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Re: Encyption of data between nodes across the net (fwd)
by NetSurfer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 01:57:18 GMT From: Alexander Oliver <harpua(a)RS6.TCS.TULANE.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list TCP-IP <TCP-IP%PUCC.BITNET(a)cmsa.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: Encyption of data between nodes across the net padgett peterson (padgett(a)tccslr.dnet.orl.mmc.com) wrote: : For one-time communications, I suspect that off-line encryption using : PGP/ViaCrypt, SecureExchange, or some other system would be easier : to use. I'd like to get the PGP encrypting/decrypting files. Does anyone know an anonymous ftps site from where they can be had? Thanks. Catch y'all on the rebound, --Alex (harpua(a)mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu)

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Re: cryptophone ideas
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:06 PM 04/21/94 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Hacking and reprogramming all the base stations is impossible. Its not >the same as reprogramming the phone. Its the difference between >learning French and getting everyone in the world to learn French. > >Perry Agreed, but two people can definitely learn french, and you can send a french dictionary to your friends... Passing instructions a la "ok, now use that cable you jus bought at radio shack and stick this wire there, and the other end in the back of the PC..." is still difficult, but nowhere nearly as impossible as getting your cousin who works in a diner firm to reburn his ROM. I wasn't looking at a global accessibility, more as a possibility for a small group. -j

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Re: Spotlight
by dmandl＠lehman.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: wcs(a)anchor.ho.att.com (bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204) > The Spotlight *used* to be a really revolting rag; some people I was > talking to recently who were selling it said they've tried to get rid > of the anti-Semitism and racist hate stuff that the Carto folks were pushing > and concentrate more on Truth (or whatever the conspiracy-wacko version of > Truth is at any given time :-). I didn't buy their magazine to find out > if it's really improved or if they're just saying it, but it was nice to > hear them say it. Bill-- Far as I know, things haven't really changed. What the Spotlight and other papers/organizations like it have been doing recently is trying to clean up their public image to gain respectability and a wider audience (look at David Duke himself, for example). They've been fairly successful, unfortunately. There's been an increased interest in the last few years in conspiracy theories and the like (an interest I share), and as a result the readership of papers like the Spotlight has been growing. I think that if you flipped through a copy of the Spotlight today, you'd merely get the impression that they're healthy skeptics trying to expose the misdeeds of the government and other evil conspirators. Fair enough. But their real agenda hasn't changed. My analysis: The recent growth of these organizations shows that there's been a real increase in interest in anarchistic ideas and distrust of authority among the general public. Good news. The bad news is that there are various vermin waiting in the wings to take advantage of people's openness to new and "radical" ideas. Caveat emptor. > The other magazine called "Spotlight" I've run into is the New Jersey > Symphony Orchestra's program handout, truly a hotbed of radical > something-or-other-ism :-) Sounds dangerous to me. I'd watch out. --Dave.

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Re: Spotlight
by f_griffith＠ccsvax.sfasu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The Spotlight *used* to be a really revolting rag; some people I was >talking to recently who were selling it said they've tried to get rid >of the anti-Semitism and racist hate stuff that the Carto folks were pushing >and concentrate more on Truth (or whatever the conspiracy-wacko version of >Truth is at any given time :-). I didn't buy their magazine to find out >if it's really improved or if they're just saying it, but it was nice to >hear them say it. > I got a copy in the mail in January and couldn't tell much difference from how it was several years ago. This might be because I was already familiar with their themes - someone who hadn't seen it before might not have recognized what lay behind some of their stuff.

