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by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code)
by Jim McCoy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Frank O'Dwyer writes: >Agreed. For example, having SSLeay (say) used in some proprietary >program or other would achieve very little in the way of "cypherpunk >goals" (unless perhaps the company voluntarily published improvements >and bug fixes for SSLeay). Excuse me? What exactly to you think the "cypherpunk goals" are? It seems to me that promoting the adoption of strong crypto by everyone is high on the list and when we say "everyone" we mean to include the vast majority of users who are using propriatary and closed-source programs. That means that if a proprietary program uses SSLeay or any other crypto library to give the program strong crypto then the "cypherpunk goals" are being achienved. I don't give a damn whether the application is "free" or not, I care whether or not it provides users with good security and privacy. The relative freedom of the program (regardless of who is defining the word freedom) is incidental to the matter. If Microsoft came out with a statement that they were going to use SSLeay to provide all users (foreign and domestic) with strong crypto at all levels of the OS I am quite certain that Eric would be quite happy with this outcome even though no source would be shared and no improvements or bug fixes would come back from Redmond. jim

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17 Dec '03

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(Fwd) Request for Assistance
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Vertical vs. Horizontal Crypto (was: RE: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code))
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Lucky Green writes: >Cyphpunks believe that more strong crypto is better. And this holds true for vertical as well as horizontal applications. Unlike Mr. Stallman, I think that there is a case where closed-source software is appropriate, and that case is vertical applications. Just as I wouldn't propose that TCE release the source code for our devices (RCA TVs, ProScan VCRs, etc.), as the intellectual return on the release would be low (how many people are going to write low-level software for their own TVs?), I think it is also inappropriate for other vertical-market applications (another example: book library maintenance software). However, some of the bad effects of closed-source crypto can be countered by the use of open crypto protocols, like TLS/SSL, OpenPGP, IPSec, and the like. Although this still won't protect against all attempts at getting around the security of the crypto protocol, at least some crypto protocols are pretty immune to these kinds of attacks -- for example, a PC web browser talking to a set-top box using TLS should only be able to be subverted by the set-top box itself, not by a third party through a hole in the protocol. I'm somewhat surprised that no one has brought this (open crypto protocols) up in the discussion before. (Could it be that I had an original idea? Nah...) ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Anguilla in the news
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/science/sci-lizard-raft.html Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:32 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > > HOW MUCH CODE DID 'CYPHERPUNK' TIM MAY EVER WRITE? > How much have YOU written (as if anyone really cares)? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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