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=========================================================
Tahoe-LAFS Weekly News, issue number 20, January 08, 2011
=========================================================
Welcome to the Tahoe-LAFS Weekly News (TWN). Tahoe-LAFS_ is a secure,
distributed storage system. `View TWN on the web`_ *or* `subscribe to TWN`_.
If you would like to view the "new and improved" TWN, complete with pictures;
please take a `look`_.
.. _Tahoe-LAFS: http://tahoe-lafs.org
.. _View TWN on the web: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/wiki/TahoeLAFSWeeklyNews
.. _subscribe to TWN: http://tahoe-lafs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tahoe-lafs-weekly-news
.. _look: http://tahoe-lafs.org/~marlowe/TWN20.html
Announcements and News
======================
Moving to Git
-------------
Tahoe-LAFS is `moving to Git`_. The `repo`_ lives on Github under the
Tahoe-LAFS organization account.
Tahoe-LAFS will run both darcs and git in parallel for a while. Below are
the restrictions on what we can currently commit:
* The bridge only handles linear histories. Brian |brian| will enforce this
by rewriting and rebasing any changes that enter from the Git side
before landing them on master. Patches coming from the Darcs side are
applied in single-file anyways, so no new restrictions there.
* Brian runs the bridge manually (it's not safe enough to be run
unsupervised), so there will be a human delay between the time
something lands on the darcs side and the time it appears on the git
side. Brian usually gets to it within a day, but feel free to ping him on
IRC when you push a commit to darcs.
* Nobody else should commit to the official git repo right now. When we
stop using darcs (and the bridge), we can fix the permissions so that
all Tahoe committers will have write access. Send pull requests and
Brian will merge them appropriately.
* Release branches will have to be managed specially. 1.8.3 does not
yet exist in the git repo (Brian will need to build it manually). If we do
a near-term 1.9.1 release, we'll probably do it from trunk.
Tahoe-LAFS has a new `buildmaster`_, which feeds off the Github
post-commit hook, and instructs buildslaves to update from Github. We'll
be moving all the existing slaves to this buildmaster, and then
we will determine which ones need to have Git installed (or their buildbot
code updated). We'll also update to a newer buildbot version (0.8.5) at
the same time, and start using "categories" to organize the waterfall
views a bit more easily.
The developers also `moved pycryptopp`_ to Github. The buildbot now
draws from Github, and all but one of the buildslaves upgraded to match.
"The first pull request has been merged, to fix compile errors with the
upcoming gcc-4.7.0 release. The second pull request, to add Ed25519
signatures, is under review by Zooko." [`1`_]
.. _`moving to Git`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-December/006898.html
.. _`repo`: https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/tahoe-lafs
.. _`buildmaster`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/buildbot-tahoe-lafs-git/
.. _`moved pycryptopp`: https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/pycryptopp
.. _`1`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2012-January/006913.html
1.9.1 Release
-------------
Brian `announced the upcoming 1.9.1 release`_. The team hopes to release
1.9.1 in the next couple of weeks. The main drivers for this release are:
* `#1628`_: UCWE on deep check with recent version
* upcoming Ubuntu LTS freeze. We hope to get this fix in before the freeze
Ticket 1628 needs review, so please review the ticket.
In addition, some other changes have occurred since the 1.9.0 release which
will be included in 1.9.1:
* the download-status timeline visualizer was rewritten
* the WUI got a favicon
* OpenBSD 5 support was added
* PyCrypto 2.4 was blacklisted
* some internal refactoring
The changes will be included in the 1.9.1 release.
