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Re: NYT article
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

an interesting commercial product might be software to do blaze's trick.... josh

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Re: Zimmermann legal fund
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:23 PM 7/30/95 EDT, nsb(a)nsb.fv.com wrote: >To pay into non-US accounts, we need to establish banking relationships in >other venues. For the most part, we need to do it one country at a time, >which is awesomely time-consuming ..... >Remember, the requirement is not that you be in the US, but rather than you >have an account in a US bank. This is not all that hard for a non-US >citizen to do **IF** you can show up physically at a US bank. Thus, if >there's a US bank that has an office near you, you can walk in and open an >account to which deposits can be made through the US direct-deposit system, >and you're in business with FV. Aren't there some banks or similar companies that are world-wide, but have US branches? I think SwissBankCorp or somebody like that has an office in San Francisco; would it be possible for you to transfer money to someone with an account there who's really in, say, Switzerland or the UK or Hong Kong? #--- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # Phone +1-510-247-0664 Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 #--- # Export PGP three lines a time --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/ M0V]N9W)E<W,@<VAA;&P@;6%K92!N;R!L87<@+BXN(&%B<FED9VEN9R!T:&4@ M9G)E961O;2!O9B!S<&5E8V@L(&]R(&]F('1H92!P<F5S<SL-"F]R('1H92!R M:6=H="!O9B!T:&4@<&5O<&QE('!E86-E86)L>2!T;R!A<W-E;6)L92P@( T*

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Re: Sex & Crime TV filter
by thresher!thad＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hadmut, There has been an ongoing debate about this, for several years. The way that it is supposed to work is that the TV broadcasters would include some kind of rating information in the vertical interval between frames, and the TV's that are sold after a certain date would interpret these rating signals to darken the screen during shots, or more likely, programs that are deemed inappropriate to the viewer. The idea would be that parents could program their tv's to permit some range of sex and/or violence, and thus could protect their children somewhat. The chip that interprets the content does it solely based on the rating information. This is the so-called "v-chip" (v for violence, I think, not for video) that you see in the press. I think that a more reasonable approach would be to sell a box that sits between the video signal source and the TV, or that is within the TV, that is connected to some private rating service. I think that any kind of mandated rating would be unlikely to meet the qualifications of most people. Besides, what I would really like to filter out, what I find to be incredibly violent to the minds of children, is commercial advertising. Private rating services could take care of these, easily, as well. The idea of boxes outside the TV is usually casually shot down as unworkable; that kids, with their infinite time, patience, cleverness, and guile, will find a way to bypass the box. I'd say that it's worth a try. And, if it will blank commercials (and pause your VCR during them, say) I think it will have tremendous revenues to enable research into a secure solution. One such secure solution would be that you would take your TV into a shop, and have the antenna connection modified, so that any tampering would be detected. Or have it done as a house call, whatever. thad -- Thaddeus Beier email: thad(a)hammerhead.com Technology Development vox: 408) 286-3376 Hammerhead Productions fax: 408) 292-8624

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Re: Zimmermann legal fund
by nsb＠nsb.fv.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:24 PM 7/30/95 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: >If you insist that international transactions be mediated through >US banks, you are cutting your throat. I hope my mail didn't give the impression that we are "insisting" on this. It's a matter of technical expedience at the moment, that's all. Non-US sellers who really want to use FV can do so today IF they get a US bank account. Payout through non-US banks is definitely something we plan to do, but you can't build a business today on our plans for tomorrow, especially since we don't have a firm target date. One of the relatively easiest alternatives we have discussed is good old fashioned paper checks. We could *conceivably* (this is not a promise!) set up a system to pay non-US sellers by mailing them paper checks. This is a fairly expensive process, and we'd have to pass on the costs to the sellers in the form of a service charge for the mailing, and there would be postal delays, and there would be a delay waiting for your local bank to clear a US check. Is this appealing? -- Nathaniel

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BOOK: "Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach"
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On a lighter note, I've recently gotten a new book, "Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach," by Stuart Russell and Peter Norvig, 1995, Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-103805-2. In 900 pages of well laid-out text, with excellent use of typography to make finding topics easy, it seems to be a great compendium of methods loosely called "AI." AI has gotten a bad rap, perhaps deservedly after the hype of the mid-80s, but the methods are useful for various purposes. This book is focussed on "agents," and lots of code fragments are available (in Common Lisp) for actual construction of agents. Topics that relate to Cypherpunks are scattered throughout the text, including stuff on planning, provably correct designs, game theory, simulations, neural nets, belief, and ontology. Lots more stuff, too. (If I were writing a formal book review, I'd say more. But this is just a pointer, so that interested folks can check it out at their local technical bookstore or university library.) Not a lot to do with getting PGP 3.0 out the door, and not a lot to do with building remailers, but stuff I find interesting. Let a thousand flowers bloom. --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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QIK_san
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

