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Re: PSEUDOSPOOFING
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>what if people were being *influenced* by what >they perceived was the *majority opinion* or the *views of their peers* >that were really nothing but DECEPTION AND LIES? what if it was >*thwarting progress*? I would consider this nothing but TREACHERY and >HIGH TREASON. is all this really one of the `main goals' of the >cypherpunk agenda? if so, SIGN ME OFF. Works for me. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: Time for me to come clean...
by Mike Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>My experiment has gone far enough. >One of you has claimed that the Net entity "tcmay" (Timothy C. May, >putatively) is actually "jamie" (Jamie Dinkelacker, putatively). This >person has at other times claimed that perhaps Eric Hughes and Jamie >are the same person, and that the Net entity "tcmay" is the "lackey of Eric >Hughes." >It is all getting so confusing! >Allow me to clarify. >I entered this list under a variety of pseudonyms, with the intent of >compiling information on all of you. I have been posting under the >identities of Tim May (who has actually never existed....the man >behind the mask on the cover of "Wired" was a hired actor, as were the >stand-ins for the personnas of Eric Hughes and John Gilmore), Sandy >Sandfort, Jamie Dinkelacker, and many others. >I disavow any connection to the paranoid "S. Boxx," however. >In fact, I think there are only five actual biological entities on >the list. Makes for some good conspiracy theories for the paranoids. >Finally, I also write under the nym de guerre of "Dorothy Denning." >The real Dorothy Denning is too busy grading papers for her freshman >crypto class to post, so I fill in. >My real name should be apparent to you all. I knew if I used it, the >other four of you would not take me seriously. But now the secret's >out. >David >-- >David Sternlight When the mouse laughs at the cat, > there is a hole nearby.--Nigerian Proverb Oh, my! I'm so confused! I think I may have to sue myself for libel for connecting such two vastly different personas of myself with each other! --Tim May (AKA George Bush, David Sternlight, etc.)

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ANON: _The Economist_ on South Korea
by hughes＠ah.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The 11 Sep 93 Economist had an article on South Korea called "Too clean for comfort" about their president Kim Young Sam and his political housecleaning. I excerpt a relevant passage. [...] One of Mr Kim;s first presidential acts was to bare his assets. Then ministers, MPs and top civil servants were all required to disclose their net worth. To no one's surprise, while the president's people were mostly clean, many of the old guard turned out to be rolling in wealth whose origins they could not readily explain. Many resigned. The "real names" reform, announced on August 12th, was Mr Kim's most radical step yet. The issue had been hotly debated for over a decade. Hitherto South Koreans had been able to keep bank accounts in any name they cared to invent; convenient for tax evasion, and for recycling the cash-stuffed white envelopes that for decades have routinely oiled the country's wheels of business and politics alike. Mr Kim struck out of the blue. Only the secret task force drawing up the plan knew about it; they had told their families that they were on a course in America. Even Mr Kim's cabinet was informed only an hour before the public announcement. Not a word leaked out. [...] Anyone who upsets so many applecarts risks making himself a lot of enemies. But Mr Kim's positioning is good. Anyone who speaks out against real names or asset-baring must surely have something to hide. Conversely, the whole campaign is widely popular with the public, chiming as it does with the widespread perception (even in a country with one fo the world's most even distributions of income) that fat cats are licking off the cream. A new target market? Eric

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Re: Leisure Suit Larry
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In-Reply-To: <9310181910.AA23049(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu>; from "Anonymous" at Oct 18, 93 2:10 pm > Uh, its not "Lance," its "Larry" Detweiler, as in Leisure Suit > Larry. (Sorry, Larry.) Well, Dorothy Denning referred to "Larry Detwiler"'s comments on the ITAR in the latest RISKS, which I don't have handy. I always thought it was Lance. Could there be more than one? Is "tcmay" also posing as one of the L. Detwilers? Are we being pseudospoofed? Maybe someone should call Dan Rather. -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | "Change the world for a better tomorrow. But perobich(a)ingr.com | watch your ass today." - aaron(a)halcyon.com Intergraph Federal Systems | Be a cryptography user- ask me how.

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Re: jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I share many of these same concerns. Ultimately, it's an arms race. One thing is clear: the ways around restrictions lower bandwidth. Examples: steganography and covert channels are low-bandwidth. By analogy, successive transfers of small amounts of money gets around the reporting to the "Benevolent Caretaker" is also a lowering of bandwidth. However, it should be remembered that authorities attempted to outlaw the printing press after its invention. I'm not sure how long that lasted, but since the Soviet Union kept tabs on all copiers, in some sense, such repression lasted a long time. (And in the U.S., it has been said that color copiers are tracked, but this sounds like a bluff to me since a color scanner+color printer is sufficient to duplicate that capability. Is it possible to buy a color copier anonymously?) Given this, it *is* possible that freedom of expression is going to win eventually. Anonymous digital cash is more likely to be compromised since, as you note, even the Swiss have been pressured into opening up their records of anonymous bank accounts. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com P.S.: Prodigy is not yet profitable, last I heard. ``Is that a real network or is that a Sears network?'' --Frank Zappa paraphased.