The following tickets are part of the `1.9.1 milestone`_:
* `#1212`_: Repairing fails if less than 7 servers available
* `#1636`_: Unhandled error in Deferred while uploading (current darcs build)
* `#1637`_: compilation errors with pyOpenSSL >= 0.13 on RHEL5 systems (and
clones)
* `#1643`_: presence of MDMF in aliases break the CLI < v1.9.0
* `#1648`_: assertion failure 'assert len(self._active_readers) >=
self._required_shares' in mutable retrieve
.. _`announced the upcoming 1.9.1 release`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-December/006901.html
.. _`#1628`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1628
.. _`1.9.1 milestone`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/query?status=assigned&status=new&sta…
.. _`#1212`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1212
.. _`#1636`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1636
.. _`#1637`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1637
.. _`#1643`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1643
.. _`#1648`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1648
TWN Scribe Strives to Become Developer
--------------------------------------
With the coming of the new year, I (Patrick |marlowe|) decided to seriously
pursue my goal of learning programming. Further inspired by Zooko's |zooko|
tweet,
"Congrats!! Submit a patch to Tahoe-LAFS! We offer mentoring by experts to
all contributors. :-)" [`2`_]
What better way to learn a language than to work on real problems rather than
sample exercises and have the support of some of the best programmers? Plus
you get to learn the other details of being a developer: updating tickets,
submitting patches, responding to comments, etc. So I decided to take Zooko
up on the offer. I am searching through the `easy tickets`_ to determine
which will be my first try. I can't wait to get started.
.. _`2`: https://twitter.com/#!/zooko/status/154031644234366976
.. _`easy tickets`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/query?status=!closed&keywords=~easy&…
>From the tahoe-dev Mailing List
===============================
Tamias
------
Jean Lorchat `announced the beta release`_ of `Tamias`_ |tamias|.
"The Tamias Project is an attempt to create an opensource, privacy-aware
distributed file storage. When ready, Tamias will provide :
* Secure and reliable storage for all kind of files
* Easy sharing with per-object control and container objects
* Storage provider independence
Tamias is based on the Tahoe-LAFS storage system and borrows itbs secure
properties while leveraging a public-key infrastructure on top in order to
provide distributed access control.
Why b Tamiasb ?
The Tahoe-LAFS system is based on capabilities, which are very important
and impossible to remember, which means you have to write them down
somewhere and mail them around. When looking for shares, users then look
like a squirrel looking for acorns. Tamias are a kind of chipmunk." [`3`_]
Tahoe-LAFS devs look forward to learning from Tamias' thought processes,
implementation, and any feedback from their users.
.. _`announced the beta release`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-December/006899.html
.. _`Tamias`: https://tamias.iijlab.net/
.. _`3`: https://tamias.iijlab.net/?page_id=6
.. |tamias| image:: tamias.png
:height: 35
:alt: Tamias
:target: https://tamias.iijlab.net/
Patch Needing Review of the Week
================================
There are five (5) tickets still needing review for 1.10:
* `#393`_: mutable: implement MDMF
* `#1265`_: New Visualizer is insufficiently labelled/documented (plus layout
problem)
* `#1398`_: make docs/performance.rst more precise and accurate
* `#1566`_: if a stored share has a corrupt header, other shares held by that
server for the file should still be accessible to clients
* `#1593`_: the drop-upload dircap should be in BASEDIR/private/
.. _`#393`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/393
.. _`#1265`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1265
.. _`#1398`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1398
.. _`#1566`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1566
.. _`#1593`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1593
----
*The Tahoe-LAFS Weekly News is published once a week by The Tahoe-LAFS*
*Software Foundation, President and Treasurer: Peter Secor* |peter|
*. Scribes: Patrick "marlowe" McDonald, Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn*
*, Editor: Zooko.* `View TWN on the web`_ *or* `subscribe to TWN`_
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:height: 35
:alt: zooko
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:height: 35
:alt: brian
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:height: 35
:alt: peter
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Thus spake Paul Syverson (syverson(a)itd.nrl.navy.mil)
> > It's time the myth of the GPA was challenged. I don't think active
> > correlation attacks can be defended against, but I think they can at
> > least be detected.
>
> Actually there are many papers over the last several years (e.g., at
> ACM CCS and Info Hiding) showing that one can place undetectable
> timing channels on flows (for some schemes provably undetectable for
> others practically undetectable).
Thanks to Mark Klein, we know that the NSA wiretaps in the US are
passive in nature, not active. But who knows what they do to overseas
links and specific high-value targets...
