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Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy
by Dr. Rich Artym 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message <199602070213.UAA03036(a)einstein.ssz.com>, Jim Choate writes: > If the intent is to motivate others to kill or otherwise harm others simply > because you don't agree with them or their actions is reprehensible and > moraly or ethicaly undefensible. I agree, but not for your reasons. "Reprehensible" and "ethically undefensible" both presupose that *you* can make an objective moral judgement that you are right and others are wrong, which is no better than the moral judgement that the politicians are making. A better reason for agreeing with your position is simply that value judgements of any kind are subjective, and therefore they cannot apply to everyone and hence it is a clear coercion to try to apply them to everyone. Coercion of one man's subjective views onto another is the fundamental fault in the position of the censors; it's a very fundamental attack on perhaps the most basic freedom we have, regardless of whether there is a Constitution or Ammendments in the country in which we live. > > 2. How can we keep the government from banning encryption, digital > > cash, and other systems that will improve our freedom? > > > > By making shure they don't have the authority to make the decision in the > first place. It might well be too late for that: they've already taken the authority. Now we're starting a process of taking it back, and we can do so without bloodshed by moving the source of their power (monetary transactions and the consequent taxation) beyond their reach. That's where crypto comes in, and that's why many of us are here. > Every citizen of this country is a 'government employee' in one sense or > another. It is important that we adopt this overtly innocent view of civil servants and governments as our *servants*, because it is on the grounds of service that they justify their positions and actions on the single day every few years that we get to vote them in. Shoving the term "servant" down their throats at every opportunity is an excellent attack on their positions of power over us. Rich. -- ########### Dr. Rich Artym ================ PGP public key available # galacta # Internet: rich(a)galacta.demon.co.uk DNS 158.152.156.137 # ->demon # rich(a)mail.g7exm[.uk].ampr.org DNS 44.131.164.1 # ->ampr # NTS/BBS : g7exm(a)gb7msw.#33.gbr.eu # ->nexus # Fun : Unix, X, TCP/IP, OSI, kernel, O-O, C++, Soft/Eng # ->NTS # More fun: Regional IP Coordinator Hertfordshire + N.London ########### Q'Quote : "Object type is a detail of its implementation."

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Re: Nyms with keys
by an5877＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I mostly lurk these days. DEADBEAT <na5877(a)anon.penet.fi> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.4 iQBFAgUBMRwQdPFZTpBW/B35AQH+7wGAss68V8aPaLMra/yLHtk5CpO2Zt8Yp7B1 qZKr+hOVJmphvZFmC7UmEk8TZu7a1GTY =zI0k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Witness Protection Program
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NYT Sunday magazine tomorrow has a longish article on the federal Witness Protection Program. It traces in detail one family's entry, the arrangements for the "death" of the old identity and the new "birth," and describes the unsettling nymity transformation. It also lays out the ballooning cost of a program once thought to be relatively cheap. Some techno stuff about carefully orchestrated communication between the relocated family and relatives. Is everyone in the galaxy still able to get free and easy access to the NYT Web site at: http://www.nytimes.com ?

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OK, how *do* you spell it?
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got a spelling ping this morning. I'd never really thought about it, before. Is it infocalypse or infoclypse? Cheers, Bob --- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:22:47 -0500 To: rah(a)shipwright.com X-URL: mailto:rah@shipwright.com X-Personal_name: David R. Conrad From: ab411(a)detroit.freenet.org Subject: Spelling glitch Robert, On the e$ home page, "Infocalypse" is misspelled "Infoclypse". Regards, -- David R. Conrad, conrad(a)detroit.freenet.org, http://www.grfn.org/~conrad Hardware & Software Committee : finger -l conrad(a)grfn.org for public key Key fingerprint = 33 12 BC 77 48 81 99 A5 D8 9C 43 16 3C 37 0B 50 No, his mind is not for rent to any god or government. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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This is not...
by mixmaster＠obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lemeur Alexanderpunks, or perryrants vs. perryisanasspunks, or CDAisdumbpunks, it's CYPHERpunks. Could everyone please get closer to back on topic, there is work to do. Rant at congress, not here! XYZ

