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Re: David Kahn advocates GAK
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It might also be that David's year long sabatical at NSA's crypto museum which recently ended put him in touch with people who believe in GAK. I found it interesting that he noted the argument that each additional day of government access is a good thing. This is the kind of belief we know that NSA holds -- a.k.a. "not on my watch" -- but I haven't seen it publicly admitted before. - Carl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMuZ35lQXJENzYr45AQEcfwQAqMftG0DXn1nr6faA6IHeAtqSXYanwnZb DiwqppU4nJqPtIvtFw8eOVVwyYCzIv046dFtwR2mk8HeL1v8I3R2sWm7waknFjlm TM84+vLamlVnBNPUAXRYOrFiEhPQm/iitR4GVrcga9mHJ+vrI38XQGzi0lxdg310 pWjq5Fxahag= =xhF7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | | PGP 2.6.2: 61 E2 DE 7F CB 9D 79 84 E9 C8 04 8B A6 32 21 A2 | +-Officer, officer, arrest that man. He's whistling a dirty song.--+

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seeds of our own destruction
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- the pieces of our own destruction by a universal government of a few are all there, many fully documented as bits and pieces; someone who does not have a well known interest in the conspiracy groups to prevent the press from thundering "conspiracy theory" needs to compile a graphical presentation for the monkeys. good luck trying to deliver the message to joe couch potato. the controlled media networks would never sell you time. It is not so much a conspiracy as it is separate, or even UN, groups, working for their own interests --who has the stick?-- Unfortunately, too many of them have overlapped by their common need for a common army, a common taxation system (obviously not balanced by equity) and the right to non-representative taxation after they destroy freedom of speech/privacy and take away the hardware. worse than middle period Marx utopian liberated socialism! The UN's _printed_ statement of the conclusion of the wealth distribution was a UN tax authority to redistribute the wealth.... What intrigues me the most is that even the very rich can not survive in the cesspool they will create. there will be no distinguished caste, no educated caste, etc. You will see the attitude with just barely educated type administrators who will say: "gifted?" Or, she can fend for herself, and eventually just sending the gifted child off to the vegatable farm. Despite all the utopian talk about social order, politically correct unisex, socialism will never deliver enough exceptional individuals to be able to povide all the pyschologists and social workers they envision. Obviously, the fact the white man is probably less than 15% of the total population and has over 80% of the industrial wealth tells you where it starts. The UN is talking about master agricultual product control warehousing and distribution. If 20% of the population is well fed, does that include the US, Canada, Russia (that's a joke), and the grain producing areas of the world? or will the white man be just part of the rest --hungry? == Tyranny Insurance by Colt Manufacturing Co. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMuby9704kQrCC2kFAQFi2QP/RUQibIsyslYso5y7C84fJk3DN/Dn6jqI F4WI2kG0m4nw+rsS97mBJYKzh8V/I8rJd+OPzTwyreVqwPIa9O1E+e9TY2pF+M89 IP/heC/B9Wb3+ZKsJT1+CpWRmIWI0PAHxGSgWkMnIxyl+QajSeDXZMNJ9IVhfpLA zcBo1zfXRCk= =lbD1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by snow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Hallam-baker said: > Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> wrote in article <5bp18k$1cc(a)life.ai.mit.edu>... > > > GSM encrypts only the links to the station - the traffic goes in the > > clear through the station. Plus A5 (crypto algorithm used in GSM) is > > weak, 40 bits of effective key space. > > > > It could be worse to have poor crypto, than no crypto, > > I disagree for two reasons, first there is a big difference between having > poor locks and no locks. Most locks can be picked by an expert, they are > effective against many theifs however. > > Second if everyone in the world was using 40 bit email encryption it > would prevent most of the "promiscuous" interception of communications. Third (as Mr. Vulis <insult deleted> observed) the jump from using poor crypto to using good crypto is a lot shorter than not using crypto to using good crypto. Once people get it in there heads that crypto is good to use, then it is easier to convince them to use "unbreakable" crypto than to convince non-crypto-users.

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Manila says ID system not prelude to martial law (fwd)
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters sez: Message-ID: <Rphilippines-cardUR8Au_7JF(a)clari.net> MANILA, Jan 15 (Reuter) - Philippine President Fidel Ramos on Wednesday dismissed as baseless fears that his order creating a national identification system was a prelude to martial law. ``That is a wild opinion without any basis in fact,'' Ramos told his weekly news conference after Cardinal Jaime Sin, the outspoken Archbishop of Manila, accused him of being authoritarian. {We're talking, therefore it's no threat..} {Sin said it's immoral} {Opposition said could be used to monitor political activities, that it was reminiscent of Marcos.} Officials have said a computerised ID system whereby cards issued to citizens by state pension funds would carry reference numbers assigned to them for life would make it easier for people to transact business with the government and minimise fraud. ``That's all there is to it ... (its) very simple,'' Ramos said. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: David Kahn advocates GAK
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It might also be that David's year long sabatical at NSA's crypto museum which recently ended put him in touch with people who believe in GAK. I found it interesting that he noted the argument that each additional day of government access is a good thing. This is the kind of belief we know that NSA holds -- a.k.a. "not on my watch" -- but I haven't seen it publicly admitted before. - Carl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMuZ35lQXJENzYr45AQEcfwQAqMftG0DXn1nr6faA6IHeAtqSXYanwnZb DiwqppU4nJqPtIvtFw8eOVVwyYCzIv046dFtwR2mk8HeL1v8I3R2sWm7waknFjlm TM84+vLamlVnBNPUAXRYOrFiEhPQm/iitR4GVrcga9mHJ+vrI38XQGzi0lxdg310 pWjq5Fxahag= =xhF7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | | PGP 2.6.2: 61 E2 DE 7F CB 9D 79 84 E9 C8 04 8B A6 32 21 A2 | +-Officer, officer, arrest that man. He's whistling a dirty song.--+