> But passive correlation is adequate anyway, even at very low sampling
> rates (cf. Murdoch and Zielinski, PETS 2007). This is long known and
> well understood. It's why we have always said that onion routing
> resists traffic analysis not traffic confirmation.
I have to agree with the Raccoon here. I actually don't think Murdoch's
work demonstrated that sampling adversaries can adequately correlate
web-sized traffic.
It seems pretty clear to me that the typical sampling rate of 1/2048 did
not become effective until you were around O(100MB) in transfer. He
wrote that 1/500 became effective at around O(1MB) in transfer, but that
is still a bit above most web page sizes.
There is also the question of an extremely low concurrent flow count
compared to reality today. He used only 500 flows/hour to correlate,
where as at any given *second* O(10k) TCP connections are opened through
every gbit Tor node in operation today. He also used an artificial prior
distribution on connection sizes. Both of these properties alter the
event rate and thus the overall accuracy in the experimental results as
compared to reality.
I think we can agree that large video uploaders stick out like sore
thumbs (due to relative lack of upload traffic frequency), but I don't
think The Man can correlate millions of simultaneous web page views and
expect to have certainty over who is viewing what at all times. At some
point, you simply run out of differentiating bits to extract from size
and timing information to properly segment the userbase.
And as far as I know, no one has really considered the full impact of
userbase size on correlation in the research community (aside from the
Raccoon).
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=========================================================
Tahoe-LAFS Weekly News, issue number 20, January 08, 2011
=========================================================
Welcome to the Tahoe-LAFS Weekly News (TWN). Tahoe-LAFS_ is a secure,
distributed storage system. `View TWN on the web`_ *or* `subscribe to TWN`_.
If you would like to view the "new and improved" TWN, complete with pictures;
please take a `look`_.
.. _Tahoe-LAFS: http://tahoe-lafs.org
.. _View TWN on the web: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/wiki/TahoeLAFSWeeklyNews
.. _subscribe to TWN: http://tahoe-lafs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tahoe-lafs-weekly-news
.. _look: http://tahoe-lafs.org/~marlowe/TWN20.html
Announcements and News
======================
Moving to Git
-------------
Tahoe-LAFS is `moving to Git`_. The `repo`_ lives on Github under the
Tahoe-LAFS organization account.
Tahoe-LAFS will run both darcs and git in parallel for a while. Below are
the restrictions on what we can currently commit:
* The bridge only handles linear histories. Brian |brian| will enforce this
by rewriting and rebasing any changes that enter from the Git side
before landing them on master. Patches coming from the Darcs side are
applied in single-file anyways, so no new restrictions there.
* Brian runs the bridge manually (it's not safe enough to be run
unsupervised), so there will be a human delay between the time
something lands on the darcs side and the time it appears on the git
side. Brian usually gets to it within a day, but feel free to ping him on
IRC when you push a commit to darcs.
* Nobody else should commit to the official git repo right now. When we
stop using darcs (and the bridge), we can fix the permissions so that
all Tahoe committers will have write access. Send pull requests and
Brian will merge them appropriately.
* Release branches will have to be managed specially. 1.8.3 does not
yet exist in the git repo (Brian will need to build it manually). If we do
a near-term 1.9.1 release, we'll probably do it from trunk.
Tahoe-LAFS has a new `buildmaster`_, which feeds off the Github
post-commit hook, and instructs buildslaves to update from Github. We'll
be moving all the existing slaves to this buildmaster, and then
we will determine which ones need to have Git installed (or their buildbot
code updated). We'll also update to a newer buildbot version (0.8.5) at
the same time, and start using "categories" to organize the waterfall
views a bit more easily.
The developers also `moved pycryptopp`_ to Github. The buildbot now
draws from Github, and all but one of the buildslaves upgraded to match.