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DId you ever think...
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: beckman(a)sauron.cs.hope.edu (Peter Beckman) > >Did anyone ever think that maybe, just maybe, PGP was developed, and before the >programmer started giving it away for free, that he was paid by the government >to give them the key which can unlock ANY PGP locked document/file/etc??? I No I didn't. I'll see Phil Zimmerman tomorrow in Boulder. I'm sure he'll find your conjecture ludicrous. -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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THE FREEDOM DAEMON
by Gary Jeffers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THIS ARTICLE IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. I WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE USE OR MISUSE OF INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS ARTICLE. I would like to introduce new terms & a new concept. The terms are "RECHATTERER", "RECHAT", & "CHATTERBOX" (with a new meaning). The idea i analogous to the remailer concept. Remailers are series of mailing software machines that hide the location & identity of the sender of a file. This is a very good idea for privacy & freedom on the Internet. An overlooked necessity for the Internet are retransmitters for both CHAT MODE & for the sending of commands. Note: Latter in this text, I'll introduce the term "FREEDOM DAEMON". File transfers cannot replace the need for the interactive chat mode & for command transmits. Hence, the need for CHATTERBOXES. The need for chat mode security is obvious. The need for command retransmitters is less obvious & has great possibilities. With command retransmitters much internet activity could be done without disclosing the location of the worker. Consider the possibility of telnets assisted with CHATTERBOXES. With CHATTERBOXES almost no Internet activity need give away the location of the worker. This of course would raise the safety level of hackers/crackers by at least a magnitude. This would of course raise concerns for computing safety on the Internet. On the other hand, hacking/cracking may be necessary for the future freedom of the Internet. The Feds are currently trying to hijack the Internet with their Information Highway fraud. The Feds will try to regulate the Internet traffic. I find it difficult to believe that they would tolerate the existence of remailers. How secure are remailers? Are they easy to find? With CHATTERBOXES, much of the danger of establishing remailers in the future could be avoided. Could the establishment of remailers be auto- mated with programmed CHATTERBOXES doing the work? I suggest the possi- bility of mainframe hacking as a method of secretly making outlaw re- mailers. I got this idea from a book carried by Loompanics. The excerpt follows. "One way to get around this problem - & to simultaneously overcome many of the problems that arise when one sets up a BBS - is to use your hacking skills to break into a mainframe far away from your house, & use IT for the site of your electronic bulletin board." From the book, SECRETS OF A SUPERHACKER by The Knightmare. Published & distributed by Loompanics Unlimited. Loompanics Unlimited PO Box 1197 Port Townsend, Wa 98368 Current(April 22, 1994) price of their main catalog is $5.00. Loompanics is a great book distributor & publisher that I have used for many years. It carries books on many unusual topics. For instance if you wanted a textbook on murder, terrorism, homemade explosives, writ- ing computer viruses, hacking computers, making recreational drugs, life extension, weird science, conspiracies, torture, or brain & mind improvement then I perceive you have a need for the Loompanics catalog. They also have other exciting categories as well. But back to the subject. I thought it was a fantastic idea to hijack the resources of a foreign computer & use them for a pirate BBS. The same thing should be able to be done with remailers & CHATTERBOXES. Another idea I have for fighting off the possibility of technological capture of the Internet by the Feds is the idea of the "FREEDOM DAEMON". A FREEDOM DAEMON could be thought of as a CHATTERBOX with the following capabilities added: 1. A remailer 2. Virus capabilities. It reproduces itself. 3. Worm capabilities. It is self contained in its code. 4. Trojan horse capabilities. It plants itself in foreign computers like a daemon or software service machine. 5. Ability to take orders from its parent or another ancestor FREEDOM DAEMON, or its original human programmer or by certified users. Order taking would be authorized by an RSA encryption scheme. 6. Ability to be interrogated by its parent or another ancestor FREEDOM DAEMON or its human programmer, or by certified users through an RSA scheme. Note: It may carry several keys for different levels of security access. 7. It may contain histories of its ancestors or progeny or both. The histories would require access by RSA keys. 8. It may contain genetic algorithms as it may meet with a lot of state hostility in the form of destruction by human & programmed hunters. The genetic algorithms could create more worthy FREEDOM DAEMONS. I have suggested that the use of FREEDOM DAEMONS would be to per- petuate remailers, CHATTERBOXES, & themselves. I think that the thought- ful Cypherpunk could think up a number of other uses. In the near future the Internet could lose much of its freedom & could become a more dan- gerous place for freedom lovers. CHATTERBOXES & FREEDOM DAEMONS with their ability to enable the Cypherpunk to send commands, do telnets, & perform other functions without disclosing his location could enable the Cypherpunk to manufacture other freedom software machines with at least a magnitude of safety greater than he had before. Who would program the CHATTERBOXES & FREEDOM DAEMONS? My first idea is to the guys who are programming remailers. Those unsung, unpaid heroes who are much like Dr. Frankenstein, working away on his big guy. Hackers & Crackers should have a certain taste & experience with the activities needed. It should provide a field day for computer science types & cryptographers. Creative "wild idea" people could help. OTHER THOUGHTS How do hackers & crackers get caught? Could Cypherpunk technology keep them safe? Imagine hackers/crackers with CHATTERBOXES & FREEDOM DAEMONS & digital reputations who don't know each other's true names & have no idea of each other's true locations. - hence unable to betray each other. Weak hacker/crackers would not endanger their strong asso- ciates. A chain only as strong as it's strongest link? Could they be as safe as their strongest technology? Right now, captured hacker/crackers roll over on their associates, their mothers, & their pet dogs. We as Cypherpunks can help to stop this carnage. Note that we Cypherpunks are politicos & made of sterner stuff. I also don't want to characterize ALL hacker/crackers as weak. By now, many Cypherpunks are asking themselves just what the fuck I am doing concerning myself with the welfare of hacker/crackers & implying that Cypherpunks should do the same. Cypherpunks are saying aren't these people sort of well - UNSAVORY? - I have never tasted them. But on a more serious note: in a future Internet ravaged by state power grabs, many Cypherpunks may be in the position of today's hacker/crackers & may have their security concerns. Today, Cypherpunks write code, tomorrow they hack/crack? Wouldn't this proposed technology turn the Internet into the Wild West? Yes, it would. On Internet chat, there is a channel called #freedom. On this channel for years the people have chatted to each other in code. They talk quickly & seem to be unimpeded by the code. Well, I guess "we've" already gotten coded on the fly Iinternet chat. Well, Cypherpunks, I've been up to enough today. Maybe tomorrow I'll discuss my BLACK NET PEACE CORE plans. In the meantime- PUSH EM BACK! PUSH EM BACK! WWWAAAYYY BBBAAACCCKKKK! BBBEEEAAATTTT STATE! Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers

