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Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:01 2/19/96, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Are you refering to rotors, by any chance? Rotors are World War II era >technology. Of course, who can even guess what you are talking >about. You make about as much sense as the people handing out xeroxed >pamphlets on the street corner informing all comers about the fact >that they are being controlled by aliens. I think what he means is that they use virtual rotors built out of very long primes. I.e., write down n very long primes, one per line. Shift each prime number by a the number of positions indicated in an m by n key. Pick a column. Read the column top to bottom. Use the resulting number to xor with your cleartext of lenght <= n. If the cleartext is > n, use the next column(s) as well. Just a guess. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: should we use same nym on multiple servers?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:45 AM 2/20/96, Anonymous wrote: > With the additional nym servers coming on the scene comes the >question of whether or not to "claim" our alpha.c2 nym on the other >ones, too. E.g., if we are foobar(a)alpha.c2.org, should we also become >foobar(a)nym.gondolin.org and foobar(a)nym.alias.net, too? You know, shalmaneser(a)alpha.c2.org sent me a message demanding that he be given the name shalmaser(a)black.net on my system, for exactly this reason. I told him to fuck off. Now he's threatening to sue me. Do you folks think this is right? (More to the point, this example shows that whatever "anonymous" thinks about "claims" on nyms, it's pointless. Even if _some_ nyms are apparently persistent across nymservers, all it takes is the possibility of this not to be so for the fiction to collapse. The best way to prove that "shalmaneser(a)alpha.c2.org" is really the same True Name (or in alliance with) as "foobar(a)black.net" is to show that either can read the messages encrypted to the other.) --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: ncr-sd.sdca.attgis.com.: host not found)
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The original message was received at Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:58:01 -0500 (EST) from ncrgw1@localhost ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- sandiegoca.ncr.com!chris.claborne (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 sandiegoca.ncr.com!chris.claborne... Host unknown (Name server: ncr-sd.sdca.attgis.com.: host not found) ----- Message header follows ----- Return-Path: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Received: from ncrgw1.UUCP (ncrgw1@localhost) by ncrhub5.attgis.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with UUCP id DAA01682 for sandiegoca.ncr.com!chris.claborne; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 20 Feb 96 03:57:37 EST Received: from toad.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQadsc06898; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by toad.com id AA24807; Tue, 20 Feb 96 00:12:26 PST Received: from cs.umass.edu (freya.cs.umass.edu) by toad.com id AA24801; Tue, 20 Feb 96 00:12:23 PST Received: from thor.cs.umass.edu by cs.umass.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21656; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:12:18 -0500 Received: (from lmccarth@localhost) by thor.cs.umass.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA05762; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:12:18 -0500 From: lmccarth(a)cs.umass.edu Message-Id: <199602200812.DAA05762(a)thor.cs.umass.edu> Subject: Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.) To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com (Cypherpunks Mailing List) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:12:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: ipgsales(a)cyberstation.net (IPG Sales) Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com (Cypherpunks Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960219132531.301A-100000(a)citrine.cyberstation.net> from "IPG Sales" at Feb 19, 96 02:51:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk ----- Message body suppressed -----

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Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:10 PM 2/20/96 -0600, you wrote: >> ** fairly remarkable coincidences. Or is it that great minds >> think alike? > >heh, actually the Elementrix POTP sounds like plaintext-driven autokey >cipher and probably wouldn't be offensive if they weren't touting it as a >'OTP'... > Yes, that's true, but they also allude to "a large number of randomly spinning dice" [rotors?] of which some are selected by contents [perhaps] the autokey stream. This from a discussion held with the POTP people. The allusion to the numerous 'dice' is what suggested to me a similarity with the new [unknown but perfect, of course] system. The autokey of POTP was supposedly only part of the scheme....

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Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:00 PM 2/20/96 -0600, you wrote: >Derek - We accept the gaunlet that Cyperpunks threw down, We will >provide the complete set of algoritms and free demo systems - we will not be >asking you to sign a NDA or anything like that, but we do want it to be a >two way street - if we put our head in your guillotene, to be chopped >off by the warlord and his minions, then we expect you to perform >reciprocal actions. I'd like to go on record as being interested in looking at this. Thanks! > >There has never been an idea advanced, where the orginator was not >thought of as a crank - Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr., "Over Teacups" > But not all those thought of as cranks are originators of worthwhile ideas ...

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Re: Telephone card tech. howto needed
by Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Kristian Sagi wrote: [..] > Only 6 are connected ... Has anyone ideas, how this card works ... i > something like telephone card hardware tutorials or something ... I [..] What kind of telephone card? Probably a smart card with PK crypto which isn't so easy to defeat. In terms of technical details, check 2600 magazine (but avoid alt.2600, since there's more noise there than this group has) or do a web search. You might want to check other magazines like Hac Tic (no longer printed?) - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSqqvSoZzwIn1bdtAQHIMQF+N7aisKNZZ+wM7sSUSRxfo7cZ2DC1maxR 8i3tFjE8yPc6CPbuQf4j5vwcPBa64D9N =IPIj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Web Browsers and Anonymous Mail (Was: NSA net trolling)
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>(0) I'm not aware of any class library objects or methods in stand-alone Java >for calling the local mail transport agent. Is there any class library >support in Java+{Navigator, HotJava, Mosaic, NetCruiser, the AOL web tool, >etc.} for applet calls to the local mail agent that's configured in the >browser ? A look at the documentation does not show one. You may have to implement the whole MTA protocol yourself :-(. It does occur to me that such a library would only be possible in a browser that knows (via configuration) how to find MTAs. Good luck - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: JavaScript to grab email
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:33 PM 2/20/96 +0200, Jyri Kaljundi wrote: >Another annoying feature in JavaScript and Netscape. Have a look at ><http://www.popco.com/grabtest.html> > >The page uses JavaScript to steal your e-mail address and sends a test >e-mail message to the address it grabbed. It works with Netscape, which >is probably only browser supporting JavaScript. > >Probably there will soon be thousands of pages which include this code, >and people using Netscape 2.0 will be spammed with commercial messages. >So just put some false e-mail address in your Netscape browser to disable >this feature. >... Anyone know the email address of an email reflector that automatically sends everything sent (not bounced) to it back to the sender. Or I suppose I could use invalid names/domain names. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Chaotic physical systems as random number sources
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm curious if anyone knows of any attempts to use a chaotic physical system (such as the famous double pendulum) as a source of random numbers. I did an Alta Vista check on the problem, and all I turned up was a paper (in postscript, so I couldn't read it) on all mathematical pseudorandom number generators being logical chaotic systems. (It's at http://csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~herring/publications/rand.ps) One problem that I can see is that of strange attractors. While the path through each time would be different, they're still _close_ to each other, and a practical mechanical system might not be sensitive enough to pick up the differences. Thanks, -Allen

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Re: JavaScript to grab email
by Yanni 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I visited the page using a fake e-mail address, and have yet to be sent > a confirmation e-mail. When it sends the mail, netscape puts your email address that you put into the message in the From: field. This is what that JavaScript is doing. It is not reading any of your files or doing anything "illegal", it is just taking advantage of the way that Netscape sends email. ;) Obviously, either putting nothing or a bogus email address will cause you to not get a confirmation e-mail. It is one of those "why didn't I think of it" things. ;) Simple yet effective. :) -jon Jon S. Stevens yanni(a)clearink.com ClearInk WebMagus http://www.clearink.com/ finger pgp(a)sparc.clearink.com for pgp pub key My apologies for the loss of bandwidth. :-)

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