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by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 From: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> To: lucifer Anonymous Remailer <lucifer(a)dhp.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: PGP I think Vulis needs each of us to send ten copies of this back to him. On Tue, 6 May 1997, lucifer Anonymous Remailer wrote: > Tim C[retin] Mayflower styles his facial hair to look more > like Graham-John Bullers. > > ,,, > -ooO(o o)Ooo- Tim C[retin] Mayflower > (_) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Graham-John Bullers Modulator of alt.2600.modulated ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca : ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Jun 04, 1997 at 03:47:02PM -0700, Lucky Green wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Chris DiBona wrote: > > Do these children > > who may be important to you have parents who "care" about them enough to > > scour the planet to find a good,safe day care that isn't withing the blast > > radius or > > shooting range of : > > [list of public places elided] > > Perhaps taking your kids to day care in a downtown area is not a very good > idea in the first place. But putting them into daycare inside a federal > building is criminally stupid. > > Some on this list will even > say that the kids' deaths fortunately > reduced the negative impact their parents can have on the gene pool. Yes, some pathetic strange little boys swaggering around in never-never land. Lonely individuals with shriveled hearts, stunted morals, and feverish imaginations, who brag contemptuously of their superiority over "sheeple", and boast of their heroic roles in the coming revolution. And thank you, Lucky, for enlightening me -- it isn't the OKC bomber who is the criminal, it's the people who put their children in the daycare center! There's only one punishment suitable for such "criminally stupid" behavior! Lock and Load! -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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RE: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:50 PM -0700 6/4/97, Paul Bradley wrote: >> Like my fellow Santa Clara County Resident Bill Frantz said : >> >> For cypherpunks this comes down to: Make code, not bombs. > >True, code will lead to further liberation in the virtual communities, >but bombs are an effective device for ending the corrupt tyrannical >government that rules us. It is my contention that, in the present circumstances, bombs are not effective devices for ending the corrupt tyrannical government which rules us. They are much more likely to make enemies for "our cause" than they are to physically stop the government. Does the phrase, "Bomb throwing anarchist" give you the feeling of hero, or of villain? Most people will answer villain, and killing people is not likely to change their minds. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Christian IP Network / Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Deters wrote: > (This brings to mind another solution: "The Christian IP Network. > Guaranteed to not deliver unto you the E-vil packets of the Demons of > Pornographers, Terrorists, Narcotics Traffickers, Money Launderers or > Cypherpunks. We're the ISP that delivers only Family-Valued, God-Blessed > and Jesus-Approved packets to your customers. Send lots of money now, > censors are standing by." If Jesus has a sense of humor, then when he comes back he will make the announcement only on sites blocked by CyberSitter. (I will forward the announcement to the list for the benefit of those list members whose subscription to the "Hot Teenage Sluts" website has expired.) SlutMonger

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Webpage anti-abortion picketing...
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > I no more want to slap more spin doctor > output in front of others than to have to look at it myself. I was mainly > trying to make a prediction about the future and then seeing, if reasonable, > how long it took. > > It occurs to me that somebody with the right > motivation might want to claim that they have a right to put a box on such a > backbone (ie stand on the sidewalk in front of the store) and scrape for > particular addresses (ie the business they want to picket). This is precisely why we should fight all efforts of the government to get their foot in the door in regard to control of the internet. I have no doubt that the government will at some point bestow upon some element of the internet a "gift" of funding of some type that they will proclaim is for the public benefit. Their true purpose, naturally, will be to give Joe Grapepicker legal standing to apply to a judge to uphold his "right" to picket the Safeway website. The fact of the matter is, we are currently free to do much as we wish to on the internet. Some call this freedom. Unfortunately, it can also be called "freedom from government interference," which is an anathema to those in power. As long as cypherpunks Timothy McMay and Dimitri Nichols conspire only to promote electronic freedom on the list, then the rest of the decent, law-abiding cypherpunks are probably relatively safe. Should they choose to begin promoting abortion on the list, however, this could change rapidly. (It just occured to me that censorship promoters could be considered to be "Electronic Abortion Activists." Perhaps we need a new censorship ASSociation to be formed, called the EAA, with Jerry Falwell, et al, as its TITular HEADs, and with chapters throughout the CoUNTry.) TruthMonger

