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DRAFT agenda for DC net-conference in early May
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I recently saw a DRAFT agenda for a day-long Net-conference to be held in early May, hosted by Congressmen Jack Fields and Rick White. Panels include Future of the Internet, Electronic Commerce, Intellectual Property, Law Enforcement and Encryption, and Education on the Net. Highlights include a POSSIBLE luncheon address by The Honorable Newt Gingrich. Thought DC-area cypherpunks might like an advance heads-up. -Declan

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WhoWhere.com v. that stanford.edu loon
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Several people asked for an update, so here it is. WhoWhere.com has been provided a dump of the password file that they may never have seen before, and they will be purging all 27,128 addresses therein from its database. Of course, many of those addresses may also be available from other, publicly available sources, and the Stanford community has been made well aware of whowhere.com's service (for user entries), so I expect that thousands of these addresses will return soon. I am confident that the Parsec folks are now acting in good faith, and that they are now sensitive to the relevant privacy and ethical issues. Myself, I'm cognizant of the hypocrisy and foolishness inherent in my position, but hey, we do what we can with what we got. Until the system is fixed, I gotta defend my people the best I can. I'm still reasonably serious about that "Hack Stanford Privacy" thing. If there is an easy way for outsiders to glean our whole kerberos namespace (outside of other major universities interconnected via AFS, and we'll get that fixed Real Soon Now), I want to know about it. - -rich [not on cypherpunks, so please Cc any responses] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMYWLdo3DXUbM57SdAQF9fAP+Pw4ra8Q5JfDy/DnmfrDauP5/4x+sH+SY qOwGk+GDgKW1p9yO+31OhuLsatPK5sXDGjTtwseRZXZXizylGmwQtgs2g9gQMxNR feZLyo0WBVnYw600ppms7nfay0uqEjM25nw/z+HDrUZ7VlWuAXZ/yctqLadiO3P8 +vCGbDfSQWA= =dP6F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[Joke] It Takes a Village
by cpunk＠remail.ecafe.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friend, Here's Timothy May, the self-appointed village headman. He's surrounded by a bunch of arse-kissing accolytes: -"Gosh, I thought that Java was garbage, but now that Tim mentions it, it's the best thing in the world" -"Tim's right, Java is terrific." Village Jester: "Tim's dead wrong. Java isn't good--it's great!" Then there's Perry Metzger, the local squire, who's embittered over the fact that, while he's got some worthwhile things to say, he's always overpowered by the "charisma" and new clothes of May. Jim Bell, village idiot. He's always good sport for the village bully, Black Unicorn. His pretentions aside ("the black unicorn has been in my family crest for a thousand years"), he is in actuality a short, portly Philadelphia accountant by the name of Irving Lipshitz-Groins. Cordially, Your village historian

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Re: On computer face recognition:
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:39 PM 4/29/96 -0400, you wrote: ><< "Results were successful (else why write about it?" >> > > > Another believer in the tooth fairy. Send this kid to the "Real World >Academic Life" bootcamp, please. No (sigh) I'm not a believer in the tooth fairy, nor a kid. I take the time and trouble to post to the list something of bona-fide value and interest and all you can do is snipe at some side-comment, tongue-in-cheek at that? I see we're not talkin' bout a 1-percenter here, are we? Let's see if you can't do something more useful next time. > >Note that I am not making any comment on the success of this particular >work. Probably because you haven't a clue. > >

