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by A. Padgett Peterson P.E. Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Realy two questions - will treat each in order > I have followed the ongoing discussion on PGP security, remailers >and the like. I am wondering if the current trend with interactive Web >browsing, Java, etc, is not going to create a privacy problem every bit as >significant as insecure e-mail. As these "applets" become more >sophisticated are we not going to have to face up to the issue of dynamic >links to web sites that gather a lot of info from your computer as you >interact with it? It is possible to design a "prophylactic" environment that would control the interaction between your web browser and the PC. As was determined with FV's keystroke monitor, it only worked because nothing prevented it, not because nothing could prevent it. Such links can be prevented from gathering information but I suspect it would be more creative to feed it information that you would like others to believe. > My question is this: Would it be possible to create a web site that >would function along the same lines as remailers do? Something that would >allow a person to browse anonymously. This is a different question. By nature, web transactions are interactive which means that both sides must know how to reach each other. You could set up a limited proxy and load it with the preferred information but I suspect it would be easier to just send $20 and a requested username/password to a local provider for a PPP account. Would not be "anonymous" but if done carefully, the provider would not have to know who was using the account. In the case of my local provider, no proof of my identity was ever required and the entire set-up was done over the telephone (and I was not at home at the time). Did not try to hide my identity but could have. Warmly, Padgett

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Re: (Fwd) Gov't run anon servers
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mar 04, 1996 15:11:43, 'tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May)' wrote: > >At a Cypherpunks meeting a couple of years ago we spent some time >brainstorming this. It seemed plausible that a small outfit could make such >"remailer boxes" and sell them cheaply. (Hardware prices have plunged even >further.) > I had written on similar things over the past few months, on the "$20 Mixmaster" post. New hardware drives with replaceable media in the 100+ Mb range has developed. The Syquest 135 Mb drive, featured in the latest issue of _PC Mag_ can, with the parallel port version, reportedly boot. This means one can have the drive that weighs about two pounds and a $20 disk, place another OS on the disk, and have a very portable remailer system. I viewed the whole thing as more geared to the amateur market, whereby jr. high school students and the like could set up their own remailers, known only to a "small circle of friends." T.C. May's theory of the commercial "mom and pop" version is just as valid. One major way to "increase the noise level" is to greatly increase the number of remailer, especially small ones that may come and go based on little more than word of mouth advertising. Imagine two scenarios. In scenario one, the are two or three large xerox stores in a city. All advertise in the yellow pages and are known throughout the city as the place you go to have your xeroxing done. They all do a tremendous volumn of business. In scenario two, there are an enormous number of small stores with xerox machines, large numbers of home offices with the machines, and large numbers of people with word-of-mouth knowledge of friends with machines to use. What society is easier to crackdown on? --tallpaul PS: A week or two ago, someone posted a notice of anon remailers under Windows that was in alpha test and due in beta in about a month. Same thing. Same benefit.

