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Re: "Utilization Review"
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:58 PM 8/19/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Bill Frantz wrote: >> Perhaps, within our current social order, medical savings plans >> are the best option on the table. > >What alternative social orders can you envision that would handle this >problem elegantly? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Well, under Cryptoanarchy the whole problem disappears. Your medical records are handled as per your contract with your doctor. There are no 3rd party payers who have a stake. With no taxes, the deduction for medical savings plans disappears and with it the principle reason for them. (People would still need to save for medical costs.) >Medical savings plans do not work for anyone but the extremely rich and >healthy, because few normal people can self-insure to cover the risk. The risk of catastrophic illness is indeed significant, but statistically rare. If we assume people will insure for it, and insurance companies still have access to the records of the care they pay for, then we are still better off than we are today with all care being paid by insurance companies. In this scenario, routine medical care is being paid by the patient, and the records can be private between the patient and the doctor. This kind of system would prevent the general availability of information such as whether a patient had a vasectomy. Note that in the general case, people are healthy in their youth, and can build up savings for when health problems develop with age. TANSTAAFL. On the average, everyone has to pay the cost of their medical care. >There's also the little matter of letting your doctor know your medical >history. I have no problem letting my doctor know my medical history protected by doctor-patient confidentiality. It's the insurance company/human resources department/government access I worry about. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius lebri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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[NOISE] other distributed searches
by morgan＠keilin.helsinki.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two distributed searches on the net are described in Science (9 August 1996 p. 743). One is a search for "Mersenne" prime numbers: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm The other is called SETI@home and apparently going to use idle time on people's computers (a screen saver) to search for patterns in data from Arecibo. The report says the project will be set up by Woody Sullivan of University of Washington, Seattle and will operate out of a server in Berkeley. (I wasn't able to locate any information about this on the web.) -- ===================================================================== Joel.Morgan(a)Helsinki.FI http://blues.helsinki.fi/~morgan "Over the mountains there are mountains." -- Chang-rae Lee =====================================================================

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Re: Securing Internet mail at the MTA level
by Stephen Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:29 AM 8/20/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > >Recently, I've been looking into securing email at the MTA level, and >would like to get your thoughts on implementation possibilities and >related issues. > >The problems that I'm trying to solve are: > 1. Host authentication > 2. Data privacy > Hmmm, have you thought about how this might fit/mesh/work with the security mechanisms in IPv6? Just a thought...Stephen

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Re: phoneco vs x-phones
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, I do not speak for Ameritech or it's alliance partners. I wrote: >>One point that seems to be missed here is the very high cost of >>compliance with government regulations. If the internet phone >>people have to comply with the same regulations it will drive up >>their costs dramatically, and if the regulations are lifted for >>all, the RBOC's think they can out compete them. Jim Bell replies: >If that is the main difference in costs, then we should abandon >those regs. Another big cost is billing, which could be eliminated >if usage were unmetered. In any case, I tend to agree: Make >these changes, eliminate the LD/local subsidy, and the LD >companies would have no problem (at least domestically) competing >against Internet phone. (International may be a different story, >because foreign telcos tend to be owned by countries.) Yes compliance costs are a sore subject. Billing costs are actually very cheap,(the mainframes are on the floor above me) the difference between sending a metered bill or a flat rate bill is tiny. Really tiny (NDA). The local/long distance subsidy was eliminated at breakup, but long distance companies do have to pay to use local networks, but as competition heats up these rates are dropping and new players (competitors) join the table, Or they can build their own. ;) One of the fun turns of events might be that the threat of x-phones might lead the RBOC's to actually turn into an ISP's! We could pull this off at amazing speed. (if you can't beat them, join them!) We are after all one of the four major nodes of the Internet...... Heh heh heh....... Brian "Zazen? Well it beats sitting around on your ass all day doing nothing."

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Re: Hackers invade DOJ web site
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:08 PM 8/19/96 -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: > >I personally find the web page very well and artistically done, and >extremely funny. The guy who did it had a good taste. I personally found the page to be offensive and disagree highly with the person having "good taste". Following the premise that another posted to this list, there were ways of focusing on opposing the CDA without insulting women and/or minorities. I also agree that this act is going to backfire by giving the DOJ fodder when the case reaches the Supreme Court. IMO, it was patently obvious that it was a kid or kids that did it who gave no substantial thought on the consequences of his/their act. ************************************************************ Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Survive; http://www.dueprocess.com | - Go to bed." ************************************************************ DISCLAIMER: I am not your attorney; you are not my client. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* legal advice.

