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Re: NEXT CHALLENGE: so, when does it start?
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I've got the program, and I'm ready to start sweeping (about 35,600 keys/sec on a P5 90 Mhz NT machine - have to see how many I can draft for this) - I even compiled for Win 3.11 (less than 800 keys/sec on a 486/33 - don't think I'll bother). I've got the challenge file from Adam's messages. But when do we start? Have we started already? Have we completed? It's difficult to tell. There was talk of starting at 12:00GMT (about 6 AM here on the east coast), but there was no 'start now' message to the list. At Adam's site, I can see that 'project 11fa' has been completed, but the key (000000001234) looks like test data. If I try to allocate keys, I get the 600 SLEEP 3600 message, which suggests strongly that the seach has not started yet. Adam, when you fix a time to start the search, could you: 1. Send a message to the list, clearly saying so, and giving the time. 2. Put a <h1>headline</h1> in your page saying it's underway? Thanks. Peter Trei Senior Software Engineer Purveyor Development Team Process Software Corporation trei(a)process.com

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Re: Netly News Fan Mail
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Duvos wrote: > It appears that the CPAC/Sewer folks have read the recent Netly News > article on their activities and were not pleased. This little blurb > healines the "Sewer List" this morning. > > -----Begin Officer Paladino Rant----- > > July 29, 1997, I was told of an article that appeared on the Net. > It appeared on a Netly News site. ... > In the article he links to a few sites showing young boys but he > forgot to link to the 1000's of sites showing young boys in the > nude. > You will see sites exposing young boys, as young as 4 years old, > nude. Strange. I followed some of the links on the Sewer site, and all I found was that they were harassing and slandering people with perfectly legitimate reasons for having normal pictures of clothed children on their site. Are child actors supposed to put pictures of adults who look similar to them on their web sites? Are pictures of themself (fully clothed) "pornography" when gay teens put them on a web site, but pictures of themself that Christian teens put of themself on s web site are "wholesome?" > Freedom is a great thing and this is the greatest country in the > world. I wonder how many soldiers that gave their lifes fighting > for that freedom, had pictures of nude boys in their wallets, > instead of their families. Think about > that....................... No doubt some of those soldiers had naked pictures of their children in their wallets, but I doubt if those pictures gave them a hard-on, as they would obviously do for Officer Paladino. Officer Paladino seems to fail to understand that "his" hard-on does not make "other" people perverts. > -----End Officer Paladino Rant----- > Will someone please buy this poor man a spell-checker? :) Intelligence and educations are not requirements to become a member of the Righteous Right. Neither are tolerance and respect for the personal moral beliefs of others. It will be interesting to see whose "moral values" prevail on the InterNet when the laws and traditions of various societies and nations come into conflict. My prediction is that it will be the moral values of the most intolerant nation with the largest weapons. Dr. Anonymous

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Re: Third World Man
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:50 PM 8/22/95, MONTY HARDER wrote: >TC> When a certain character in a television show referred to "Third World >TC> mutants," he was also referring to "your basic brown types." (His words, >TC> not mine. Ten credits to anyone who can identify the t.v. show and the >TC> character.) > > "Hill Street Blues", Lt. Howard Hunter. Congratulations! Two other people said "Archie Bunker"/"All in the Family." A good guess, but it was indeed Howard. >TC> The term "Fourth World" has in the last 20 years come to refer to the >TC> countries which are so impoverished as to be almost hopeless. Bangla Desh >TC> is the canonical Fourth World nation. > > Cyberia is the "Fifth World", akin to the "Fifth Dimension". Let the >sun shine.... The dawning of the age of Aquarius? --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: New Cryptography Regulations
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:05 PM 11/15/96 -0500, hallam(a)vesuvius.ai.mit.edu wrote: >The main change is that from now on the decisions are to be made >by the department of commerce and not by the department of state. > >This is probably good news since the commerce department has the >interests of industry as its primary mission. I am expecting them to use the Interstate commerce clause in the Constitution to enable them to enact whatever rules they want without that pesky "freedom of speech" thing getting in the way. I am sure that any commerce secretary that dare to loosen the export restrictions would quickly find him/herself out of a job. Clinton and Gore have both shown that they get arroused at the thought of being able to read everyone else's e-mail and listen to their phone calls. I don't expect them to do anything that would thwart that fetish. (Power is the ultamite turn-on. When you can pry into the details of every part of a person's life, you have a great deal of power. Clinton/Gore/etc have shown no resistance to that seduction.) I expect that this will add more bodies to the LaBrea ITAR pits, not take any away. >There is a third document I believe but its not yet been issued. Waiting for the third shoe to drop? --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD." - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: Third World Man
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 22:25 8/21/95, Timothy C. May wrote: >When a certain character in a television show referred to "Third World >mutants," he was also referring to "your basic brown types." (His words, >not mine. Ten credits to anyone who can identify the t.v. show and the >character.) Archie Bunker? All in the Family (I think is the show title).