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Did you ever think...
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Did anyone ever think that maybe, just maybe, PGP was developed, and > before the programmer started giving it away for free, that he was > paid by the government to give them the key which can unlock ANY PGP > locked document/file/etc??? No.

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Liberty net?
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Did anyone on this group give my email address to some pyramid-subscription scheme called 'Liberty net'? I'd quite like to know which of my 'friends' (as it says in the advert) was responsible... Thanks G

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clipper/chosen plaintext attacks
by Matt Thomlinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

even with plaintext/ciphertext pairs, it has been shown that hundreds of millions of pairs are needed to determine anything about the key involved (DES). I'm sure some of the many responses to your post will include more precise facts. Matt Thomlinson University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. phone: (206) 548-9804 Check my home page -- ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/phantom/home.html PGP 2.2 key available via email, or finger phantom(a)hardy.u.washington.edu

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How to explain...
by Jim Sewell - KD4CKQ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi folks! I have something I'm sure someone on the list can help with. I need to explain to someone who is "mostly-illiterate" about computers why it is so difficult to break an RSA or DES type code. This person is a good user and a beginning programmer. I understand intuitively, but not well enough to explain it. His thinking is that if you have formula X to go from plain to crypt then just reverse X and you'll have the decryption algorithm. He figures that reversing a math formula could be difficult, but given a desire and a few weeks that nearly any formula can simply be reversed. If you can explain it well and simplistically I'd appreciate it. (As I said, I intuitively understand, but can't explain it well.) Thanks, Jim -- Tantalus Inc. Bringing people together Jim Sewell-KD4CKQ 2407 N. Roosevelt Blvd. to have a little fun. Internet: jims(a)mpgn.com Key West, FL 33041 CIS: 71061,1027 (305) 293-8100 "We keep coding and coding and coding..."

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