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Re: The Joy of Java
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:45 PM 4/29/96, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Scott Brickner writes: >> I don't understand what you mean by "insufficiently powerful". It's as >> expressively powerful as most high-level languages, and computationally >> Turing equivalent. It's lack of power seems entirely in the performance >> arena, which may be solved, eventually. > >Java applications can't save files to disk or use data files on >disk. If you were, for instance, buying two CPU weeks of idle time on >some machines, you would need stuff like checkpointing or the ability >to save intermediate results. Java applications _can_ save files to disk, and read them. Further, even the presently-more-constrained applets can retrieve certain types of files. For example, "getImage" and "getAudioClip" methods. I mention this point for two reasons. First, it says the applet model is not forever and totally blocked from reading disk files. (And I would not be surprised to see additional file retrieval methods "allowed." To be sure, this raises more and more security issues to look at, but TANSTAAFL.) Second, the relevance for providing sources of entropy for Java applets. I haven't looked in detail, but I'll be willing to bet quite a bit that someone has already or soon will run a QuickCam video input, not to mention sound input, in a Java applet, and that this could easily be used as a source of entropy bits. --Tim Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Social Transformation, Not Tax Evision
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply to note from Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> 04/29/96 10:28am -0400 = "God fights on the side with the heaviest artillery. These days MarketEarth = has the heaviest artillery." just because you carry, like everyone else, carrying God's banners does not mean God is on your side, or the side with the heaviest artillery. God is on the side of those who have faith and charity-- nothing else required. the heaviest artillery is nothing more than man's pride, not his humility; pride will not bring you to the celestial kingdom, nor will you inherit the earth. -- Overseeing first-rate programmers is a managerial challenge roughly comparable to herding cats. cc: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>

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(fwd) E-Commerce Info. Needed
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reply directly to this person, and not me, please... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text From: aiq005(a)teix.uib.es Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:46:56 +0200 To: RAH(a)shipwright.com Subject: E-Commerce Info. Needed Status: U Dear sir, I'm doing a project on Security and E-Commerce. I would like to know if you could help me on my search of information on two subjects: * Graphics and statistics about the growth of the e-commerce in the last years, and also on the attacks to comercial sites on this period. * Future tendencies, projects... on e-commerce, and how security is going to affect the future on the commercial sites. When I say 'information' I'm talking about URL's (of course) Thanks a lot, and please forgive my bad use of English! Joan Andreu (Universitat de les Illes Balears) aiq005(a)teix.uib.es --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: Calling other code in Java applications and applets
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I understand that Sun is considering including a bignum package and possibly other crypto support in native form in a future release of Java. There has been considerable discussion of this on the coderpunks list. Apparently Sun has said they will release their crypto API within the next week or so. However these kinds of things are often delayed, in my experience. An earlier version of the crypto API was shared with Java developers at a meeting a few months ago, and the response was quite negative, according to list memebers. The class and method design in many cases seemed awkward, spotty, and inconsistent. Apparently there are also export considerations, with the NSA resisting the inclusion of too many explicitly crypto oriented classes. Hal

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"Scruffies" vs. "Neats"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(The version I apparently just sent out was not quite complete. I saved it in my mail program, intending to work on it later today, but it got queued for sending inadvertently. Sorry it got sent. But maybe it's just as well, as I can look at the commentary--if any--and make additions and clarifications later.) --Tim Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [Joke] It Takes a Village
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply to note from cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org 04/30/96 10:49am +0100 well, might as well flesh it out and get the rest of us who were slighted --and don't forget yourself. if you can not laugh at yourself occasionally, check your pulse = Friend, = = Here's Timothy May, the self-appointed village headman. = He's surrounded by a bunch of arse-kissing accolytes: = -"Gosh, I thought that Java was garbage, but now that Tim mentions it, = it's the best thing in the world" = -"Tim's right, Java is terrific." = = Village Jester: "Tim's dead wrong. Java isn't good--it's great!" = = Then there's Perry Metzger, the local squire, who's embittered over the = fact that, while he's got some worthwhile things to say, he's always = overpowered by the "charisma" and new clothes of May. = = Jim Bell, village idiot. He's always good sport for the village bully, = Black Unicorn. His pretentions aside ("the black unicorn has been in = my family crest for a thousand years"), he is in actuality a short, = portly Philadelphia accountant by the name of Irving Lipshitz-Groins. = = Cordially, = = Your village historian -- Overseeing first-rate programmers is a managerial challenge roughly comparable to herding cats.

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