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Re: Nyms with keys
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perhaps while you're lurking, you should consider downloading and installing a more recent version of PGP than version 2.4 which you're still using. At 05:24 PM 2/10/96 UTC, deadbeat wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >I mostly lurk these days. > >DEADBEAT <na5877(a)anon.penet.fi> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.4 > >iQBFAgUBMRwQdPFZTpBW/B35AQH+7wGAss68V8aPaLMra/yLHtk5CpO2Zt8Yp7B1 >qZKr+hOVJmphvZFmC7UmEk8TZu7a1GTY >=zI0k >-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: V-chips, CC, and Motorcycle Helmets
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:07 PM 2/10/96, "A. Padgett Peterson, P.E. Information Security" <PADGETT@hobbe wrote: >Tim rites: >>The viewer sets her preferences: a 5-5-5 would let everything through, etc. >>The developer of the chip claimed he could mass produce the chip for a buck, >>and this may be where all those estimates of "$1-2 per set" have come from. > >Am in favor of this since it puts the control in the hands of the property >owner. One question would be "how often is the V-rating code transmitted ?" >(are the kiddies protected from channel-surfing ?) Do suspect that the $1-$2 >cost could be met *at the manufacturing level*. This is what I said, that maybe the _chips_ could be made for $1-2, but integrating them into systems (VCRs, t.v.s, tuner cards for computes--did you think we'd let Little Johnny evade the V-Chip by using one of those tuner cards?) will likely cost 20-40x more, based on the usual cost factors. The Canadian V-Chip prototype was shown sending out V-Chip codes "frequently" (seconds or faster), so Little Johnny might see a flash of thoughtcrime, but not much more. >Do also see the need for regulation to put it in. It was required for UHF >channels else no one would try to build one. I am also thankful that is was The whole "mandatory UHF" thing was utter nonsense from the gitgo. In nearly all commercial markets (big cities) there are but a few UHF channels being used, and in most places none are being used. Meanwhile, unused VHF spectrum exists. As someone else posted recently, the "market" solution gave us "cable-ready" sets and VCRs without government/FCC regulation. >required for closed-captioning even though my TVs are not new enough (have >a $99 discount-house box on the TV in the family room. Makes many shows Well there you have it. Many of the poor clearly are not buying new sets that have closed-captioning. Meanwhile, we all pay for it when we buy new sets and VCRs. A hidden tax, that does not benefit those in need. (I'm not a tax strategist, and consider taxes to be theft, but if I were to design such a tax, I'd just steal the money "fair and square" and then pay the $100 or whatever to the deaf--excuse me, "the alternately soundspaced"--to subsidize an external closed-caption decoder. Of course, this would leave the broadcasters, and under no circumstances would I insist that they CC their programs, and thankfully the law does not now require them to.) ObCypherpunks: A truly surprising number of people on this list are on the one hand lambasting the government for thievery, incompetence, corruption, and violation of their rights, while on the other hand explaining why they think some particular intrusion is justified. We have people arguing for mandatory V-Chips, for Data Privacy Inspection Services, for anti-discrimination laws, and for government key signing services. It's not a far jump from arguing any of these points to talking about the "legitimate" (their term) needs of the government to ensure that encryption is not used for criminal purposes, for kidnapping and extortion, for tax evasion, etc. People need to think about the powerful implications of strong crypto, and decide if they are _for_ access to strong crypto by citizens, or _against_ it. All things follow from this decision. --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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WEB: Heterodoxy Bashes MIT and Internet
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Very little cpunk relevance. I bash Heterodoxy for bashing MIT and the Internet at http://yakko.cs.wmich.edu/~frogfarm/hetrant1.html Also available at alt.wired and talk.politics.libertarian. -- http://yakko.cs.wmich.edu/~frogfarm ...for the best in unapproved information Tell your friends 'n neighbors you read this on the evil pornographic Internet "Where one burns books, one will also burn people eventually." -Heinrich Heine People and books aren't for burning. No more Alexandrias, Auschwitzs or Wacos.

