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Re: Technology center
by stuey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>What I think they'll do is work on virus software. They can write >something which will hack the crypto on your PC and make it weak. >If they want to wiretap some drug dealer, they get him to download >one of their programs somehow. Maybe they've got a Java bug which >lets them hack files when he goes to a certain web page. Or maybe >they get him to download some free demo of a game or interaction >service (hotchicks.com) Whatever, the program actually looks for >PGP and other crypto software and hacks it. Now the FBI can read >his stuff. What we have here is a technology race. Assuming it is legal for a hypothetical government organization to pull a stunt like that, we merely build our own encryption software that is compatible with the current stuff, or failing that have an unreasonable amount of different publically available versions out there. Tell me what virus can alter 50 different programs in a different fashion and still be small enough to go unnoticed. If you were to program your own private version of PGP and have it produce output exactly the same as any version of PGP out there you wanted to, then there's a good chance that it would be overlooked by viri, logic bombs, trojans... and even if it wasn't there's an even better chance that a specific virus would need to be written to hack your private version. and what are the odds of actually infecting your particular desktop with the naughty program that's gonna do the dirty work? I admit that would take cnsiderable effort and the only reason for doing so is to protect against thief software designed to steal your keys, but it can be done. and probably would be done by many as a last resort / defense. -Stu "Work toward your vision of tomorrow, or you will surely live in someone else's" -- Art Sackett

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Re: Remailer latency (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:42:45 -0400 > From: Joey Grasty <jgrasty(a)gate.net> > Subject: Re: Remailer latency > At 11:58 PM 9/25/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > >If you operate a remailer, please tell us what you need to make it > >really work well. Perhaps the rest of us can help make it happen. > > Sure. Send me $125 a month for a dedicated line, and I'll insure > that you get low latencies on winsock. Malarky. Some basic issues regarding the physical infrastructure (YMMV): - since the lines are answered by modem and not voice AND they are not answered as the business you can use residential lines which means a much lower cost of operation. - assuming 1 in-dial and 1 out-dial (needed for maximum throughput and minimum latency) you only need long-distance on the dial-out. - the pricing on the move of my 4 POTS broke down thus: Line # Install $ Monthly $ Function 1 38.35 16.63 dial-in, no ld 2 30.95 16.63 dial-in, no ld 3 16.35 16.63 dial-in, no ld 4 16.35 30.08 voice w/ ld, call notes, caller id - the pricing on my other aspects are: ISDN 0.00 w/ 2 yr. 80.00 main link to contract provider Electrcity 12.00 per machine Modem 200.00 per line ISP 0.00 w/ 2 yr. 400.00 backup DNS, contract 4-day mail cache, admin account, usenet server access, full C-class, backup dial-in, their ISDN costs - you should also arrange legal and financial support Maybe that will give you a Ctl. Texas base-line for estimating what it would take to do the job. I should have an estimate for T1 pricing and setups in a couple of weeks, say something and I'll post the current status. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailer Attack (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:31:48 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Remailer Attack > Generally, a bunch of things would be nice to have: > [several original examples deleted] - some sort of legal protection and recognition for the remailer operators - some mechanism for them to operate as a business entity with a clear profit. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailer latencies (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:32:14 -0600 > From: A Player To Be Named Later <aptbnl(a)dev.null> > Subject: Re: Remailer latencies > And, since you asked, would it not be in the interests of remailer > operators to have a script which would generate random text, encrypt > it to various remailers and send it out as 'cover traffic'? > It would seem to me that this would be particularly valuable for the > remailers that receive the least amount of traffic. This aspect of traffic cover is more complex than it at first seems. Take for example the second simplest model that I am aware of. For each email that comes in n bogus emails go out with one remailed copy. So for each email we receive we end up processing n+2 emails. Since to be useful n must be reasonably larger than 2 to be effective we are left with a quandry. As we process more traffic (ie become successful) we find our bandwidth need growing at a linear rate of n, unfortunately the skills and resources to support this increase also get larger as we become more successful. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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cypherpunks-e@htp.org list explodes!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I tried subscribing to cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org, the English-language relative of cypherpunks-j. There may have been one or two independent postings, but almost everything there was just the main cypherpunks list, forwarded and with archiving numbers stuck in the Subject: line. That wasn't a very good idea; people who want to subscribe to cypherpunks should do so directly, but if you do want to build a fourth list address for cypherpunks, you can check with Igor Chudov and Lance Cottrell about the software that makes it work without looping. However, a day or two ago, something broke, and most of the 1400+ messages I've gotten have been Mailer-Daemon complaints about not being able to reach somewhere or other for four hours. It may be because ssz.com was down for a couple of days, or may be from something else, but it's failed spectacularly. Killfiles are your friend, but for now I've simply unsubscribed. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Its working read this, give it a chance
by Pascal Mayani 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ouais c'est vieux comme le monde le principe: ca s'appelle une pyramide et il n'y a que le gars en haut qui se fait un sacre pactole. En plus c'est parfaitement illegal. And now, ladies & gentlemen, let's talk in english : Hello suckers of *intofild(a)aol.com*, This nice principle of sending money to the last name on a list through the INTERNET is the ultimate variation of the pyramidal game... First before carrying on with the demonstration, people should know that this kind of "gime your money you sucker, I'll know how to use it" is illegal in most industrial countries... You can't win for a very good reason. This game can be seen as a pyramid : The chief / | \ a few accomplices ////||||\\\\ suckers sending their money As you can see, the only people to earn money in the process are the one on the top of this pyramid, the others just send their money to the top of it and can hardly win a kopek. The idea is very simple, usually on the list, you'll find unknown people whom you would suppose to be some ordinary participants of the game, in fact in most cases they're the accomplices or the chief himself. The original situation: #1 accomplice 1 #2 accomplice 2 #3 accomplice 3 #4 chief You send five bucks to the chief... #1 you #2 accomplice 1 #3 accomplice 2 #4 accomplice 3 You send your money to accomplice 3 Now you ask twenty of your friends to do so: #1 one of your friend #2 you #3 accomplice 1 #4 accomplice 2 Now this people will ask friends of them to send money in their turn: #1 a friend'a friend #1 one of your friend #2 you #3 accomplice 1 They will send money to accomplice 1... This group of people, the accomplices and the chief will get: 20*20*20*20*5= $800 000 (And of course, it's could be more profitable, you can't know how many people answered at the first stage). If you hope to reach the fifth stage... Read the demonstration once again ! So don't be stupid, don't even send a peanut to these suckers...