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Re: Valentine Suprise
by William R. Butler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Duress
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:38 AM 3/4/96 +1000, Greg Rose wrote: > At 2:49 PM 3/3/96 -0500, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote: > One of the private pilot magazines reported that a small plane operator > used the code (because his airplane was, in fact, being hijacked). When he > landed the airplane, it was surrounded by LEA, and in the ensuing gun > battle, everyone on the airplane died. The went on to say that the safety > of the passengers and airplane are the pilot's primary responsibility and > that pilots should consider this incident when deciding to use the code. > >Actually, that is an urban legend which grew out >of a real incident. What actually happened was >that they thought the private pilot couldn't >really have been hijacked, so when he landed *he* >was arrested for creating a public nuisance or >something. It wasn't till later, when they found >the shotgun-toting druggie, that they believed >him... > >Greg Travis was the pilot's name, I imagine >AltaVista might find his original posting. My posting, not Dr. Dimitri Vulis'. I certainly don't remember your version as the one I personally read. The magazine could have been wrong, but I don't think my memory of the article is far enough off for them to be the same incident BTW - I think the magazine was "Flying". Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Truelly Random Numbers
by eggplant＠inlink.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Tim Fulbright wrote: >> >> Now I, a lurker for two months, am truelly confused! L. Deitweiler must be >> right. Surely one of you cyperpunk fellows could hack together a >>dongle with >> some kind of AD converter and buffer ram to gather a Truelly Random Bitstream >> off the environment every couple of milliseconds easier than this raindrop >> scheme or recording the fan, you're haviung me on!. Let's go back [..] > >The raindrop scheme was (politely) laughed off. As for the fan recording >scheme, it's a good make-do-with-what-you-already-have method, as opposed >to buying and/or building a card. > >A 'simple AD converter' isn't so simple. Especially if you want to be >sure you really have random noise and not something else that just looks >random. >- --- >[This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature >means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the >signature and forwarded.] > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 >Comment: Gratis auto-signing service > >iQBFAwUBMTz0nSoZzwIn1bdtAQGl6QF+P1V62qg+Mf5K+VN3q0Y1e6/A4EO4uLLr >WNxAbtE+OxQXFKnP7ajFUFBbnDLJxLmx >=4ysY >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Actually, I remember reading somewhere, a long time ago though, that the NSA had come up with an almost undoubtably random sequence by using random high altitude RF signals, scanning a certain frequency I guess. Then using it as the random number. Given the amount of RF transmisions world-wide and the addition of high-altitude interference, it should be completely random. Unless someone were to get their hands on you copy of it or happened to be hooked up to your reciever at the time of recording, there is no way they could figure it out. -- "... In Germany they first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me-and by that time no one was left to speak up..." Pastor Martin Niemoller ++++++++++++ ************************************** * Matthew Murphy ------------ eggplant(a)inlink.com * ---------- * http://www.inlink.com/~eggplant * The Web page is under construciton at this time though.. * Please don't mind the mess.... * ************************************** ++++++++++++ finger eggplant(a)inlink.com for my PGP key.

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In todays CyberTimes--"European Study Paints a Chilling Portrai
by Charles Anthony 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FYI - In today's CyberTimes: "European Study Paints a Chilling Portrait of Technology's Uses" By BRUNO GIUSSANI " A massive telecommunications interception network operates within Europe and, according to a new study circulating on the Internet, "targets the telephone, fax and e-mail messages of private citizens, politicians, trade unionists and companies alike." The article can be found at: http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/euro/022498euro.html

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Re: Jump Start ecash With IPhone
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When thinking about ecash-supported net.telephony, consider the attached message. -Declan ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Message-ID: <wlDDHkW00YUvAyuyMw(a)andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:14:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+(a)CMU.EDU> X-Andrew-Message-Size: 3344+0 To: Fight Censorship Mailing List <fight-censorship+(a)andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Long distance companies demand FCC net-regulation If the religious right doesn't succeed in pushing FCC Net-regulation with the cyberporn excuse, the long-distance giants will succeed by whining about I-Phone. I am starting to think that FCC regulation of the Internet is almost inevitable. With net-phone projects like Free World Dialup being covered in the New York Times, it may just be a matter of time. -Declan ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- FCC PETITIONED TO STOP MISUSE OF THE INTERNET! WASHINGTON, March 4 /PRNewswire/ -- The America's Carriers Telecommunication Association (ACTA), a trade association of