"The first pull request has been merged, to fix compile errors with the
upcoming gcc-4.7.0 release. The second pull request, to add Ed25519
signatures, is under review by Zooko." [`1`_]
.. _`moving to Git`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-December/006898.html
.. _`repo`: https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/tahoe-lafs
.. _`buildmaster`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/buildbot-tahoe-lafs-git/
.. _`moved pycryptopp`: https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/pycryptopp
.. _`1`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2012-January/006913.html
1.9.1 Release
-------------
Brian `announced the upcoming 1.9.1 release`_. The team hopes to release
1.9.1 in the next couple of weeks. The main drivers for this release are:
* `#1628`_: UCWE on deep check with recent version
* upcoming Ubuntu LTS freeze. We hope to get this fix in before the freeze
Ticket 1628 needs review, so please review the ticket.
In addition, some other changes have occurred since the 1.9.0 release which
will be included in 1.9.1:
* the download-status timeline visualizer was rewritten
* the WUI got a favicon
* OpenBSD 5 support was added
* PyCrypto 2.4 was blacklisted
* some internal refactoring
The changes will be included in the 1.9.1 release.
The following tickets are part of the `1.9.1 milestone`_:
* `#1212`_: Repairing fails if less than 7 servers available
* `#1636`_: Unhandled error in Deferred while uploading (current darcs build)
* `#1637`_: compilation errors with pyOpenSSL >= 0.13 on RHEL5 systems (and
clones)
* `#1643`_: presence of MDMF in aliases break the CLI < v1.9.0
* `#1648`_: assertion failure 'assert len(self._active_readers) >=
self._required_shares' in mutable retrieve
.. _`announced the upcoming 1.9.1 release`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-December/006901.html
.. _`#1628`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1628
.. _`1.9.1 milestone`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/query?status=assigned&status=new&sta…
.. _`#1212`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1212
.. _`#1636`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1636
.. _`#1637`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1637
.. _`#1643`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1643
.. _`#1648`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1648
TWN Scribe Strives to Become Developer
--------------------------------------
With the coming of the new year, I (Patrick |marlowe|) decided to seriously
pursue my goal of learning programming. Further inspired by Zooko's |zooko|
tweet,
"Congrats!! Submit a patch to Tahoe-LAFS! We offer mentoring by experts to
all contributors. :-)" [`2`_]
What better way to learn a language than to work on real problems rather than
sample exercises and have the support of some of the best programmers? Plus
you get to learn the other details of being a developer: updating tickets,
submitting patches, responding to comments, etc. So I decided to take Zooko
up on the offer. I am searching through the `easy tickets`_ to determine
which will be my first try. I can't wait to get started.
.. _`2`: https://twitter.com/#!/zooko/status/154031644234366976
.. _`easy tickets`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/query?status=!closed&keywords=~easy&…
>From the tahoe-dev Mailing List
===============================
Tamias
------
Jean Lorchat `announced the beta release`_ of `Tamias`_ |tamias|.
"The Tamias Project is an attempt to create an opensource, privacy-aware
distributed file storage. When ready, Tamias will provide :
* Secure and reliable storage for all kind of files
* Easy sharing with per-object control and container objects
* Storage provider independence
Tamias is based on the Tahoe-LAFS storage system and borrows itbs secure
properties while leveraging a public-key infrastructure on top in order to
provide distributed access control.
Why b Tamiasb ?
The Tahoe-LAFS system is based on capabilities, which are very important
and impossible to remember, which means you have to write them down
somewhere and mail them around. When looking for shares, users then look
like a squirrel looking for acorns. Tamias are a kind of chipmunk." [`3`_]
Tahoe-LAFS devs look forward to learning from Tamias' thought processes,
implementation, and any feedback from their users.
.. _`announced the beta release`:
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-December/006899.html
.. _`Tamias`: https://tamias.iijlab.net/
.. _`3`: https://tamias.iijlab.net/?page_id=6
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Patch Needing Review of the Week
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There are five (5) tickets still needing review for 1.10:
* `#393`_: mutable: implement MDMF
* `#1265`_: New Visualizer is insufficiently labelled/documented (plus layout
problem)
* `#1398`_: make docs/performance.rst more precise and accurate
* `#1566`_: if a stored share has a corrupt header, other shares held by that
server for the file should still be accessible to clients
* `#1593`_: the drop-upload dircap should be in BASEDIR/private/
.. _`#393`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/393
.. _`#1265`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1265
.. _`#1398`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1398
.. _`#1566`: http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1566
.. _`#1593`: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1593
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Thus spake Paul Syverson (syverson(a)itd.nrl.navy.mil)
> > It's time the myth of the GPA was challenged. I don't think active
> > correlation attacks can be defended against, but I think they can at
> > least be detected.