8-1-95. W$Japer: "Your Home Computer Will Soon Be Your Banker and Broker." The first on-line banking transaction will be a historic moment not unlike the first automobile sale or the first commercial airline flight. It will signal a commercially viable use of a new technology that may ultimately eliminate what until now we have considered the retail aspects of banking, stock brokerage and more. The implications are profound. The promise is electronic access to all financial transactions at substantially lower cost. One's personal computer can, in essence, become an in-home bank branch, brokerage outlet and financial planner. For example, with Intuit's software and with its union with American Express, Smith Barney and 17 large banks, consumers will be able use one link for the first time to access traditional banking, credit- and charge-card services, brokerage services, financial planning and more. The effect on the banking and brokerage business and their employees is going to be profound. The retail sales forces of banks and brokerage houses may shrink substantially, as may the ranks of financial planners. The number of bank and brokerage buildings may also shrink. QIK_san

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Billing for internet usage
by koontz＠MasPar.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From time to time there is noise about billing for information transfer on the internet. Historically, it cost more to do the billing calculations then it was worth, yet you still hear about people wanting to figure out how. One way would be to perform cooperative billing balances between nodes, and allow each node to 'bill upward'. This means that any two machines are more interested in their relative balance than how much money they are really spending. There are some interesting problems of trust and reliability, that might be solved through the use of digital money. Then there is the wiley programmer (or machine) that applies expert solutions to the problem trying to 'route' around billing imbalances. With sophisticated enough algorithms such machines would be basically trading on billing futures, perhaps demonstrating that computers could be better capitalists than people. Imagine a communications network that collapses because of an economic crash. Would the internet require the equivalent of suspension of programmed trading (routing) and a FTC?

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Re: Zimmermann legal fund
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:57 7/30/95, Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin] wrote: >When I lived in California, I banked at Security Pacific, then changed >over my account to BofA. When I left the bay area, I closed my account, >not knowing that someone had sat on a check for $120 - I thought it was me >just entering an ATM receipt twice (as I do from time to time). So, >someone from a place called ChexSystems sends me a letter, saying "well, >you had a check go through and the bank paid it, please pay us." So, I >send them the $120 or whatever it was. How old was the check when it was presented (and how long was it from the check's date until you had closed the account). If the check was stale then you have a valid gripe about the bank's behavior. I've dealt in situations where people are collecting checks which are going to be "stale" before they are submitted for processing yet there is no request to post-date the check nor setting up of an escrow account to hold/clear the money until it can be turned over to the correct owner (they collect voting fees for a convention where the winner gets the money but the holder of the election is the one who is being sent the check to sit-on [for up to 6 months] until the winner can be handed the stack of checks - There is a claim that the holder of the election can not open a segregation/escrow account due to bank rules or procedures).

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Re: "Microsoft.com" added to my KILL file
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim and Lucky were talking.... >>embedded spreadsheets and embedded graphics. And as for attachments, such >>as attaching programs for running on a machine, mailing list messages are a >>very poor way to distribute such programs, for many reasons. To say nothing of the risk of some nasty Word virus or other malicious executable. _______________________ Regards, Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believed. -William Blake Joseph Reagle http://farnsworth.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu 0C 69 D4 E8 F2 70 24 33 B4 5E 5E EC 35 E6 FB 88

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Re: LD was Re: [NOISE] was Re: a hole in PGP
by Nathan Zook 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Kragen J Sittler wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, SysAdmin wrote: > > > ObCypherpunk: Anybody heard from Detweiller? > > Yes, I saw a posting from him (ldetweil@somewhere) on Usenet; I replied > and said it was good to see him back. He answered politely; perhaps he > doesn't recognize me, as his last (previous) words to me were 'just shut > up, you writhing tentacle'. Perhaps he's not so upset about things > anymore; I don't know. > > Peace, > Kragen > Kragen! I haven't heard much from you since someone thought Kragen <-> Kracken ==> monster ---> tentacle! (And you were being pretty rational at the time--for this list.) Doing well, I hope. Nathan P.S.: It's good to see this thread moving to the S side of the SNR

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