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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

whgiii(a)invweb.net wrote: > There is a simple solution to that don't work for one if you don't like > their policies. I agree; that's why I don't. But I see an inconsistency here. PGP keep telling us that CMR isn't so bad because you can work around it, or superencrypt, or otherwise avoid the company's right to snoop on all communications. Yet you, who believe in this right, support CMR, which can be used to defeat that right, over simple escrow of employee's corporate communication keys. Why? Again, I'm not saying that the companies have no such right. Personally I'd rather escrow my corporate key than see widespread CMR in its current form. Mark

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RE: Hair loss? Check this out!
by biz＠t-1net.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Kent Crispin wrote: > Indeed. It's just as idiotic as people being killed for > receiving encrypted mail in Iraq. It is, however, just as > possible, and anyone who believes the contrary obviously hasn't > worked for a big company before; I've seen them do far, far, > more idiotic things in the past. -=> Quoting In:whgiii@invweb.net to Harka <=- In> There is a simple solution to that don't work for one if you In> don't like their policies. Sometimes it seems, as if the people advocating the "business-reality" are furthest removed from it. The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have kids) I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times nobel-prize-winner (with lots of money in stocks), who can AFFORD to choose employers that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to have a job AT ALL, regardless of their policies! Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... The facts, although interesting, are usually irrelevant. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFEPMzltEBIEF0MBAQFKogf+MyQ/DGjqtDzS/zFJzl1YX75OgDMi313x r4SJcWam4VW2fgSQ6Jq1CsX8IgTKJZkIJOWzf2HojFS6FLsdL5cRrf6O+dBcBa8t 2i+P5ZIi8zM6G5HqoHr+nGEPlT0MnoYqjeSVIMSdGVugBRuSzZV0R7trxXSvZkUc 9cDu5eOdUsfG3KB3LRy5puktfYhY/YQUwidqJz2TuICpj41EFtzLnHKgjBZ/B1eL 8i7uZCGD77oImmD7Cs3gzmYEwcjyw94lPgHZbory+J+CScFUddmLC8HsyVjUKytQ HPOqV0TOP828FVz/JrZ5KS+oZgvKSMPLY/Rv75XhIZB7uUGTnCt89w== =TL8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't think you know who I am, but I wrote this message. These are "my" words, but "I" am anonymous. So I am wondering - who owns these words? Who owns the words of an anonymous author, who is responsible for the actions of an unknown party, and who is to say that this is so?