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Re: 0,4,11276,00.html?dtn.head
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706052359.TAA30048(a)yakko.cs.wmich.edu>, on 06/05/97 at 07:59 PM, Damaged Justice <frogfarm(a)yakko.cs.wmich.edu> said: >[36]NASA's Ames Research Center hosted the federal government's > briefing today in hopes of roping in commercial technology partners to > help build the Clinton Administration's three-year, $3 million NGI > initiative. > This is yet another example of the Federal Government interfering with the free market. The govenrment is not needed to *fix* the Internet backbone. If the various labs, schools, ..ect need bigger and faster connections then they need to dig into their pockets and, god forbid, pay for it! I see absolutly no reason why I as joe sixpack taxpayer should have to fund through my tax dollars some multi gigabyte backbone that I am not even allowed to use!!! <sigh> Hopfully the revolution will come in my lifetime. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5dmvI9Co1n+aLhhAQFl3gQAg9OwmnhCgnkjRrq5bIRlaV39ofKterLf 13H47nGxUTI41SOePmwTDAUTlapAPRnPywSCX5J3v4Us/ZRa9KFN7pacqUoQmcnC 3K6Ouc1F3rFiH50zRi3XWkxS7OY3WZAep97s4dd1cXOM74iP6glY8e7psyMdGYbk ML3Vlfgv3nc= =Nvku -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: IRS Hit
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <1.5.4.32.19970605134956.008db240(a)pop.pipeline.com>, on 06/05/97 at 08:49 AM, John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> said: >In a harshly worded 17-page opinion, Judge William Downes of the U.S. >District Court in Denver found that one of the IRS agents, James Dolan, >was "grossly negligent" and acted with "reckless disregard" for the law, >and that he made three false statements in a sworn declaration. So why is James Dolan still working for the IRS? Why is he not under enditement for perjury? Oh I forgot Federal Agents are "just a group of humans" so I guess we shouldn't expect the laws of the land to apply to them. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5bMt49Co1n+aLhhAQGn0wQAuG0n4ppXx5QdtNQrrcB4drcbkbDkpcdV 0L28z5zWbbidfz2Mq8wS2HLG01NLPd/6NFDF8EYpezBfpGv9O3SIm3WvhbzhvJOP jEVGUZdNVM+RA3gAMzrBMoiEiIrFfaFO/3615dSHPLpa3NWmbf+QDnVRXFIO1Rxp kFttB1pjRjM= =Vx80 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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One more step...
by nexus＠eskimo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I received this in the morning CNET news: HOW PRIVATE IS YOUR NET SURFING? FBI VS. CDT BATTLE WILL DECIDE http://www.news.com/Radio/index.html?nd At the FTC's online privacy hearings next week, the debate will turn on the FBI's right to "intercept" information on the Net. Listen to CNET Radio to see why the Center for Democracy and Technology wants the spooks to back off. So where does the FBI think they get their 'right' to intercept net traffic? Who knows, but I'm sure its already happening and will continue to happen no matter what the FTC rules. Brian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5geZKQxGtxXsXypAQFOeAP7BS9UAeFVxA2pokA7CSD/HwAgo3rGbFH6 Mm7ISfn7c4hK2sTVIcgCvCFJCDfXxXGPTuZOA7o9LEfE6b0TDw0JuJ1bbUkf9zqi JkpSpLipesJz56bzMi//jNiY7I1Da5rWpYPSXn5EsrZ1WdslXsGs7uiBTMQFixcL 4bMO5o1LPtA= =nD0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian C. Lane http://www.eskimo.com/~nexus KC7TYU ------------------ 96B9 C123 5C90 BECC 6A1F 7DC6 4F2B A26E --------------------

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Re: NYT on German Net Police
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >> Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are >> to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack >> on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: >> >> http://jya.com/denver.htm > >Wow. What an opportunity for street theater *that* might be... Excellent suggestion, Agent Provocateur (AP) Bob. There is surely a PR connection between the McVeigh trial and the cyber-terrorism summit. That promo's crucial for the counterterrorism juggernaut. Now, what would be the cyber-version of street theater? For examp, the security arrangements for the trial will be broadened, and artfully leaked to the Denver-ensconced and equipped media, to promote and protect the priceless Derrieres of State. But what might cyber-terribles do to work-a-round the highly classified meat protections? Confidential commo is crucial to yarping pols and talking heads, uplinks and unedited feeds are going to be zapping 'round the globe. What liberating theatrics could be exhibited spoofing, cracking, hacking, phreaking these urgent communiques to ardent tax-henchers and sofa-ensconced tubers. Denver's Judge Downes sent a missive in plaintext to IRS, a spit in the bucket another Bob said. What about a bigger oyster hawk at the lens and mikes of the leaders of the free worlds? Do nothing illegal, for sure, just civilly disobedient. (We'll put Downes's 17-age ruling up in a while.)

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Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706051819.NAA06360(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 06/05/97 at 03:00 PM, "Peter Trei" <trei(a)process.com> said: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Well the real problem here is not GAK it is just a symptom. The problem is the position that our current government and especially LEAs in that government have taken that we have no rights. That the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have no meaning unless it is politically convienant to them. I don't see how anyone can look at the governments behavior in its push for GAK and not have utter contempt for them. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5i/ZI9Co1n+aLhhAQHxRAQAytDQhogRQkzsD88hYhWWFZen44tVj3zd nAnlF+fqxBmitzcI/iSiH9QT//lLlr5FzUCFG2g/aasuo9j0AzcXc4pM87itvbfj WFJSZ7l8aN2xAkpWrIJoRo6C90tsPKWoqy3G9N/legeJPKrBx4gtpiuWv0wTBgDA OGerKywdxnE= =y+Qb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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