competitive, long distance carriers today petitioned the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to stop companies from selling software and hardware products that enable use of the Internet to voice long distance services. A growing number of companies are selling software programs with ancillary hardware options that enable a computer to transmit voice conversations. This, in fact, creates the ability to "by-pass" local, long distance and international carriers and allows for calls to be made for virtually "no cost." For example, on-line service providers generally charge users around $10.00 for five hours of access and then around $3.00 for each additional hour. Five hours equals 300 minutes, divided by $10 is 3.3 cents per minute. The average residential long distance telephone call costs about 22 cents per minute or seven times as much. The Internet is a unique form of wire communications. The rapid growth of the Internet is stressing the capacities of the Internet itself. The Internet access points are growing at 50% per month with subscriber growth running close to 30% per month. Individuals are accessing the Internet for more and more business applications such as market research, news, and advertising with corporate web sites exploding, to say nothing about using the Internet for E- mail applications. ACTA submits that it is incumbent upon the FCC to exercise jurisdiction over the use of the Internet for unregulated interstate and international telecommunications services. Long distance and international carriers must be approved by the FCC to operate and must file tariffs before both the FCC and state public service commissions. All of these requirements are stipulated in the Communications Act of 1934 and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Technology may once again be surpassing government's ability to control its proper use. However, the misuse of the Internet as away to "by-pass" the traditional means of obtaining long distance service could result in a significant reduction of the Internet's ability to transport its ever enlarging amount of data traffic. Therefore, ACTA has petitioned the FCC to define the type of permissible communications which may be effected over the Internet. America's Carriers Telecommunication Association was founded in 1985 by independent long distance companies to serve the needs of small businesses and to advance the goals of more effective competition. ACTA's membership today includes over 130 companies engaged in providing telecommunications services. CONTACT: Charles H. Helein, general counsel, 703-714-1301, or Jennifer Durst- Jarrell, executive director, 407-332-9382, both of America's Carriers Telecommunication Association

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This came from Associated Press (27th Feb) : ============================================================================ Europe pushes Asian weapons sales KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia - Russia is doing it. So are Britain, France, Germany and Spain. Even neutral Sweden has joined the race to sell warplanes, missiles, tanks and warships for Asia's rapidly expanding arsenals. The Europeans, fighting an uphill battle against dominant U.S. competitors, are offering what the Americans sometimes won't - the newest, deadliest technology with no political strings attached. While post-Cold War budget cutting devastated the arms trade in the rest of the world, military spending in Asia is still rising. >From 1991 to 1994, Asian sales by Britain, France, Germany and Italy totaled $3.4 billion - a 30% increase over their sales in the 1987-1990 period, according to figures compiled by economist Digby Waller of the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London. By contrast, American weapons sales in the region were $5.4 billion in 1991-1994, a 7% decline from the previous three-year period. Despite widespread agreement that U.S. weapons makers are technologically superior, European producers have signed a flurry of deals with nearly every Asian country. According to military analysts, buyers were attracted by Europe's lower prices, equipment - like submarines - that the United States doesn't sell and - perhaps most important - the chance to avoid becoming dependent on American suppliers in case the United States cuts back future arms exports. In one of the most powerful signs of the Asian market's allure, Russia tossed out ideological considerations in favor of cash, selling its former Chinese rivals high-performance Sukhoi 27 jet fighters and the technology to make more. Thailand bought an aircraft carrier from Spain. Taiwan bought six frigates and 50 fighter jets from France. South Korea bought three German cruisers and Malaysia bought two British frigates. Sweden sold diesel-electric submarines to Thailand and Singapore. The United States no longer manufactures such vessels, partly in an attempt to halt their proliferation. Such submarines are very quiet and almost impossible to detect, even with sophisticated equipment. Some military analysts argue the unprecedented weapons buildup will ignite an arms race in a region crisscrossed by territorial disputes. They point to the growing military might of Japan, China and India and a series of smoldering regional disputes, including those between Taiwan and China and between North and South Korea. Asian governments counter that they're entitled to defend their territory. "It is wrong to see the purchase of defense equipment by countries in the region as an arms race,'' Singapore's defense minister, Tony Tan, said in a TV interview in January. "We and our ... neighbors are proceeding with plans to modernize our armed forces, now that our