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > at 05:38 PM, harka(a)nycmetro.com said: > The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument > will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can > survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have > kids) > I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times > nobel-prize-winner (with lots of money in stocks), who can > AFFORD to choose employers that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to > have a job AT ALL, regardless of their policies! -=> Quoting In:whgiii@invweb.net to Harka <=- In> Sorry, your sloth and lack of ambition is no excuse to deny me In> my rights. An employer only owes you to what is agreed on when In> you enter into a contractual agreement of employment. For you In> clock punching 9 to 5'ers that means you show up to work, you In> do your work, and at the end of the week you get your check. In> You don't like the company, or their policies, or the color of In> the bosses tie, too bad don't let the door hit you in the ass In> on the way out. In your excitement you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say: Implying, that the freedom of an (average) person does not get infringed by (privacy-intrusive) policies "because they can always choose a different company" is IMHO plainly incorrect and out of day-to-day reality for most people. (Also note, that I am not saying companies don't have the right to have such policies) The truth is, that even with proper (college and beyond) education and sincere effort to make something happen for yourself, it takes quite a bit to get to a point of being totally free to choose your employer based on mere policies. And that will probably not change for most people. [glorious deeds deleted] In> The reason people like you are "DAMN GLAD to have a job AT In> ALL" is because you don't do anything to make yourself more In> marketable in the corporate world. Do you really expect single mothers with 3 kids to have the time to do it to the degree of being able to _freely choose_ their employers?? Or even Joe Average, who just came out of College and has $100 000 school-loan-debt? My point being, that not everybody is in a position to make themselves "more marketable" to the point of having companies begging for you, even if they wanted to. And that applies to most people. (Congrats to the fortunate exceptions.) Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... I have a byte, and I'm not afraid to use it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFEsrTltEBIEF0MBAQGb+gf+KsL58w0CKuLLA1h2q62QNarQGjWzfi/u zdgdoNE1+29VHt3wuJ1ybCp6fcTg0RPjXagDb/kwh5WMCSCice7KnFNx9SKdLuPn /9/eRjjKyP+YWjM3zBILMRzf58HqNVy333CZRk7RtJcYt6e6aqlxrIh7T1F/ujMb wYP9n+teDuy0dxh1i3n8354Kg99lfndDS5VTMPCBoS1TmSHbtIGdvmJpc00VuTiw Kk3gJ0l53j4fC/hmWuXacqCypnCqh9M8s4j+6MzTY/tGcs2YJQuAeQ9gVzvSYBKf Oi+lHYxd4rTBGALYf6SOk+k92YvIA8zP99w401So9v9rLYvf7V9+yA== =H2nX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: CMR versus GAK? (fwd) > Right to monitor (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:00:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: CMR versus GAK? (fwd) > Right to monitor > >The bottem line is: > > >Does the owner of a resource have an inherent right to control that > >resource and if so what are the boundaries? > > Yes, and the boundaries should be very few. Things like just because you > own a hammer doesn't give you the right to hit people over the head. But > as far as setting policies on how a resource can be used and what > conditions must be met before using them it should be without limit. If > you don't like it the don't use it and go get your own. But what are the boundaries? How do you tell when a particular action has crossed them? > >Does the user of a resource have rights outside the purvue of the owner > >of that resource and if so what are the boundaries? > > No they do not. If the user of a resource does not like the conditions set > by the owner for the use of that resource then they should not use it. They don't? What if the resource is a requirement for a normal life? Is simple ownership a license to steal or abuse? How do you even describe them in a general sense? What if the owner of a resource decides to change the fair use policy? Shouldn't the user have a say in what those conditions are? Is simply agreeing to be a user of a resource license for the owner to use that dependency to manipulate the user? No, your answers are better than the other persons but not by much. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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NAMBLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks on f-c and cypherpunks have mirrored holocaust revisionist web pages, banned books, and censored newspapers. Now I understand that NAMBLA is in danger of losing its home on the web. Anyone up for mirroring the (text-only) publications of perhaps the world's most controversial organization? -Declan

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Re: Gun Control brings on a New Arms Race
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >All I bought were some lasers, some .223 vest-piercers, and a few special >parts for my Colt HBAR. Oh, and I took delivery on a so-called "assault >pistol"--30 rounds of .223 rifle ammunition in a package that fits under an >overcoat. I'll be ready for the November Raids. .............................................. If we ever get into a real domestic war, I wanna go stay with Tim, what with that arsenal stocked in his closet. :>) .. Blanc

