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Re: "Strength of encryption standard proved again"
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > >( cryptography(a)c2.net removed from the distribution list, as I am not a > subscriber to that list, and Perry has admonished me when I have > accidentally left his list on the cc: to my messages) From: sameer <sameer(a)c2.net> To: emergent(a)eval-apply.com (ET) CC: cryptography(a)c2.net, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Sameer has his bum-buddy, Perry, censoring c2.net's crypto-propaganda list in order to reflect favorably on cryptography business interests. It seems that this is cheaper than using his legal team to stifle free speech regarding corporate products, especially his own. Despite the fact that Sameer feels free to spam the cypherpunks list with self-serving horseshit that he is sending to cryptography(a)c2.nut, it seems that he has a deep-rooted fear of his products and motives being discussed on the c2.net list. Perry is a horse's ass who gets offended that people subjected to cc:'s of the c2.net propoganda machine don't seem to feel it is their job to perform his censorship for him by deleting sameer's list from the cc:'d spam their list members send out. I would suggest that if Perry wants to act as a censor of free speech on the internet, that he take responsibility for deleting any messages that he deems to be beneath the corporate standards of the list that he censors. Of course, he could always automate the list to only allow posts by subscribers. If the software he uses to run the list doesn't have the capability to do so then perhaps he could ask the Stronghold programers to build a back door in the software to allow him to do so. TruthMonger

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Re: [EFGA] WE won our court case!! (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: "Robert A. Costner" <pooh(a)efga.org> >To: action(a)efga.org >Subject: [EFGA] WE won our court case!! > >EFGA was granted a preliminary injunction in our court case >against the state of Georgia. Details and press release to follow. Yee-hah! If you ignore CONgress, we've had a good week, between this court and the New York CDA courts doing the right thing and the DES crack finishing. >Let's meet somewhere tonight to celebrate! Obviously y'all should meet in the Atlanta Underground, wearing masks :-) (though I won't be there, since it's a bit far from the West Coast...) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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A site idea
by Jason William RENNIE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all, Well after joining this list a few days ago, i've decided to take the plunge and post something. I was looking for feedback on an idea for a site. I hope this dosen't violate any rules for posting and i appologise if it does. Please dont flame me for my ignorance if i've broken any unspecified rules for posting. Anyway on to my idea. I'm a Christian (NO not some religious right looney from the states). My idea was to setup a site dedicated to secure and anonymous transmiion of data. The appilication being for Christian missionaries in dangerous countries, but also as a general purpose site for crypto and anoniminty. I was hoping to collect information on setting up anon remailers of various types and compiling links and articles for the site. Can anybody point me in the right direction ? Again i hope i haven't offended anyone or broken any posting rules to this forum. Jason =8-]

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Re: New Laws in Oregon - "Land of the Legal betatest"
by Ryan Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > > How do you propose to deal with such things as the Telecommunications Act > > of 1996 (which incidently included the CDA)? I can see a problem where > > one sentence or clause gets thrown out of a major bill (say a compromise > > budget, that someone screwed up one minor ammendment), and if you have > > that happen 3 times in 6 years, you've lost 90% of your senators! I'm not > > saying that your idea isn't without merit, just that it's got a few > > problems that strike me as somewhat major.. > > Please elaborate, as I can't see _any_ problem with eliminating 90% of > the sitting legislature. You've completely missed my point. This would be an on-going problem. Congress can only function with some idea of compromise in it. When you're passing budgets, especially the kind of budgets we have right now, they get big and complicated, I can't see that changing significantly, even with a massive turnover of members. But having no consistency in Congress at all, even for some "good" reps would be horrible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Anderson - <Pug Majere> "Who knows, even the horse might sing" Wayne State University - CULMA "May you live in interesting times.." randerso(a)ece.eng.wayne.edu Ohio = VYI of the USA PGP Fingerprint - 7E 8E C6 54 96 AC D9 57 E4 F8 AE 9C 10 7E 78 C9 -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: cypherpunks PR fluff-ups
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Some general comments about the crack: > > Many of the people involved in running the cracks seemed more > concerned with their own glory, or with getting their name in lights > to enhance their consulting rates, or the technical interest of it, or > control freakish tendencies over the management of it, arguing over > how best to design the software to conceal the key from the finder of > the key! etc, than in making a political statement about the weakness > of DES. There seemed to be a multitude of political interests working to different ends in a number of the crack efforts, according to a lady who was involved with a couple of them rather intimately. Her impression was that there were people involved who were purposely giving out patently bad advice and working toward removing some of the more competent players from the scene. > Seemed like few of them were cypherpunks at heart. > > This reflected itself I think in the complete hostility to giving the > prize money to the winner, the fact that several of the cracks > wouldn't reveal the source code, nor their techniques. I know more than a few people who began to join in one or another of the cracks and then said to hell with it because of the cliquish nature of the efforts. Peter Trei's software ran best on my machines but when I contacted a couple of the groups as to how to find what keys had already been searched I was pretty much told to fuck off like it was some great secret only for the in-crowd. Also, there was a fair amount of sabotage going on in the background. The New Media effort in particular was plagued by bogus versions of their software being distributed and efforts to interfere with various sites running their software. Even their own version of the software was bogus at the point I first downloaded it. When I emailed them to point it out, they denied it, but then they stopped giving out their software for a couple weeks while they rewrote it, and then refused to make their source code available after that. All in all, my impression was there was too much ego and intrigue going on to make the distributed cracking efforts terribly efficient and functional at many points along the way. I would give those running the distributed cracks a few points for effort, but not many points for integrity. I still have a lingering feeling that the whole affair is being choreographed according to some unknown script, but I'm suspicious by nature. TruthCracker

