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by jim bell 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

mail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cypherpunk= s(a)cpunks.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com= ), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe= rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 = "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y= ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi= lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org= /ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell =20 ------=_Part_1164330_120160450.1442874412718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He= lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo= nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095= 02_20809"><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvet= icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s= ize:13px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20808"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525= yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18459"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144= 2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s= eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095= 02_18459"><span>      Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none= "> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525y= qt8385359817" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqt05665"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16= _0_1_1442825109502_18470" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neu= e, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D= "yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18469" style=3D"font-family:Helvet= icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s= ize:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 18468"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br clear=3D"none"> <font id=3D"yiv51= 82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp= an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo= .com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>= </b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style= =3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail= .com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy= pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:= bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none= "> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper = on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51= 82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921= 9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui= _3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825= 109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti= caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si= ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49= 59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &= nbsp;  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur= l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&= cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a= mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2= Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL= _lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/= url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am= p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY= &url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09= %2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2= =3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div= dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br = clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_= 1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8= 941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5= 182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><= /div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><= span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e= ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your = research, and its potential consequences.   Superficially, and certain= ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay), &nbsp= ;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons= truction and operation of "criminal contracts".   One problem that I s= ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh= at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime.  W= orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil= l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210= 6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l= tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5= 182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th= at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"= rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"= href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009= ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<= /a>    ,    <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi= v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:= //www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http= ://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =     and  of Bob Murphy,  </span><span class=3D"yiv51821= 06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si= ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta= te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144= 2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin= e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"= yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font= -weight:bold;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">murphy17= </span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h= eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525= yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;= font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span>  &nb= sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.= )  as well as by R.  Sukumaran   <a rel=3D"nofollow" sh= ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5597" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysi= s/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_040= 4.html" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://www.idsa.in/s= trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket= _rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525y= ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" i= d=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">Further, consider<br cle= ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251= 09502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yu= i_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id= =3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6139" target=3D"_blank" href=3D= "https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/ana= rchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md">htt= ps://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchi= sm/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md</a></div= ><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br c= lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5058"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_1= 6_0_1_1442825109502_6418" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://c4ss.org/conten= t/1157">https://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id= =3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div>= <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><a rel= =3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 6562" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" style=3D"backgroun= d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"= ></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear= =3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109= 502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_= 1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An= archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca= pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument= s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di= r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"= none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16= _0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea= r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510= 9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui= _3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, = technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply= did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will.  And th= at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y= iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div = dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps = you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal = contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs= p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w= ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv= 5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">        &nbs= p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><= br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 6738"><br clear=3D"none"></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428= 25109502_4963" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic= a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106= 525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Hel= vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> = <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <div = class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20829= "><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yq= t9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd98087"><hr id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16= _0_1_1442825109502_5198" size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1= _1442825109502_4964" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3= _16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510= 9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels= @cornell.edu><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To= :</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa= n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin= g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D= "none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se= ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502= _5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr= iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51= 82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518= 2106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"= ><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3= _16_0_1_1442825109502_4968"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4967"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</di= v> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4969"><br clear=3D"none"= > </div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your= original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es= say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o= ut in January).</div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4972"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4971"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri"><br clear=3D"none"> </font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4973"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4974"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri"><br clear=3D"none"> </font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4975"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri">AJ</font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4976"><br clear=3D"none"= > </div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4977"><br clear=3D"none"= > </div> <span id=3D"yiv5182106525OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"> </span><div class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><br cle= ar=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yqt8434586631" id=3D"yiv518210= 6525yqt23677"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4979" styl= e=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-= BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:= 0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none= ;PADDING-TOP:3pt;"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502= _4984"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4983"><div id=3D"= yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4982" style=3D"color:#000;backgroun= d-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, L= ucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442033498384_3518" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,= Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id=3D"yi= v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3517" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaN= eue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:= 16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5182106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3= _16_0_1_1442033498384_3516"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106= 525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3515"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14= 42033498384_3514" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Hel= veticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fon= t-size:16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yqt0142132509" id=3D"yiv5182106525= yqt48324"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3903" style=3D= "font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande= , sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14408785= 65794_3902" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, = Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yi= v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3901"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3908" size=3D"2" face= =3D"Arial"><b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3912"><span id= =3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3911" style=3D"font-weight:bold= ;">From:</span></b> jim bell <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto= =3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@ya= hoo.com">jdb10987(a)yahoo.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3520"><span id=3D"yiv51821= 06525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3519" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span= ></b> "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.e= du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</= a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_= 1442825109502_4991" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nof= ollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank= " href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com= " target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>= >; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.e= du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</= a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.= edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<= /a>>; Cpunks List <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail= to:cypherpunks@cpunks.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:cypherpunks@cpu= nks.org">cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org</a>> <br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3522"><span id=3D"yiv51821= 06525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3521" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</sp= an></b> Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3914"><span id=3D"yiv51821= 06525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<= /span></b> Your paper on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font></div> <div class=3D"yiv5182106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1= _1440878565794_3904"> <br clear=3D"none"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3906"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3905" style=3D"color:#00= 0;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic= a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065= 25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari= juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap= e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m= ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba  <a r= el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target= =3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : =   I've found a reference to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065= 25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini= tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs= p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."   Perhap= s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s= imilar subject.  I called it "Assassination Politics".  cryptome.org/ap= .htm .                 Jim Bell</di= v> </div> </div> <br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></div> </div></div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div> </div></div><div c= lass=3D"yiv5182106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd06395"> </div><= /div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd4895= 2"> </div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div> <= /div> </div></div> </div></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_1164330_120160450.1442874412718--