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Re: Whistleblowing on the Internet
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:02 PM 9/2/96 EDT, "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.Rutgers.EDU> wrote: >There's also the point that some whistleblowing isn't exactly >what some political groups would want to occur. For instance, opponents >to unions such as myself aren't going to want a whistleblower to be able >conveniently to report their exclusion from a job due to union membership. While some unions are clearly run by and for thugs, some employers have also hired thugs to attack union organizers, and both unions and employers have convinced government thugs to attack their opponents, though unions generally have convinced governments to write laws with fines attached, while employers have often had actual Federal troops shooting union strikers, and have had police refrain from defending strikers from attack. In a free market, there wouldn't be laws requiring or forbidding union membership, and some unions would prosper by providing good service to their members and to the employers that hire them, while others wouldn't. I'd be happy to see union members able to anonymously blow the whistle on employers that blacklist union members, though it's harder to be credible with the public if you're anonymous, and particularly hard to get people to believe "Employer MegaFooBar refused to hire [name deleted for privacy], a member of the IBCPARO, because of his union membership" without revealing enough about the union member's identity that the employer knows, and therefore telling all other employers to know that the guy is not only a union member, but also a troublemaker. In this case, the technology is more strongly useful for maintaining blacklists than for detecting or outing blacklist users. Unfortunately, that's especially true because government taxation and anti-immigrant policies require that employees provide employers with a [mostly] unique ID number and papers to prove who they are, so you can't just show up at a construction-workers' hiring hall, call yourself Joe, and get your pay in cash at the end of the day. (Unless you're already an illegal immigrant, in which case it works fine, but then it's tough to be a union member.) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Re: Whistleblowing on the Internet
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Geoffrey Gussis wrote: >| Overall, I am quite surprised that there isn't a whistleblowing >| clearinghouse on the Internet; a site sponsored by a non-profit that lists >| email addresses and secure forms for sending anonymized email to those >| areas of the public and private sector that deal with whistleblowing. Alt.whistleblowing was started a while ago, and was probably pretty quiet (not that I've read it in years.) Of the 5 articles there today, one is from Geoffrey Gussis, one is a reply, one has an EPA phone number, one is test, and one is spam. The reply said #> See www.taf.org on the net. #> See www.whistleblowers.com on the net #> In a few weeks, our site will be up, and we are also #> involved in bringing false claims act or whistleblower #> lawsuits. We have one under seal, and three more pending. > Such a clearinghouse is what we call a fat target; something >likely to attract attention since wiretapping it could be very useful >to an organization that worried about having a whistleblower. That kind of wiretapping we can deal with. Forging Usenet headers was easy enough even without anonymous remailers, and chaining encrypted messages through remailers should be adequate, even without the huge mix volume of anon.penet.fi. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Re: "Security risks" vs. "credit risks"
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 31 Aug 96 at 20:53, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Airlines, for example, are under tight and rather > arbitrary control of the FAA. Most CPunks have no idea how true this is. Try reading about the Bob Hoover case if you want to learn about FAA's finest actions... jfa

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Re: Los Angeles Times article on Helsingius and anon.penet.fi
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:09 PM 9/2/96, Stanton McCandlish wrote: >Also questionably relevant for an issue like this (more relevant perhaps >to intellectual property issues, etc.) The political axis most relevant >here is civil libertarian v. authoritarian. I don't think you'll find >any authoritarians on the EFF board or staff. A civil libertarian would not be speaking about limiting forms of speech to those that are traceable. Anonymous messages are consistent with the First Amendment. Calls for restrictions on anonymity are not consistent with a civil liberties orientation. (As I described in a much longer message earlier today, I can only hope Esther Dyson simply hasn't thought enough about this issue, and about the implications of her calls for "responsible freedom.") --Tim May -- [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the U.S. Communications Decency Act of 1996] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and fuck them right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said: "Dad's getting old. I say we should fuck him before he's too old to fuck." So the two daughters got him drunk and screwed him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got them pregnant, and had an incestuous bastard son....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he pulled out before he came....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals, unless of course God tells you to. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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Re: Los Angeles Times article on Helsingius and anon.penet.fi
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:39 PM 9/2/96 -0800, Jim Bell (who else:-) wrote: >At the risk of sounding like a broken record (a phrase that will get ever >more obscure now that we're in the CD era...) that's why I pushing AP >(Assassination Politics.) In case anybody wonders why there _are_ relatively reasonable people like Esther Dyson who aren't happy with anonymity in spite of not liking the alternative of government control, this sort of thing _is_ one of the reasons :-) You CAN freak ALL the mundanes all the time, but it's not necessarily a good idea..... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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