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Re: spam on this list
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Philip A. Mongelluzzo wrote: > > > Twenty seven years ago I took an oath to do whatever was needed to > > protect and defend the constitution against all enemies (domestic > > and foreign) Yeah, I took one, too. You think spam is an enemy? HAH! > > But > > what is the solution to this problem from a parents point of view? > > Simple - control the material. What is the problem from a non-parent (by choice) point of view? Simple: control your fucking kids! That's the number one problem in the USofA today. Parents let their fucking kids run wild. Mom works, Dad works, Kids are free all day to cause trouble, and send spam. Spam is free speech! Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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McCain's War for Security
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The New York Times Magazine had a feature story on Senator McCain a week or two ago which covered in detail his personal, military and political history and his heroic struggle to meet the high standards set by his admiral father, the Navy and individual ethics. His long imprisonment by the North Vietnamese due to a refusal to be released as the well-known son of a prominent admiral was cited as an example of his duty to to put national interests above his own. This iconic treatment of a national hero is worth pondering for the way it reveals what Tim calls "the fix is in." The imposition of protective measures often occurs through those with impeccable credentials, especially by appealing to the ones who believe that their special role is to rise above ordinary struggles and dispense exceptional wisdom, fairness and justice. The question on McCain is: has he been sold on the threat to national security of cryptography by appealing to his deep patriotism, his belief in a special duty to protect the nation, to fight its "war" with the day's enemies. Such feeding of grandiloquence is historical practice of the Richlieus running the government, raiding the till, commanding the academies, distributing authorizations to placate antsy kings-in-queue. The cariacature of this are "banana republics" where military and political saviors justify coups in the name of the "public interest," or "the people," fairly well in accord with threats to authority. Military, naval and governmental academies worldwide teach this belief in the special duty of public servants, notwithstanding the evidence that some graduates reap the not-so-public rewards. As amply displayed in S.936, the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 1998, the perennial US banana republic raid on the till. Read it to see who McCain thinks are the nation's enemies and protectors and who are the supreme judges of both. What's not as well publicized about leadership academies of all kinds is that they also teach (and practice) the Machiavellian wisdom of most stringent laws and harshest enforcement for challenges to the authority to govern, to tax, to command, to rule. To assure "national security" for those who thrive on it.

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Re: The Global Fix is In
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.LNX.3.91.970622115344.593A-100000(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk>, on 06/22/97 at 11:58 AM, Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> said: >I think that finally the poloticians in D.C, London, Berlin and all the >other major capitals have caught on, and realised that open availability >of anonymity, security and strong crypto can only lead to crypto anarchy, > they are *scared*, this time they are no longer do-gooding idiots, they >are out to cover their own backs... There have only been 2 intrests of the politition: CYA -- Cover Your Ass LYP -- Line Your Pockets There is also the desire to get re-elected but that directly relates to the two above. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM61ko49Co1n+aLhhAQGylQQAvLLnNgbu5SamAMMimF0BYina9gNdXkf6 r52wIpTncCHVeFS8khA73IcIwCOyMi7ktFuVOJKUWT/cNdFoMYEp2bDbai/KzVcx O/2ueFTiqEQNk2WR4caTABJtPxASRxPa7X8M8u9gdaBUwHOCTj+yRcDxAhxaAc3+ Ma29OH+tgxk= =kCas -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The spam thread
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 24 Jun 97 at 9:45, Jason William RENNIE wrote: > Anyway shall we let this thread die at this point ?? I've tried. But I am eternally pulled back in. Sometimes at the first post, sometimes later. As long as people have promiscuous mail boxes they will get spam, use a filter, use your delete key. Denial of service attacks are destructive and unproductive. Die, Spam thread, Die! Out, spot, out! Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Re: New PGP signatures
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.SOL.3.96.970623055041.2746A-100000(a)sirius.infonex.com>, on 06/23/97 at 05:53 AM, Mark Grant <mark(a)unicorn.com> said: >Could I humbly request that people don't post the new (SHA?) PGP >signatures to the list for the time being as it's a pain in the ass for >those of us outside the US who don't yet have the ability to read them. >PGP 2.6.x error handling doesn't know what to do with them and it breaks >our mail-processing code. Hi Mark, You really need to modify your mail-processing code as you are going to see more and more of these. You should also start work on implementing the PGP/MIME RFC as you will be seeing more of these messages. Nothing personal but your code should not "break" on any data that is sent to it. PGP 2.6.x doen't have a problem with these signatures it just returns a error code and goes on it's way. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM660l49Co1n+aLhhAQHZEQP+MGX87jPWCO3VZMZG4Pt0R0sgFSSc6N+I 7/3w1QSxJomyd6jt9SUuyKsLMMC5UY7HCC71CHVyp2Aqm4N7Q8ratNC+WMxVPO3z 1DTNM4GYOnZmwdTMgowIPhb0Cfstd4Z+KXlr0jR5pE1Kni6+r3LBG7+jVv+Im6BY SlizRYaent0= =YBoc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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