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Re: CDR: Question re diskette data security
by Jim Choate 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie >higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where >are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a >AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp >routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there >it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more >complicated for multi-layer disks. > >Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department. But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you have the contents, you still might have to do that) Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my ignoragce is welcome.

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FC: Organized crime groups going online, report says -- beware!
by Declan McCullagh 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Excerpts: >Indeed, it is possible that some jurisdictions will >increasingly seek to exploit a permissive attitude to attract >business, creating information safe havens (paralleling offshore tax >havens and bank secrecy jurisdictions) that make it difficult for law >enforcement to follow information trails, and offering insulated >cyber-business operations from which illicit businesses can operate >with a minimum of interference. >In addition, of course, organized crime groups use the Internet for >communications (usually encrypted) and for any other purposes when >they see it as useful and profitable. Indeed, organized crime is >proving as flexible and adaptable in its exploitation of >cyberopportunities as it is in any other opportunities for illegal >activity. The implications are far-reaching and require a response >from government that is strategic, multi-level, multilateral, and >transnational in nature. >The Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime, >largely supported by the United States, is the first major step in >this direction and can be understood as the beginning of the process >of setting norms and standards that national governments ultimately >will be expected to meet in their legislative, regulatory, and >enforcement efforts. Background on Council of Europe treaty: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02173.html -Declan **********

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VIA Pulls PadLockSL
by brian-slashdotnews＠hyperreal.org 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/16/1215204 Posted by: michael, on 2004-04-16 12:43:00 Topic: encryption, 39 comments from the up-down-up-down dept. [1]yipyow writes "A few weeks ago [2]VIA Technologies posted software based on [3]Nullsoft's [4]WASTE, as reported here [5]a few days ago. VIA PadLockSL included both a Windows and Linux client and some special extensions to work with [6]security hardware built into certain VIA products. It was released under the GPL so I managed to snag a copy of the source code right before VIA suddenly removed their page ([7]Google cache). I have posted Linux compilation instructions and mirrored the source [8]here. If VIA has decided not to pursue the project further, I think the F/OSS community should turn this project into something, it has potential to be a great tool." [9]Click Here References 1. http://sqrville.org/ 2. http://www.via.com.tw/ 3. http://www.nullsoft.com/ 4. http://waste.sourceforge.net/ 5. file://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/14/132238&tid=93 6. http://www.via.com.tw/en/padlock/padlock_initiative.jsp 7. http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:tQk9omvJNOcJ:padlocksl.viaarena.com/+p… locksl&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 8. http://projects.sqrville.org/staticpages/index.php?page=padlocksl-linux-howt 9. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2872&alloc_id=7019&site_id=1&request_id=414783&o… click&page=%2farticle%2epl ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: Megaupload.com seized
by Steven Bellovin 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

On Jan 19, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > I would agree. They've dotted every i and crossed every t here. > > This will inevitably be followed by a prosecution of some sort and/or > there's also scope for Megaupload to sue the USG for restitution. > > It'll be interesting to see how this pans out - especially wrt any > safe harbor provisions in the DMCA for providers (which do have a > provision for due diligence being exercised etc). Note this from the NY Times article: The Megaupload case is unusual, said Orin S. Kerr, a law professor at George Washington University, in that federal prosecutors obtained the private e-mails of Megauploadbs operators in an effort to show they were operating in bad faith. "The government hopes to use their private words against them," Mr. Kerr said. "This should scare the owners and operators of similar sites." And see 17 USC 512(c)(1)(A) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html) for why that's significant. --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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by jim bell 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