economies have grown and we have the resources to pay for better weapons and equipment.'' The biggest potential source of conflict in the region is China's feud with its Southeast Asian neighbors over oil and gas riches in the South China Sea. China has declared the entire region its territory, and sent warships to enforce the claim. While European governments try not to fuel arms races, they may sell to buyers who are refused American weapons for political reasons, said Paul Beaver, a military analyst for Jane's Information Group. Beaver pointed to the example of Britain's $35 billion deal to supply Tornado fighters and other weapons to Saudi Arabia after the United States balked at selling warplanes that could be used to attack Israel. "That has been seen by the Muslim countries in Southeast Asia as a strong sign that Britain doesn't attach the same political conditions to its sales as the United States does,'' he said in a telephone interview from London. Thailand wants to buy advanced American AMRAAM missiles to arm its new F-18 fighters. But because no other country in the region has a missile that sophisticated, the Clinton administration is hesitating for fear of sparking competition among Thailand's neighbors to match it. "If the United States did not want to sell AMRAAM missiles to Thailand, I wouldn't be surprised if France would be willing to sell a similar missile,'' said Pieter Wezeman, a researcher for the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Asian governments also appear to be buying European weapons to diversify their arsenals in case Washington shuts off their supply. "The United States has shown several times that they don't want to sell weapons to everyone, and so at any moment they might start an embargo,'' Wezeman said. In one of the region's biggest recent sales, Taiwan bought 210 fighter jets, splitting the order between French Mirage-2000s and U.S.-made F-16s after Washington first refused to sell and then approved fewer planes than Taiwan wanted. Pakistan, blocked by U.S. law from buying F-16s because of evidence it has built nuclear weapons, is reported to be shopping for French or Russian warplanes to fill the gap. By The Associated Press ============================================================================= no_one@unimportant.

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Re: Bombings, Surveillance, and Free Societies
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:42 AM 3/6/96, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 07:41 PM 3/4/96 -0800, Tim wrote: > >>Let me use the language Bill Stewart used a while back, language which >>skirts the issue of "right" and "wrong" even more neatly than I did (when I >>said the Jews were "asking for trouble"): >> >>"If a religious group uses force to expel the current occupants of a desert >>region, and expels them to just beyond their borders, it is "unsurprising" >>that those expelled, and their children, and their children's children, >>will swear a blood oath to drive the group into the sea." > >That wasn't me, though I've said similar things about terrorism against >governments - those that go out of their way to attack and harass people >shouldn't be surprised when people attack them in return. I'm pretty sure it was you. As I don't want to search through past posts to try to find your use of this, let me make it clear that the language I was referring to was what I quoted: "unsurprising." I think you pointed out that instead of talking about "right" and "wrong," charged as they are, one can instead talk about certain events being "unsurprising." If this was not your coinage, and no one else steps forward, then I'll gladly steal it and file the serial number off. --Tim May, a felon Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: NYT on Crypto Bills
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mar 4, 3:09pm, Adam Shostack wrote: > Markoff shouyld know better than this. There is a long > history of business use of codes & ciphers, going back hundereds of > years, and durring the heyday of the telegraph, there were fair size > companies that created codebooks with (locally configurable) > superencipherment systems for the market. Michael Helm writes: > I thought that, for the most part, the telegraph systems described > above were to reduce cable charges (1 code word instead of a 15-word > sentence, a huge savings in those days). At 8:00 PM 3/4/96 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Totally untrue. The use of encryption for business purposes goes back >centuries, and there were commercial providers of blank telegraph code >books all through the 19th century. The use of crptography to protect >communications only declined with the end of telegrams and the >reduction in the perception that large numbers of strangers would be >handling your missives. See "The Codebreakers" for a history of this. "The Codebreakers" describes (Footnote p516) that in 1939 the Allies prohibited the use of any codes, but business pressure made them relent and allow a fixed set of published commercial codes. On page 842, "The code compilers strove constantly to find new ways of reducing cable tolls for users -- this was, after all, their raison d'etre. ..." It also mentions (p839) a class of commercial code, mostly numeric, which lent themselves easily to superencipherment, which seemed to aim quite as much at secrecy as at economy. It also mentions that (p850) after WW2 the rising cost of labor (compared with communication) delt codes a mortal blow. It seems that both uses were important, with different emphasis for different users. Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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