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Re: Remailer Attack (fwd)
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 26 Sep 1997 23:18:00 -0500, Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> wrote: > >Forwarded message: > >> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:17:11 -0700 >> From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >> Subject: Re: Remailer Attack (fwd) > [ stuff deleted] >> And I mentioned this specifically. > >I'll grant you mentioned digital postage. This simply is not robust enough >to handle the world of a commercial remailer operator. We'll just have to >agree to disagree here because the standard digital postage argument simply >doesn't sway me to support it. > What's wrong with the idea of digital postage? What else do you have in mind? There are a couple of problems that arise when money in any form gets involved: 1) refunds: If one remailer in a chain fails to deliver a message, How does a user get a refund without having the message traced back to him? 2) Business/Gov't dishonesty: Imagine if 50% of all remailers are owned and operated by the same company. Now imagine if that company did not have the same morality/ideaology as we do. Now imagine if that same company was LEA friendly. I don't think I need to tell you why this is a bad thing.

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clean machine
by rarab＠buffnet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can anyone tell me if a person could expect to encounter any difficulty with US Customs if they leave the US with PGP on a lap top machine? Would you be questioned about the contents of your machine? Would you be obliged to demonstrate that the machine was "clean" before it would be permitted to leave the country? Would a person be compelled to divulge the contents of any floppy disks in their possession before leaving the country with them? Perhaps the prudent thing to do is download PGP to your machine after leaving the US. I must take a decision on this matter in a few months. Any advice would be appreciated. Cordially, rarab

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The Child Molester Prevention and Effective Sentencing Act
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The problem with all the current bills like original SAFE and ProCODE is that they're too wimpy, abstract, arcane. Who cares about protecting business? Nobody, at least not when you'll be dubbed soft on crime. So what's the one thing everyone cares about and wants to protect? Yes, that's right: CHILDREN!!!! I think someone should introduce a bill called "The Child Molester Prevention and Effective Sentencing Act of 1997." The summary: "To reduce crime, protect our children, and secure our private communications from child molesters, pedophiles, and various perverts, this bill would spur the development of privacy-enhancing technologies by removing all export controls on encryption products." Who would ever vote against the CMPA? Who wants to be soft on child molesters and random perverts? Not even Louis Freeh could successfully oppose this one... -Declan (Okay, okay. It's a Friday. Time for me to go home...) ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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by Senders＠Domains.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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