complex problem. The ability to transfer information when you don't know exactly what information needs to be transferred. You have just received a copy of a great new shareware game from the XYZ Software Company. Your brother shares your liking for this company's software and you have exchanged previous shareware games with him. It's a great game and you're pretty sure he'll want a copy too. Without ONE-PHONE-CALL, you have two obvious choices. First, you could upload all the software to his EMail account (see above!) and maybe call him to tell him it's there, or you could copy the software to a floppy disk and mail it to him. If you go the EMail route, you're out the upload time and several dollars. (So is he, on the other end.) If you go with the Postal Service, you're out a buck or so for a floppy and some postage and the software gets there days later. With ONE-PHONE-CALL, it's as simple as calling him, finding out if he wants the software, and sending it right then and there! ONE-PHONE-CALL will even figure out what software he needs (perhaps several of the files are the same as in previous games) and will only send the new files that he doesn't have, and update any files that are out-of-date. We can extend this example to many specific problem areas: You own a software company that operates a customer service line for help with your products. If your customer needs an updated version of the software, you can upload the new software to him immediately, sending him only what he needs, during the one phone call the customer has made to your company. Result! a happy customer. A friend is having a problem with his computer. You suspect he may have a problem with one of his configuration files such as CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT or one of his Windows INI files. Without using the capabilities of ONE-PHONE-CALL he is either reading you the text of the file over the phone (yea, right!) or he is printing it out to fax it or mail it to you. You get the listing (maybe days from now) and find the problem. You need him to edit his CONFIG.SYS file to fix the problem. "How do I do that?" he asks. You get the idea. With ONE-PHONE-CALL, he simply sends you the files, you edit them on your computer, and send them back, he reboots, and the problem is solved. All with ONE-PHONE-CALL. Our final example highlights the security aspects of electronic information transfer. Have you ever sent a fax and wondered if it went to the wrong machine? Did you dial that number correctly? Or did you wonder if it was "eaten" by the machine? or was read by the wrong people? or fell into the "black hole" of cyberspace? Have you ever wanted to send some confidential information but didn't "quite trust" your on-line service? Have you ever wanted to make sure the right person and ONLY that person sees your communication? Without ONE-PHONE-CALL, the electronic exchange of confidential information can be very difficult. With ONE-PHONE-CALL, your life just got much easier. Here's a hyperbolic example but it makes the point: You have been away at your summer retreat working on the company annual report and budget. It is FULL of confidential information. You need to send it to your CFO back at the office for review and the insertion of some background information that he has in his computer. How do you get it to him? With ONE-PHONE-CALL, you call his office, get him on the phone, and send the document! You KNOW you dialed the right number. You KNOW you have the right person on the line. And by using the encryption feature of the software, you can even deter access to your information in the event of a wiretap. How do you do that without ONE-PHONE-CALL? Minimum System Requirements ONE-PHONE-CALL runs under Windows 95, Windows 3.1 or MS-DOS. System Requirements: For operation under Windows 3.1 or higher: IBM-compatible PC (386 or higher) 4 mb of RAM memory, 8 mb recommended Mouse Hard drive with at least 1 MB of free space 1200, 2400, 9600, 14.4K, 28.8K modem For operation under MS-DOS 3.11 or higher IBM-compatible PC (8088 or higher, 80286 or higher recommended) 640 kb of RAM memory Mouse recommended Hard drive with at least 1 MB of free space 1200, 2400, 9600, 14.4K, 28.8K modem Best Regards, Joe JDonth(a)gnn.com

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Re[2]: Crypto CD UpDate
by Adam Pingitore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Um, why am I getting mail from you people.