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Decision in Karn Case
by Dave Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We just received this today. This is in part good news that the appeals court did not just affirm the lower court decision but on the other hand, it doesn't give much guidance to the court. A html version is up at: http://www.epic.org/crypto/export_controls/karn_decision_1_97.html Dave ----------------------------------------------------------- UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT No. 96-5121 Philip R. Karn, Jr. v. U.S. Department of State On Appeal from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia Before: Williams, Ginsburg, and Rogers, Circuit Judges January 21, 1997 JUDGMENT In light of the recent Executive Order transferring regulatory authority of non-military cryptographic computer source code to the Commerce Department, and the Commerce Department's promulgation of a new regulation under the authority of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. secs. 1701 et seq., we remand this case to the district court to consider the reviewability of and, if appropriate, the merits of appellant's claim under the Administrative Procedure Act. Because "basic tenets of judicial restraint and separation of powers call upon [the court] first to consider alternative grounds for resolution" when the court is asked to answer a question involving the Constitution of the United States, Lamprecht v. FCC, 958 F.2d 382, 389-90 (D.C. Cir. 1992), we do not reach the constitutional issues raised by this appeal. The clerk is directed to withhold issuance of the mandate herein until seven days after disposition of any timely petition for rehearing. See D.C. Cir. Rule 41(a)(2). This instruction to the Clerk is without prejudice to the right of any party at any time to move for expedited issuance of the mandate for a good cause shown. Per Curiam FOR THE COURT: /s/ Mark J. Langer, Clerk ========================================================================= David Banisar (Banisar(a)epic.org) * 202-544-9240 (tel) Electronic Privacy Information Center * 202-547-5482 (fax) 666 Pennsylvania Ave, SE, Suite 301 * HTTP://www.epic.org Washington, DC 20003 PGP Key: http://www.epic.org/staff/banisar/key.html =========================================================================

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ping
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ping -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Digital signatures
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C[unt] May was born when his mother was on the toilet. \\\|||/// ======= | O : O | Timmy C[unt] May \`_^_'/ _|^|_

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Fuck Sandy Sandfart
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a test. This is only a cocksucking test. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:16:00 -0800 > From: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd) > > Jim Choate wrote: > > 'We' shouldn't, it is their own country and it is up to their populace to > > stop it. Do you really want Singapore or China having a say in how we run > > our web? I certainly don't, and won't support any move to force any > > particular view on them. > > And Germany was Hitler and the Nazi Party's own country. And your point is? Are you equating a specific individual or organization with Hitler or the National Socialist? > Do you really want Clinton and GingWretch having a say in how we run > our No, and I have a vote to express that sentiment with and a 'press' (ssz.com) by which I may express my views irrelevant of how that vote may resolve itself. If the people in those counties want to give away their freedom that is their business (and right), not mine, yours, or this countries unless there is evidence they are trying to take their views and impose them here. Do you have said evidence? In reference to Hitler, had he stayed in his own country WWII and the ensuing half century of conflict would most likely not have occured. I say, let them filter themselves into economic collapse, intellectual nihilism, and political suicide. Suicide, assissted or otherwise, is a right any and all individuals have whether acting as individuals or as groups. Remember Masada! Never forget, a tree can exist without a forest but a forest can not exist without trees. It is a one way street however much some people may want to convince us otherwise. > It may be 'their' country ('their' being the government), but it is > 'their' world ('their' being the people). A goverment is people. This reminds me of the argument of the sanctity of law that so many people have. It is only ink on paper that people agree to go along with until they get their fill. Consider, history is full of examples of this process and with California and Massachusettes move on legalizing medical marijuana we may be seeing the first move of a return to states being much more adament on what they can and can't do (per the 9th and 10th). > There was a reason that the > Western powers didn't return East Germans who broke the laws of their > country by climbing over the wall and running for freedom. > Making information available does not 'force' a view on anyone. If those people agree to support a system that limits or controls what information they get to see that is their choice. It didn't work in Russia and it won't work in Singapore or China any better. If the US were to continue to press forward on oppressive legislation and the people don't do anything actively to fight it the same thing will happen here, economic collapse which forces a political collapse. However, we won't get there because the more the government employees and officials 'crack down' the more resistance they will get. You can fool most of the people some of the time, some of the people most of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. The key to democratic success is not compromise but rather the unwillingness to compromise. > > Bull, the web was conceived so physicist and other researchers could share > > data in a easily digestible format. > > No. The internet was conceived so that the DOD could monitor the > communications > of physicists and researchers who thought it was awfully nice of the > government > to provide this wonderful method of sharing data and information. The Web does not equal the Internet, straw man argument. The original goal of the Internet was to allow computers to be connected in a nuclear conflict and the period afterward when communications would be most critical. How people may have bastardized it since then does not change the original reasons (unless you accept revisionist history as a valid endeavour, I don't). One of the biggest problems this country has right now is the inability of people like yourself to differentiate the difference between the ideals of the country and the people who impliment it. The problem is not the government or the ideals it was founded on but rather the way we impliment it. Our government is people, who put their pants on the same way you or I do (assuming you wear pants that is). They are not inherently some mineon of Hell, they are people who in general either don't give a damn and it's just a job or else they really believe what they are doing. Our government is NOT some ideal or non-real entity, despite how many citizens may rail about it in that manner. It just don't make it so. Accept and deal with your schizophrenic tendencies and help solve this national problem we face. Let's try to solve it now so that our grandchildren won't have to fight this fight again. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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