>
> Actually there are many papers over the last several years (e.g., at
> ACM CCS and Info Hiding) showing that one can place undetectable
> timing channels on flows (for some schemes provably undetectable for
> others practically undetectable).
Thanks to Mark Klein, we know that the NSA wiretaps in the US are
passive in nature, not active. But who knows what they do to overseas
links and specific high-value targets...
> But passive correlation is adequate anyway, even at very low sampling
> rates (cf. Murdoch and Zielinski, PETS 2007). This is long known and
> well understood. It's why we have always said that onion routing
> resists traffic analysis not traffic confirmation.
I have to agree with the Raccoon here. I actually don't think Murdoch's
work demonstrated that sampling adversaries can adequately correlate
web-sized traffic.
It seems pretty clear to me that the typical sampling rate of 1/2048 did
not become effective until you were around O(100MB) in transfer. He
wrote that 1/500 became effective at around O(1MB) in transfer, but that
is still a bit above most web page sizes.
There is also the question of an extremely low concurrent flow count
compared to reality today. He used only 500 flows/hour to correlate,
where as at any given *second* O(10k) TCP connections are opened through
every gbit Tor node in operation today. He also used an artificial prior
distribution on connection sizes. Both of these properties alter the
event rate and thus the overall accuracy in the experimental results as
compared to reality.
I think we can agree that large video uploaders stick out like sore
thumbs (due to relative lack of upload traffic frequency), but I don't
think The Man can correlate millions of simultaneous web page views and
expect to have certainty over who is viewing what at all times. At some
point, you simply run out of differentiating bits to extract from size
and timing information to properly segment the userbase.
And as far as I know, no one has really considered the full impact of
userbase size on correlation in the research community (aside from the
Raccoon).
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The serval project is really cool, and I like it a ton. The problem I have
is that they still force the end user to run custom software written for
the mesh. That is the main reason we went with a transparent proxy at a
low layer in the android stack. It's still an offshoot of OLSRd, and though
routing is improved I still think we can do better. By we I mean the
community, not me personally. (I have ideas, but by no means to I presume
to be smarter than anyone)
We are on the github @: https://github.com/monk-dot
I honestly have little ego in this and don't really care if our project
takes off... What I really want is for Mesh networking to be a viable and
reliable alternative to what is out there now.
I don't like infrastructure that dies, I don't like governmental ability to
shut down the internet, I don't like subway stations not having
connections.... I don't see a point to it anymore. We should be help and
not hindered by technology.
I am speaking @ DerbyCon in Louisville, KY about our project soon, but what
I really want to talk about is why we need mesh networks and how to get
there. Again, I honestly don't care who "wins", I just want a mesh that I
can use. If it's yours thats awesome, if it's mine thats awesome (but more
work for me), if it's someone we don't know yet that also awesome (to me).
I'm hoping we can share our routing insight with the community at large.
We have a nice niche space (lots of extra sensors and info) in smart
phone/mobile that desktops and the like don't have.
My real personal interest for research is in routing protocols, mesh
leveling power and bandwidth consumption, porting BitTorrent to the mesh so
we can use the entire network as a redundant RAID device...
Please let me know how I can help and contribute besides simply
evangelizing the concepts and benefits. They seem so self evident to me at
this point...
thanks!
m0nk
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Ben Mendis <ben.mendis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi m0nk,
>
> I agree that it looks like your project is complementary to what we're
> working on. And you're right, it would be great if more mesh projects could
> work together. We are actually headed to Barcelona in October to attend the
> International Summit for Community Wireless Networks (
> http://wirelesssummit.org/) We will be presenting our proposal for
> inter-mesh interoperability and seeking feedback from other, most
> established mesh networking projects and communities. We are hoping to
> build out the necessary standards and best practices to allow all of the
> different projects who are working in this problem space to work with each
> other rather than compete against each other.