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CDT Policy Post 2.12 - Sen. Burns Announces New Bill To Lift Crypto ExportControls
by editor＠cdt.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____ _____ _______ / ____| __ \__ __| ____ ___ ____ __ | | | | | | | | / __ \____ / (_)______ __ / __ \____ _____/ /_ | | | | | | | | / /_/ / __ \/ / / ___/ / / / / /_/ / __ \/ ___/ __/ | |____| |__| | | | / ____/ /_/ / / / /__/ /_/ / / ____/ /_/ (__ ) /_ \_____|_____/ |_| /_/ \____/_/_/\___/\__, / /_/ \____/____/\__/ The Center for Democracy and Technology /____/ Volume 2, Number 12 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A briefing on public policy issues affecting civil liberties online ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT POLICY POST Volume 2, Number 12 March 28, 1996 CONTENTS: (1) Sen. Burns Announces New Bill To Lift Crypto Export Controls (2) Subscription Information (3) About CDT, contacting us This document may be redistributed freely provided it remains in its entirety ** Excerpts may be re-posted by permission (editor(a)cdt.org) ** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) SENATOR BURNS ANNOUNCES BILL TO LIFT CRYPTO EXPORT CONTROLS The battle to roll back the Clinton Administration's encryption policy escalated on Thursday when Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT) announced that he will introduce a new proposal to repeal restrictions on encryption exports and to encourage the growth of electronic commerce. Senator Burns announced the bill via a teleconference during a special session at the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy Conference in Boston, MA. The bill, titled the "Promoting Commerce On-Line in the Digital Age Act" (PROCODE), joins two recent bills introduced earlier this month (S. 1587 and HR 3011) designed to encourage the development of strong, easy-to-use privacy and security products for the Internet. The Burns bill is different from the other proposals in several respects. Specifically, the latest bill does not contain any new criminal provisions or provisions imposing liability on third party key holders. In his presentation today at CFP, Sen. Burns outlined his new bill. Among other things, the "Promoting Commerce On-Line in the Digital Age Act" would: * Allow for the unrestricted export of "mass-market" or "public-domain" encryption programs, including such products as Pretty Good Privacy and popular World Wide Web software. 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Re: Crypto CD
by JR＠ns.cnb.uam.es 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:52 AM 3/24/96 -0500, Ben Holiday wrote: >I would plan to put unix/dos/mac all on one CD. I'm thinking that >realistically I can expect 50 megs or so. Possibly as much as 100 if I >find a TON of wonderful text. I burned one such CD this last fall. Oh, well, it wasn't for publishing, although I thought of that at the time. It was mainly to be able to move with me all my data when I switched positions. I included all the Cypherpunks archives, and several international FTP crypto sites in full (ya know, the italian, australian, english, pgp, etc... places). It was well over your "50 megs". And I would find that pretty more useful (if I hadn't it already). :-) Oh, I'm lying. I also did a "purged" version to remove duplicated packages first, when I didn't know if I would have enough sapce in the few CDs I had to burn in the few days I had left. I seem to remember that wasn't as big and maybe in the range that you mentioned. But it was compressed, and hence its usefulnes now is somewhat less since I have to expand everything if I want to get it. I was filling the CDs with other "important to me" stuff, and wanted to save space, but having the space available I don't see any reason not to expand the material. What I'd suggest is a compilation of all main archives, purged from duplications, rearranged rationally (I have it just in the original hierarchies) and all expanded for direct access. If you add to that executables for most packages compiled for a few popular platforms (Mac, PC, Linux and FreeBSD come to mind), I'd bet that you'd get a far greater amount of space. But that's a lot of additional work though. I know from experience. It might do for a very nice cypherpunk project. Although, there still remains the "trustfulness" of the product: how can the final user know that the sources, executables, key databases, etc... have not been tampered with? From the original archives one has the truth one poses on them, but from a copy, one needs to trust the copier. And if it became a multi-person project, all the people involved... But it's well worth a thought o two. If it helps you, my CDs are probing now invaluable to me. jr

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Updated list of crypto and security courses
by Avi Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to everyone for your great suggestions/additions/deletions. I added, changed or deleted over 25 courses this time around. Now back to my regularly scheduled life. The updated course list can be found at: http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~rubin/courses.html Avi ********************************************************************* Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU AT&T Labs - Research 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809 --> Check out http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ for a new book on web security (The Web Security Sourcebook). *********************************************************************

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