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Re: "True Names" and "Ender's Game" (was: Cypherwaffle...)
by doug＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) said: >Anyway, I strongly recommend both "True Names" and "Ender's Game." I second that. Not only are they aropos, they are also some of the better stories by those two excellent authors. Doug

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MORE PUBLICITY
by Sandy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT Reply to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Punksters, A friend of mine gave me a copy of a newsletter called "Gary North's REMNANT REVIEW." It bills itself as "explicitly Christian and pro-free market in perspective." This issue covered the bad news: the Waco Massacre cover-up, mysterious death of White House attorney, Vince Foster and the Randy Weaver case. It also covered the good news: Crypto Anarchy(!) The article was based on Kevin Kelly's piece in the "Whole Earth Review." North paraphrased Tim May extensively and was very impressed with the whole concept. It was quite a valentine to Cypherpunks. For subscription information, call (800) 528-0559 (or -0550, it's hard to read my copy). I'll bring a photocopy to the SF meeting in November. S a n d y >>>>>> Please send e-mail to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com <<<<<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Cypherwaffle on spoofing
by plaz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN UNSIGNED MESSAGE----- > I understand Detweiller's frustration. On another list, someone posted >as if he/she were William Gibson. That kind of fraud undermines >confidence on several levels. It attempts to dupe us, and usurps the name >and reputation of a well-known writer, and sets up an atmosphere of >suspicion and doubt fatal to any community. > How would you like it if someone spoofmailed to this list under your >name, then published Nazi slogans and argued for the legalization of rape? > What I find odd is the number and vehemence of posts ON A LIST DEVOTED >TO ENCRYPTION saying "Hey, it's a fact of life, accept it" -- even >dragging out Machiavelli's profoundly mistaken "if you can't enforce >it, don't prohibit it." Of all the groups on the Internet, I would >think that this one would be in a special position to say "put your >digital John Hancock on your post if you want to to taken seriously." So where's your John Hancock? Put your money where your mouth is. Anyone is free to delete unsigned messages, and many people do sign thier messages, but cypherpunks is an informal mailing list. Why require silly rules like this? Over on Extropians this is called spontanious order. If you think something is important, starting doing it, and encourage other people to do it. If it's really as important as you think it is, it'll spread and become a dominant meme. If it's useless drivel, it will be ignored. -----END UNSIGNED MESSAGE----- _______________________________________________________________________ Geoff Dale -- insert standard disclaimers here -- plaz(a)netcom.com "We are the shock troops of reality." - Voice of the Friends (Wild Palms)

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Canon copier engine
by XXCLARK＠indst.indstate.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Edward J OConnell <ejo(a)world.std.com> >Subject: Re: jrk(a)sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) >To: "Perry E. Metzger" <pmetzger(a)lehman.com> >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >seen a canon representative, with a straight face, say at a trade show >that there was a chip in these machines that detected the pattern created >by currency, and blocked out the image. Read something like this in either Electronic Design or Electronic Products, within the last nine months. Sorry, can't cite. Claims were for the _new_ color Canon copiers to be sold beginning 1994. The article claimed the memory of the copier held representations of all major paper currencies. Any attempt to copy would produce only a black rectangle in stead of a bill. The worrisome item was the statement that the copiers would add some sort of unspecified marking to each copy made, allowing copies to be traced back to their source. No details on the latter, of course. Don't recall if there was even a hint of invisibility. With the SS concerned about money funnier than that we use each day, I had no trouble believing in a machine capable of currency recognition. What I could never decide to believe without proof, however, was the marking/traceability claim.

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Re: Crypto Anarchy ...
by an42035＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry Metzger wrote: >Its "apocryphal". ^^^ >I've finally figured out why all these people insist on posting >anonymously. They can't spell. What a useful post. But look again - can you spot the grammar error? It is underlined. Perry must mean "it's" as in "it is"; not "its" as in "possessive". Naturally, using bandwidth to point out spelling error and grammar mistakes is POINTLESS, and WASTEFUL. Perhaps a future requirement to read this list will be: read and understand Emily Post-News Nettiquette. The height of irony is a non-anonymous post (with a grammar error) with a humorous attempt to criticize an anonymous post (with a spelling error). I'll comment on Steve Bellovin's post: excellent overall and thought provoking. However, he is putting the cart before the horse and worrying to much about future acceptance. Technology is neither good nor evil; progress in crypto-anarchy will grind to halt if the people involved become overly concerned with future acceptance. Would we have the phone system of today if AT&T would have waited for Western Union's blessing? We'd probably have some warped telegraph system instead. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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