>
> Until we have those standards ironed out, you can still design your
> network to be interop-ready by conforming to the same BSSID value used by
> Project Byzantium and Commotion Wireless: 02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE. This will put
> your nodes on the same ad-hoc cell meaning that devices will be able to
> hear each other, from there it's just a matter of negotiating a common mesh
> routing protocol and addressing scheme.
>
>
> https://github.com/Byzantium/Byzantium/wiki/Setting-up-a-mesh-node-without-….
>
> Having watched your youtube video, I'm curious how you would
> compare/contrast your SPAN project to the Serval Project (
> http://www.servalproject.org/) It seems like your proposal is very
> similar to what they are working on.
>
> I look forward to working with you on this important problem space.
> Best regards,
> Ben the Pyrate
>
>
> On 08/23/2012 10:03 PM, m0nk wrote:
>
> So I'm way late to the game on this but I was wondering if there is
> something we could do to collaborate on mesh projects. It seems there are
> way to many splinter groups wanting the same thing but are slightly too
> divergent to combine.
>
> I just spoke @ DefCon XX with my Android Mesh project: SPAN
> More info here:
> http://youtu.be/RrI3MUnExJM
>
> In a nutshell, we have injected transparent proxies into the smart
> phones below the network stack to control routing. This allows us to be
> just another network interface and all apps behave as normal.
>
> anyway, is there interest in chatting / sharing? We are open source and
> are mostly interested in routing protocols and security, the initial mesh
> implementation was more of a platform to allo my team to explore these
> things easily.
>
> Thanks!
> m0nk
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I sent this to the resident Pirate Party UK economist:
Hi Harry,
> - why would the average person like me (who does not suffer restricted
> access to the regular payment systems, as you suggest could be the case for
> someone in Vietnam) want to use bitcoin other than a) to transfer money
> abroad at low / no cost or b) to avoid official restrictions on payments to
> (e.g.) Wikileaks through the mainstream bank network?
>
> You are right. You and your probable mortgage-owning neighbours have no
foreseeable need to ever use Bitcoins. Given that there are no charge-backs
and therefore absolutely no financial protection (caveat emptor), it is
unlikely it will be adopted by the mainstream for the majority of
transactions any time soon. For obvious reasons even I *currently *trust my
debit card more than my Bitcoin wallet. Of course the same could have been
said about making secure purchases online in the 90's.
> - at the moment bitcoin seems to have no role as a store of value (as
> opposed to medium of exchange), though perhaps this could change if its
> market value could somehow be linked to precious metals (gold / silver)
> rather than increasingly unstable / manipulated fiat currencies - see
> youtube clip of Max Keiser in the following:
> http://www.scoop.it/t/peer2politics?page=3 . Any comment?
>
> The backing for Bitcoin is through the not insignificant capital and
electricity costs expended to "mine" Bitcoins. The secure Bitcoin
transaction system is designed around a form of decentralised digital
signing of Bitcoin transactions through this Bitcoin mining operation. The
payment for mining is currently 50BTC per block of transactions
successfully signed. This Bitcoin inflation will half in about a month to
25BTC per block, and continue to reduce in the rate of inflation until 21M
Bitcoins are mined in 2020, or so. After all Bitcoins have been mined the
financial reward for mining will be very small per transaction fees, but
potentially still significant per block.
Due to this distributed digital backing there is no way to link issued
Bitcoins to a commodity such as gold, which would require some form of
centralised repository like GoldMoney.com. Another way to think of it is
that everyone who mines Bitcoins is part of the "decentral bank of
Bitcoin". I understand that most Austrian economists don't like Bitcoin, as
Austrian definitions of money require it to originate as a commodity. In my
not so humble opinion this is a philosophical economic question, as there
are things you can conveniently buy with Bitcoins that you can not buy with
gold, cash, or credit cards. However, for now the primary driver of Bitcoin
adoption is the black market and speculation.