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Internet drives productivity [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > INTERNET TO RELENTLESSLY DRIVE PRODUCTIVITY > > Reuters > 24-OCT-97 > > > By Neil Winton, Science and Technology Corresdpondent LONDON, Oct 24 > (Reuters) - Information technology is being lauded as the surprise > provider of ever increasing wealth without inflation. > > Economists in the United States are scratching their heads to solve a > problem which the busineses schools suggested was impossible. > > How is the U.S. economy still powering ahead in top gear with low > unemployment without incurring inflation? > > Information technology is getting the credit, but productivity gains > notched up from the use of computers have been overlooked by > government statistics. > > As the Internet age gathers momentum companies around the world will > be able to slash costs and gain access to markets which would have > been impossibly expensive before. > > Last week Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said real > productivity gains associated with computers and telecommunications > may not have been fully realised yet. > > Information technology experts agree. ``The Internet makes smaller and > remote companies look big and next door,'' said Bill Rosser, research > director at the information technology consultancy Gartner Group in > Stamford, Connecticut. > > ``You can put up your website and your products and bring a presence > to a much broader market. Because of its rich delivery capacity a > small company in Lichtenstein can win business from General Motors,'' > Rosser said. > > ECONOMIC IMPACT DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT > > The economic impact of information technology is undoubted, but > difficult to pinpoint. > > The problem for economists is how to accurately measure output and > productivity in service industries such as banking, law firms, > software and services companies generally, which account for an ever > increasing percentage of the U.S. and other wealthy economies. > > It was relatively easy to add up the number of widgets produced and > divide the cost by the number of workers employed, but it's not so > easy to measure the impact of information technology. > > ``It's hard for economists to figure this out. I think it's really > based on problems with measuring how companies use IT to reduce the > number of people needed to do certain tasks,'' said Eilif Trondsen, > research director at consultants SRI International in Menlo Park, > California. > > ``Companies like GE (General Electric Co ), and Cisco Systems Inc are > finding ways of doing things with a fraction of the people they used > to need, using the Internet,'' Trondsen said. > > GE is one of the U.S.'s biggest companies with major businesses in > power generators, appliances, lighting, plastics, medical systems, > aircraft engines, financial services and broadcasting. GE earned net > profits of $7.28 billion in 1996. Revenues were $79.2 billion. > > Cisco provides the ubiquitous equipment which links computers across > telephone lines over the Internet, pumping electronic mail and digital > data around the world. Last year revenues jumped 80 percent to around > $4 billion. > > Bob Chatham, senior analyst at technology researcher Forrester in > Cambridge, Massachusetts, points to novel ways that costs can be cut > using computers. > > ``GE in its procuring of supplies and materials can save 15 to 20 > percent buying online. Some firms can reduce the cost of a purchase > order from $45 to around a dollar fifty. New companies like Free > Markets Online will run an (virtual) auction for you and cut costs > about 22 percent,'' Chatham said. > > Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania based Free Markets Online targets markets > such as plastic injection moulding or metal casting in which hundreds > of companies compete for contracts, and sets up virtual auctions using > its software to make the cheapest possible deals. > > HOW INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY HELPS BUSINESS > > SRI's Trondsen said the use of information technology can create a > seamless flow of information through a company so that it can become > more productive. Orders flow in and automatically trigger inventory > and production decisions which have a big positive impact on > productivity. Bills are settled electronically. > > ``The Internet helps companies find suppliers they didn't even know > existed,'' according to Trondsen. > > Gartner's Rosser said IT can make more information available to > workers to let them make decisions on their own where supervisors > would have needed to intervene previously. > > ``It makes them smarter. It enlarges the jobs because they've got the > data. You don't have to talk to the supervisor, you see it (the data) > and bingo, take action,'' Rosser said. > > ``This is bringing huge improvements, but we are not seeing this in > economic statistics. Now the future is with the Internet, that's what > Greenspan was talking about,'' said Rosser. > > ``This is all about maximising the use of your intellectual > capacity.'' > > But won't all this labour saving technology result in huge swathes of > unemployment around the world, and leave the competition in places > like Europe in permanent second place? > > SRI's Trondsen said Europe will catch up, but more bureaucratic > organisations which lack the necessary corporate culture will have > problems. > > According to Rosser, short term upheavals will become long term > benefits for all. > > ``Well yes, the buggy-whip makers will always go out of business. Most > long term studies show lots of temporary problems, but ultimately we > will get workers applied elsewhere to produce more goods and value > added services,'' Rosser said.

