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Stats on the lists
by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone said a while ago that they were working on a list stats generator that makes a summary of what messages were on one feed and not another, how fast each feed ran, and so on. Is there any news on this? thanks

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UK cryptography list
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After much playing with majordomo I have decided to create a UK cryptography list, I intend the list to focus on UK cryptography research, law, activism, announcements of conferences/meetings etc... The list is being hosted on fatmans.demon.co.uk, which is served by a dial up connection, so message latency will be around 12 hours on average, but I do not see this as a problem as I imagine list traffic will not be very high. Of course, the list will be open for anyone to subscribe whether in the UK or not, and it will be totally unmoderated (with the exception of majordomos command filter which sends posts containing the string "subscribe" to the list owner instead of the list). To subscribe to the list send email to majordomo(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk with the string "subscribe crypto" in the message body. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Julf ordered to reveal anon IDs
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Julf Johan Helsingius (Julf) has been ordered to release the identity of the poster of one of the Scamizdat series of confidential materials. "The Court of Appeals of Helsinki (Helsingin hovioikeus) has upheld the decision of the local court of Helsinki, in which Johan 'Julf' Helsingius was ordered to reveal the user id of the person who used the anon.penet.fi server to repost parts of Scamizdat, a collection of secret Scientology scriptures. "In its decision dated 4th of June 1997, the Court of Appeals orders Helsingius to reveal the names in 30 days after the decision becomes final. If he doesn't try to appeal the decision it will mean that he has to reveal the user id within three months. He might appeal the decision to the Supreme Court within 60 days, in which case the whole thing will take longer, regardless of whether the Supreme Court chooses to consider the case or not. "The following ID's were used to send material through anon.penet.fi: an498608(a)anon.penet.fi, an545430(a)anon.penet.fi "The material was a repost of Scamizdat #11, in several parts. The original repost was done on 15.2.1996, and partly repeated 12.3.1996." Message-ID: <5n7g0v$h75(a)reimari.uwasa.fi>

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Re: FC97 in July Wired
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

About the third thing I imagined, after imagining the world's first financial cryptography conference, and, better yet, having it on Anguilla in February; and, after imagining it as Wired's featured 'Deductible Junket'; was imagining a nice feature article in Wired on the conference after it was all over. Thanks to Charles Platt, I now figure I can die and go to heaven, as all three have happened. :-). Out of Town Newspapers in Harvard Square says they'll have the July Wired next Friday. It appears that Vince gets a subscription down in Anguilla, which got there yesterday, and probably everywhere else, I reckon. So, the checks may take 90 days to clear in Anguilla, but at least the mail gets there on time... Stay tuned for details (as we imagine them :-)) about FC98, and about the FC97 conference proceedings, which should be published by Springer-Verlag this summer. Cheers, Bob Hettinga, General Chairman, Financial Cryptography, 1997/98, Anguilla, BVI P.S. if you, or anyone you know, is interested in FC98 sponsorship or exhibition space opportunities, please contact me. --- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:57:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: online.offshore.com.ai: list set sender to fc97-request(a)offshore.com.ai using -f Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 08:57:04 -0400 (AST) From: Vincent Cate <vince(a)offshore.com.ai> To: fc97(a)online.offshore.com.ai cc: ois-news(a)online.offshore.com.ai Subject: FC97 in July Wired MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-From: fc97(a)offshore.com.ai X-Mailing-List: <fc97(a)offshore.com.ai> archive/latest/57 X-Loop: fc97(a)offshore.com.ai Precedence: list Resent-Sender: fc97-request(a)offshore.com.ai The July issue of Wired magazine has an article about the Financial Cryptography 97 conference held in Anguilla. -- Vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vincent Cate Offshore Information Services Vince(a)Offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/ Anguilla, BWI http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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subscribe
by Dinesh Mahtani (Dino) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Steak Knife Decryption
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Subject: Re: Steak Knife Decryption > To: mpd(a)netcom.com (Mike Duvos) > Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:44:15 -0500 (CDT) > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Organization: Bool Sheet Software > Reply-to: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Mike Duvos wrote: > > > I am not quite clear if rational people can get something out of > torturing other rational people. Maybe, I am confused and wrong > somewhere. > - Igor. Torture is a means of producing an irrational state in people's minds (at least temporarily), thus causing them to do things they would not rationally do (sign a prepared confession, reveal a secret, etc) If torture could not do this, it would not be used; verbal persuasion over tea and crumpets is *so* much more pleasant. Even people who might be able to face a more or less painless death with equanimity (in the pursuit of some greater cause) may break down as the bamboo splints are pushed under their fingernails. 'Rational torture victim' is an oxymoron. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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17 Dec '03

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Access to Storage and Communication Keys
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The government and its friends have tried for a while to convince the public that there's a great business market for access to keys by the Proper Authorities, whether bosses or cops. A number of us on the Pro-Privacy side have contended that this is wrong - the business need is for later access to stored files, not to encrypted communications keys and of course not to signature keys. Having argued that point vociferously in the past, I'm now going to waffle on the issue - while the business need is for access to stored data, this may often include stored messages received from a communication system in encrypted form. Either the User Interface needs to make it convenient to store the decrypted message, or else the user will store the message in encrypted form - which means there may be a business need for Proper Authority Access later. This means, as {cypher,coder,ranter}punks, we need to address this problem when building crypto tools, to avoid building systems that create or sustain a business need for access to communication keys. Some email systems really encourage you to save messages in one big hulking undocumented monolithic email box, with subfolders and databases and attachments and pointers, and some are a bit more friendly but still leave bits and pieces of MIME splattered on your disk. Some of the nicer tools I've used for encrypted file/mail handling make it convenient to take encrypted incoming mail, decrypt it, and either view it or save it to a file or clipboard. I've been using PGP Inc.'s PGP5.0 Eudora Plug-In, and it decrypts the mail into the mail message buffer itself. When you finish with that particular message (e.g. go to the next, or just close it), you get asked it you want to save the modified message, and if you say "yes" you'll have the decrypted message in your mailbox. However, there's a negative about this - if you receive mail that's signed and encrypted, and save the modified version, it loses the signature information - so it may be more valuable to save the encrypted version... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I really don't think that se7en just wants to censor the kiddie porn sites; I think he is on a personal vendetta (like McVeigh). He didn't call for anyone to support legislation and propose new, tough laws, but called for hackers to go after this particular target. On the net anyone is prey, remember; kiddie porn dealers not exempted. It's moot to discuss whether eliminating a few thousand digital images will make any difference on the availability/market desireability of these pictures (I expect these are all backed up somewhere, anyway, so destroying them probably wouldn't actually make much difference, but just anger the owners.) How many photos of real children arranged into sexual poses or imposed upon to perform sexual acts does it take to satisfy an addict? How many photos which are not duplicates do these people actually possess, and how many more do they seek to obtain? Is it the number of them, or the thrill of the "new"? That a certain number of these photos are in circulation may not be so important as the fact that they are "new" (to the person looking to get them). This means that having free circulation of large numbers of images may be beside the point (I am speculating and calculating based on almost total ignorance of the psychology of this type of individual). If these pedophiles just want to fantasize, I would offer they could get a package of Macromedia Freehand or Director and Photoshop and create their own. But that probably wouldn't be satisfactory to them. I expect there is something in the qualities and character of real children which draw them. But I digress. The subject was hacking at your own chosen target. Some people hack children's innocence; some people hack the hackers. Que sera' sera'. .. Blanc

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