mail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cypherpunk= s(a)cpunks.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com= ), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe= rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 = "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y= ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi= lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org= /ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell =20 ------=_Part_1164330_120160450.1442874412718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He= lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo= nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095= 02_20809"><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvet= icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s= ize:13px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20808"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525= yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18459"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144= 2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s= eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095= 02_18459"><span>      Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none= "> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525y= qt8385359817" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqt05665"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16= _0_1_1442825109502_18470" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neu= e, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D= "yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18469" style=3D"font-family:Helvet= icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s= ize:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 18468"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br clear=3D"none"> <font id=3D"yiv51= 82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp= an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo= .com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>= </b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style= =3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail= .com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy= pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:= bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none= "> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper = on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51= 82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921= 9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui= _3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825= 109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti= caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si= ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49= 59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &= nbsp;  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur= l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&= cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a= mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2= Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL= _lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/= url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am= p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY= &url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09= %2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2= =3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div= dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br = clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_= 1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8= 941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5= 182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><= /div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><= span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e= ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your = research, and its potential consequences.   Superficially, and certain= ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay), &nbsp= ;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons= truction and operation of "criminal contracts".   One problem that I s= ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh= at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime.  W= orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil= l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210= 6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l= tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5= 182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th= at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"= rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"= href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009= ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<= /a>    ,    <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi= v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:= //www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http= ://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =     and  of Bob Murphy,  </span><span class=3D"yiv51821= 06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si= ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta= te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144= 2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin= e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"= yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font= -weight:bold;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">murphy17= </span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h= eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525= yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;= font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span>  &nb= sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.= )  as well as by R.  Sukumaran   <a rel=3D"nofollow" sh= ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5597" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysi= s/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_040= 4.html" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://www.idsa.in/s= trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket= _rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525y= ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" i= d=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">Further, consider<br cle= ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251= 09502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yu= i_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id= =3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6139" target=3D"_blank" href=3D= "https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/ana= rchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md">htt= ps://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchi= sm/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md</a></div= ><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br c= lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282= 5109502_5058"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_1= 6_0_1_1442825109502_6418" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://c4ss.org/conten= t/1157">https://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id= =3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div>= <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><a rel= =3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 6562" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" style=3D"backgroun= d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"= ></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear= =3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109= 502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_= 1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An= archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca= pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument= s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di= r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"= none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16= _0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea= r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510= 9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui= _3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, = technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply= did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will.  And th= at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y= iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div = dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps = you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal = contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs= p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w= ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv= 5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">        &nbs= p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><= br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_= 6738"><br clear=3D"none"></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428= 25109502_4963" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic= a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106= 525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Hel= vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> = <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <div = class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20829= "><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yq= t9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd98087"><hr id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16= _0_1_1442825109502_5198" size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1= _1442825109502_4964" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3= _16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510= 9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels= @cornell.edu><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To= :</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa= n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin= g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D= "none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se= ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502= _5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr= iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51= 82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518= 2106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"= ><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3= _16_0_1_1442825109502_4968"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4967"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</di= v> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4969"><br clear=3D"none"= > </div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your= original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es= say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o= ut in January).</div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4972"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4971"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri"><br clear=3D"none"> </font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4973"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4974"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri"><br clear=3D"none"> </font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4975"><font class=3D"yiv= 5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A= pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri">AJ</font></font></div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4976"><br clear=3D"none"= > </div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4977"><br clear=3D"none"= > </div> <span id=3D"yiv5182106525OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"> </span><div class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><br cle= ar=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yqt8434586631" id=3D"yiv518210= 6525yqt23677"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4979" styl= e=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-= BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:= 0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none= ;PADDING-TOP:3pt;"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502= _4984"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4983"><div id=3D"= yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4982" style=3D"color:#000;backgroun= d-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, L= ucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_= 0_1_1442033498384_3518" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,= Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id=3D"yi= v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3517" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaN= eue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:= 16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5182106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3= _16_0_1_1442033498384_3516"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106= 525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3515"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14= 42033498384_3514" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Hel= veticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fon= t-size:16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yqt0142132509" id=3D"yiv5182106525= yqt48324"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3903" style=3D= "font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande= , sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14408785= 65794_3902" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, = Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yi= v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3901"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3908" size=3D"2" face= =3D"Arial"><b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3912"><span id= =3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3911" style=3D"font-weight:bold= ;">From:</span></b> jim bell <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto= =3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@ya= hoo.com">jdb10987(a)yahoo.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3520"><span id=3D"yiv51821= 06525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3519" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span= ></b> "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.e= du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</= a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_= 1442825109502_4991" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nof= ollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank= " href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com= " target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>= >; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.e= du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</= a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.= edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<= /a>>; Cpunks List <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail= to:cypherpunks@cpunks.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:cypherpunks@cpu= nks.org">cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org</a>> <br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3522"><span id=3D"yiv51821= 06525yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3521" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</sp= an></b> Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3914"><span id=3D"yiv51821= 06525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<= /span></b> Your paper on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font></div> <div class=3D"yiv5182106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1= _1440878565794_3904"> <br clear=3D"none"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3906"> <div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3905" style=3D"color:#00= 0;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic= a, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065= 25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari= juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap= e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m= ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba  <a r= el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target= =3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : =   I've found a reference to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065= 25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini= tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs= p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."   Perhap= s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s= imilar subject.  I called it "Assassination Politics".  cryptome.org/ap= .htm .                 Jim Bell</di= v> </div> </div> <br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></div> </div></div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div> </div></div><div c= lass=3D"yiv5182106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd06395"> </div><= /div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd4895= 2"> </div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div> <= /div> </div></div> </div></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_1164330_120160450.1442874412718--