> - the point in the Forbes article you sent on bitcoin about it being a
> threat to official monetary control (exchange control as well as tax
> evasion, laundering) seems quite valid and is a major ultimate objection -
> unless one comes from an anarchistic / extreme libertarian position, which
> I definitely am not (nor the Pirates, I hope).
>
> http://falkvinge.net/2011/05/29/why-im-putting-all-my-savings-into-bitcoin/
Many Bitcoin enthusiasts currently range in attitudes from garden variety
nerds (like myself) to crypto-anarchists and anarcho-capitalists. This
group likely includes Assange, the various members of Anonymous, and quite
possibly the guy who fixed the problem that caused NatWest customers unable
to access their bank accounts for a week. Plenty of them are Pirates too as
both Bittorrent and Bitcoin have much in common both philosophically and
technically. The majority of enthusiasts are however very naive about
economics and the realities of politics.
> In summary Bitcoin only seems attractive for a limited function during the
> present global monetary chaos in which currency values are manipulated and
> legitimate financial transfers interfered with by authorities that are
> essentially dominated by one or more criminal syndicates. Rather than try
> and join these guys in the Wild West our aim should be to restore order and
> accountability to the system.
>
I guess history will decide whether it will be evolution or revolution of
the current system. I read enough contrarian commentary on the state of the
world economy to wonder when the current experiment with fiat currencies
will end, and I don't expect the end to be evolutionary. The UK was quite
graceful in its relinquishment of empire. The USA is unlikely to follow:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States
http://news.yahoo.com/jullian-assange-enemy-state-023345613.html
>
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mail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cypherpunk=
s(a)cpunks.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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ize:13px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20808"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18459"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s=
eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095=
02_18459"><span> Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none=
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qt8385359817" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqt05665"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
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ize:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
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82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail=
.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy=
pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper =
on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&=
cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009=
ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a> , <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
and of Bob Murphy, </span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
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1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An=
archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca=
pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"> &nbs=
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9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels=
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:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin=
g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D=
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ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502=
_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es=
say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o=
ut in January).</div>
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv51821065=
25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ari=
juels.com/">http://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a r=
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=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : =
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25yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5047" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ini=
tc3.org/publications.html">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>.&nbs=
p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhap=
s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s=
imilar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
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>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.
But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you
have the contents, you still might have to do that)
Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
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yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18459"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_18467">For some reason, my first attempt to upload this didn't s=
eem to 'take'.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251095=
02_18459"><span> Jim Bell</span></div><br clear=3D"none=
"> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525y=
qt8385359817" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqt05665"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_18470" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neu=
e, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D=
"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18469" style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s=
ize:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
18468"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br clear=3D"none"> <font id=3D"yiv51=
82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting@gmail=
.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cy=
pherpunks(a)cpunks.org> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper =
on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&=
cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009=
ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a> , <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
and of Bob Murphy, </span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font=
-weight:bold;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">murphy17=
</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h=
eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;=
font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span> &nb=
sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=
) as well as by R. Sukumaran <a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5597" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysi=
s/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_040=
4.html" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://www.idsa.in/s=
trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket=
_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">Further, consider<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6139" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/ana=
rchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md">htt=
ps://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchi=
sm/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md</a></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5058"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1442825109502_6418" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://c4ss.org/conten=
t/1157">https://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6562" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" style=3D"backgroun=
d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An=
archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca=
pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"> &nbs=
p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
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25109502_4963" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic=
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525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Hel=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <div =
class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20829=
"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yq=
t9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd98087"><hr id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5198" size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4964" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels <juels=
@cornell.edu><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runtin=
g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br clear=3D=
"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se=
ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502=
_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</di=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4969"><br clear=3D"none"=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your=
original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es=
say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o=
ut in January).</div>
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5182106525Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><font class=3D"yiv5182106525A=
pple-style-span" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div>
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>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
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>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.
But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no? (of course, once you
have the contents, you still might have to do that)
Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW. CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think. Antidote to my
ignoragce is welcome.
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