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Hi-tech sell-off drowns Dow [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Dow drowns in tech sell-off > Blue chips shed over 130 points in second straight day of steep > declines > October 24, 1997: 5:37 p.m. ET > NEW YORK (CNNfn) - Tumbling technology stocks and lingering concerns > over the fate of the Hong Kong market dealt a heavy blow on U.S. stock > markets Friday with the Dow industrials suffering severe losses for > the second day in a row. > [INLINE] Dow Jones industrial average closed 132.36 points lower at > 7,715.41 after starting the day as high as 7,939.61. The blue-chip > index lost 0.75 percent Friday and ended the week 1.69 percent, or > 132.61 points, below last week's close. > [INLINE] In broader markets, the technology-laden Nasdaq was down > 20.33, or 1.22 percent, at 1,650.92, 15.96 points lower on the week. > The S&P 500 index fell 9.06 at 941.63, ending the week 2.54 points > down. > [INLINE] On the New York Stock Exchange declines led advances, 1,508 > to 1,337, with almost 680 million shares changing hands. > [INLINE] Friday's market collapse was triggered by a heavy sell-off in > technology stocks after several downgrades in semiconductor stocks and > a plant-delay announcement by Intel. > [INLINE] Spectrian (SPCT) led losers trading on the Nasdaq, plunging > 15-7/8 to close at 26-1/4. The stock was downgraded by Morgan Stanley > to "neutral" from "outperform" and by UBS Securities to "hold" from > "buy" on concerns over future orders. Those worries appeared to > outweigh the company's report of 60 cents per share in quarterly > earnings, beating Wall Street estimates of 53 cents. The company makes > power amplifiers for wireless communications firms. > [INLINE] UBS downgraded several other semiconductor stocks, because of > concerns over the Asian currency crisis' effect on sales. Among these > stocks, Applied Materials (AMAT), closed 3-3/4 lower at 33-1/4, > topping the most actively traded list on Nasdaq with over 61 million > of the company's shares changing hands. Novellus (NVLS), down 3 at > 48-3/8, and CFM Technologies (CFMT), off 5-5/8 at 23, were also in the > list of downgraded companies and suffered declines. > [INLINE] Other technology stocks that took a beating Friday included > Intel (INTC), down 1-7/8 at 80, after the company said it would > postpone the opening of a $1.3 billion Texas semiconductor plant. > Intel said a decline in demand for "flash" memory chips was the reason > behind the delay. The plant is now expected to open in late 2000. > [INLINE] Earlier in the day, an almost 7 percent gain in Hong Kong's > Hang Seng index following Thursday's record point decline spread over > into European markets and later also on Wall Street. The Hang Seng > gained 718.04 points to close at 11,144.34 in what was its > second-biggest one-day point gain. > [INLINE] But the good news from Asia was soon outweighed by concerns > over the future direction of the Hong Kong market. This, coupled with > Wall Street's technology woes, led to a tumble in other world markets > too. In London, the FTSE 100 index closed off 21.3 at 4,970.2, and in > Paris the CAC-40 ended down 7.84 at 2,849.03. Frankfurt's DAX, the > only major index to finish the day in positive territory, gained 73.61 > to 4,050.87. > [INLINE] U.S. bond markets also had a choppy day Friday as the Hong > Kong-inspired flight to quality came to an abrupt end. The benchmark > 30-year Treasury closed 12/32 higher to yield 6.28 percent after > testing both sides of unchanged. > [INLINE] Gold company shares weighed on the market as well, down > steeply following news of a Swiss proposal to sell 1,400 metric tons > of gold as part of an overhauling of the Swiss constitution. Shares of > Newmont Mining (NEM) fell 3-3/8 to 41-9/16, Barrick Gold (ABX) dropped > 1-15/16 to 21-5/8, and Homestake Mining (HM) was off 1-7/16 at > 13-13/16. > [INLINE] Among other market movers, cosmetics giant Avon (AVP) was up > sharply after its stock was upgraded by several Wall Street firms. > Smith Barney raised its rating of the company to "buy" from > "outperform," Goldman Sachs raised it to "outperform" from "perform" > and PaineWebber raised it to "attractive" from "neutral." Avon shares > closed 6-7/8 higher at 73-3/4. > [INLINE] Other net gainers included Amazon .com (AMZN). Shares in the > on-line book retailer rose 6-5/16 to 60-5/16 because its third-quarter > loss was lower than expected. > [INLINE] Topping the NYSE's most-active-shares list: Boeing (BA), > which slipped 9/16 to close at 48-1/2. The company reported an > expected loss of 72 cents a share in the third quarter, compared with > a profit of 48 cents in the third quarter last year. Boeing's loss > included a $1.6 billion charge related to severe production delays. > [INLINE] IBM (IBM), after posting gains early in the day, succumbed to > the technology sector's decline and lost 2-1/4 to 98-1/8. Among other > stocks that took a hit were Texas Instruments (TXN) which plummeted 9 > to close at 111-7/8. > [INLINE] Computer retailer Gateway 2000 (GTW) shares were down 1/2 at > 30-3/4 after the company reported a loss of $107.1 million, or 68 > cents a share, after the market close Thursday. The loss included a > $113.8 million pre-tax charge and compares with a profit of $60.7 > million, or 39 cents a share, in the year-ago period. Link to top > [INLINE] --by staff writer Malina Poshtova Zang > djia > Dow Industrials

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