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Re: Req. for soundbites
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>A local TV station has asked me for an interview, after I sent a graphic >of a mono-digital hand gesture with the phrase "censor this!" to the Prez, >Veep, and the area congresscritters (cc'd to 2 TV stations and a radio >station), accompanied by a 'confession' and demand for swift prosecution. > >Anyone got any nifty sound bites I can try to toss in? "Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties." "Though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously, by licensing and prohibiting, to misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter?" Both are John Milton, Areopagitica (1644) And theis .sig: Arun Mehta, B-69 Lajpat Nagar-I, New Delhi-24, India. Phone 6841172,6849103 amehta(a)doe.ernet.in a.mehta(a)axcess.net.in amehta(a)cerf.net http://mahavir.doe.ernet.in/~pinaward/arun.htm "I do not want my house to be walled in on all sides and my windows to be stuffed. I want the cultures of all the lands to be blown about my house as freely as possible. But I refuse to be blown off my feet by any."--Gandhi Bill

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Re: Yeah, Yeah But what are we gonna do!
by avatar＠mindspring.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:17 PM 2/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Spam beget filters. > >Most congresscritters delete email from people other than their >constituents already. > >Adam > Untrue most of them have responded to my correspondence. For example, I live in Atlanta Ga. and Senator Bradley is a representative of New Jersey. Here is his letter. By the way I have many more from many other members of both House and Senate. Thank you for contacting me to express your views concerning the Communications Decency Act of 1995, which was recently passed as part of S. 652, the Telecommunications Act of 1995. I greatly appreciated the opportunity to review your thoughts on this issue. Although the advances being made in our nation's information and communications network are revolutionary and welcome, they also provide openings for individuals to transmit obscene materials to children and to lure children. Throughout my career in the U.S. Senate, I have consistently encouraged the recording industry and the television industry to limit explicit violence and sex on television. Given the widespread growth of information networks, I supported the Communications Decency Act as a means to curtail children's exposure to offensive materials and to give parents some control over the things their children see and hear. While I supported this amendment because I believe there is a need for some safeguards against obscenity, I do have some concerns about the implementation of this provision, if it becomes law. There should be a distinction between indecent and obscene material, as there is in other relevant laws. Furthermore, this particular amendment does not adequately reflect the unique nature of the Internet, in which information crosses many computers and access points before reaching the user. Finally, I was disappointed that the Senate did not have an opportunity to consider an alternative proposal suggested by Senator Leahy. This measure would have provided more safeguards to ensure that First Amendment rights were preserved, but still would have accomplished the overall objective of the adopted version. Determining who should be held responsible for disseminating obscene material may be difficult. I am concerned that this could lead to an overall chilling effect on online communication as users fear that they may be held responsible for material they did not originate. Please be assured that I will keep your views in mind as the joint House-Senate conference committee attempts to reconcile the differences between the two versions of the Telecommunications Act of 1995. Again, thank you for contacting me to share your views. I hope to hear from you again in the near future. Best wishes. Senator Bill Bradley Washington, DC 20510 (202)224-3224 > Charles Donald Smith Jr. ||The government is my shepherd I need not work. It alloweth me to lie down on a good job. It leadeth me beside stilled factories. It destroyeth my initiative. It leadeth me in the path of a parasite for politics sake. YEA, though I walk through the valley of laziness and deficet spending I shall fear no evil, for the government is with me. It prepareth an economic utopia for me by appropriating the earnings of my grandchildren. It filleth my head with false security. My inefficiency runeth over. Surely, the government should care for me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in a fools paradise forever.................AMEN! || nuke'm if ya got'em||

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