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Re: CDR: Question re diskette data security
by Jim Choate 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie >higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where >are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a >AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp >routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there >it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more >complicated for multi-layer disks. > >Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department. But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you have the contents, you still might have to do that) Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my ignoragce is welcome.

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FC: Organized crime groups going online, report says -- beware!
by Declan McCullagh 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Excerpts: >Indeed, it is possible that some jurisdictions will >increasingly seek to exploit a permissive attitude to attract >business, creating information safe havens (paralleling offshore tax >havens and bank secrecy jurisdictions) that make it difficult for law >enforcement to follow information trails, and offering insulated >cyber-business operations from which illicit businesses can operate >with a minimum of interference. >In addition, of course, organized crime groups use the Internet for >communications (usually encrypted) and for any other purposes when >they see it as useful and profitable. Indeed, organized crime is >proving as flexible and adaptable in its exploitation of >cyberopportunities as it is in any other opportunities for illegal >activity. The implications are far-reaching and require a response >from government that is strategic, multi-level, multilateral, and >transnational in nature. >The Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime, >largely supported by the United States, is the first major step in >this direction and can be understood as the beginning of the process >of setting norms and standards that national governments ultimately >will be expected to meet in their legislative, regulatory, and >enforcement efforts. Background on Council of Europe treaty: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02173.html -Declan **********

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VIA Pulls PadLockSL
by brian-slashdotnews＠hyperreal.org 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/16/1215204 Posted by: michael, on 2004-04-16 12:43:00 Topic: encryption, 39 comments from the up-down-up-down dept. [1]yipyow writes "A few weeks ago [2]VIA Technologies posted software based on [3]Nullsoft's [4]WASTE, as reported here [5]a few days ago. VIA PadLockSL included both a Windows and Linux client and some special extensions to work with [6]security hardware built into certain VIA products. It was released under the GPL so I managed to snag a copy of the source code right before VIA suddenly removed their page ([7]Google cache). I have posted Linux compilation instructions and mirrored the source [8]here. If VIA has decided not to pursue the project further, I think the F/OSS community should turn this project into something, it has potential to be a great tool." [9]Click Here References 1. http://sqrville.org/ 2. http://www.via.com.tw/ 3. http://www.nullsoft.com/ 4. http://waste.sourceforge.net/ 5. file://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/14/132238&tid=93 6. http://www.via.com.tw/en/padlock/padlock_initiative.jsp 7. http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:tQk9omvJNOcJ:padlocksl.viaarena.com/+p… locksl&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 8. http://projects.sqrville.org/staticpages/index.php?page=padlocksl-linux-howt 9. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2872&alloc_id=7019&site_id=1&request_id=414783&o… click&page=%2farticle%2epl ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: Megaupload.com seized
by Steven Bellovin 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

On Jan 19, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > I would agree. They've dotted every i and crossed every t here. > > This will inevitably be followed by a prosecution of some sort and/or > there's also scope for Megaupload to sue the USG for restitution. > > It'll be interesting to see how this pans out - especially wrt any > safe harbor provisions in the DMCA for providers (which do have a > provision for due diligence being exercised etc). Note this from the NY Times article: The Megaupload case is unusual, said Orin S. Kerr, a law professor at George Washington University, in that federal prosecutors obtained the private e-mails of Megauploadbs operators in an effort to show they were operating in bad faith. "The government hopes to use their private words against them," Mr. Kerr said. "This should scare the owners and operators of similar sites." And see 17 USC 512(c)(1)(A) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html) for why that's significant. --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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