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Re: FCPUNX:PGP Key Escrow and Congress
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Oct 15, 1997 at 02:10:54PM -0400, Eli Brandt wrote: > Bruce Schneier wrote: > > From: "Barbara Simons" <simons(a)VNET.IBM.COM> > > > > Some of these are old arguments that we've been hearing for a while, > > but some are newer. In particular, points 4 and 6 are difficult to > > refute without getting into some technical details. Both points also > > undercut the argument that a key recovery infrastructure potentially > > weakens security. After all, the NSA thinks it's secure enough that it > > can be used by the government. > > Non-technical point: the NSA (reportedly) has no intention of using > GAK for classified information. They know that it weakens security. You have this wrong. In fact, NSA *supplies* keys for classified encryption equipment. They never told me whether they "escrowed" copies of the keys they supply -- what do you think? > Do the privacy of the nation's data and the security of its > information infrastructure deserve the same consideration as the > Pentagon's "Confidential" memos? When you're planning to build in a > single point of failure, this is a question you have to ask. In fact, it's much more complex. People with real classified data don't trust encryption at all, and they only use it if they absolutely have to. They, unlike many cypherpunks, remember well that there are other ways to get information besides running big computers, and if you have protections against those in place already, crypto doesn't buy much. But classified data isn't really interesting. Though by any measure there are huge amounts of it, it is dwarfed by the amount of government data that is not classified. To protect that data government agencies will use comercial crypto, and "key recovery" *will* be required in any commercial product purchased by a government agency. As use of crypto becomes commonplace business practice, the government market will be huge, and consequently, commercial products with key recovery *will* be prevelant. Any company that doesn't supply it will be relegated to niche markets, and, if legal winds blow the wrong way, eliminated. Crow This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Liberal lawyer joke from Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #34
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 15 Oct 97 at 8:38, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: > FOCUS: A Liberal lawyer sitting in Parliament thinks that a new law will > fix anything. What is the difference between a Liberal lawyer sitting in > Parliament and a sturgeon? One is a scum-sucking bottom feeder, and the > other is a fish. >

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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re: consensus on pgp? can we consolidate for action?
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- after I mailed the rant, I thought maybe the paragraph below was incomplete: # of course, I may be presumptuous PGP would even want to hear # from us, let alone have any form of "Cypherpunks Inside" # (yuk) label on the box! particularly with the round robin # multi-teaming of the sleepless Jon Callas. # should have said ..."Cypherpunks Inside" label on the box: of course, they might it consider it preferable to being labeled: "Big Brother Inside" # # this has been an addendum to an attila rant... attila, out, again, one more time.... it aint over 'til the fat lady sings and vahalla is burning! "attila" sig: 1024/C20B6905/23D0 FA7F 6A8F 6066 BCAF AE56 98C0 D7B0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBNEZc+L04kQrCC2kFAQE1AwP/W+BJ+a2rGhTh90lnMqt8RZCTOtmpWYrl DMCQ+zojBnfRAkzZ/ethdnXYNgOlCRV/xWejMgOjLxlp3LDiAfzdgJM+u4ZCbZR3 Dvmkfs8uu8oK8E+3Ztb/H3XovXM6pxUtwoEaJKlOScBw2ypLFER3aZe1SVLnmDeb P9vIBbx5j+4= =NOox -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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OUBAKAYAROU!!
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) >Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:11:09 -0700 > >At 9:18 PM -0700 10/15/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: >Where are another cypherpunk mailinglist ? > > >Am another cypherpunks mailinglist at cyperpunk(a)dev.null. >You go there, chop chop. >You not talk about Misty here anymore, OK? We am tired hering about >Misty and your fees. > >--Tim-san > > > Shine Shine!! Bakayarou!! Aho!! Manuke!! Anpontan!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: Liberal lawyer joke from Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #34
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 16 Oct 97 at 9:58,somebody wrote: > Research labs are increasingly replacing rats with lawyers. > > There are three reasons for this: > > 1. The lawyers are in abundant supply > 2. The lab workers do not develop any kind of emotional attachment to lawyers > 3. There are things you just can't get a rat to do.

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