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17 Dec '03

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free market services vs monopoly government
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote at the bottom of another post: > General rhetorical question: indeed why have governments at all? and Kent Crispin parried: : General rhetorical answer: Because people are the way they are. Kent you seem to harbor the belief that government monopoly is a good thing, or at least that government is somehow an unavoidable necessary evil. I doubt I'll convince you otherwise, but in case there are other people reading who still think governments the best way of doing anything, I'll try to explain why I think government monopoly is a bad thing. Are you opposed to free markets? Government holds a number of monopolies. These monopolies are not efficient. They result in resource wastage on a mind boggling scale. The USG has pretty much bankrupt your country, the US national debt being I understand at a level where US citizens collectively do not have the resources to pay it off. If a privately or publicly held company got to that stage the receivers would be sent in. The success that a country does enjoy is pretty much proportional to the degree of market freedom. Luckily for us our governments have left a bit of freedom in markets, or we would have food shortages, and rationing. In economies with extremely low amounts of market freedom, the readily observable inefficiency demonstrates my point. (eg Former Soviet Union communist economy). Governments tend to grow, and soak up larger tax percentages, and encroach into more aspects of life which were previously a question of free choice, or were previously purely market driven. The reason for this growth is due to the government as an entity unconciously promoting itself as an organism. A great huge cancerous growth which has us by the jugular. The reason governments as businesses can get away with their abysmal performance is because they have a near complete monopoly. A good start would be a choice in government, to generate some competition. So you can buy membership in a protection racket, hire the services of a private security firm, or buy insurance from an insurance group because of its benefits package, or go elsewhere if the offering sucks. You choose on an individual basis what package best suits you, and you choose the service providers who you consider as the best value for money. eg. I can go buy into Uncle Enzo's pizza delivery and protection racket because the protection is 5000% better value for money than the Feds deal. I can pick and choose the services I want to produce a mix which satisfies me. Double efficiency, people don't have services provided for them which they actively don't want, and I can buy services which the government attempts to prevent the market from providing, so my requirements are better met. As well as the increased efficiency obtained in provision of services which governments are currently holding monopolies on, the reduced taxation and regularatory burdens put on the economy would cause a boom. And your argument is? That people want government? Fine, let those sheeple that do want something even more oppresive and intrusive than the current government buy into whatever form of oppresive cult they want. Perhaps a sheltered perimeter gaurded enclave where all media is censored, there is capital punishment for spitting on the side walk, evil thoughts results in public flogging, etc, and where the taxation rate is 90% would suit them to a T. Great! We need some evolutionary pressures anyway. So which mix would you choose Kent? Or are you arguing that there are lots of stupid people, and that you are happy to let their ill-informed choices, and their willingness to go with the bankrupt corrupt status quo fuck your life up? Why should there be blanket decisions made and forced upon you as an individual. Free choice makes for much more efficiency in terms of economics, and in terms of individuals happiness. Here's a reading list for those interested in disbanding government and replacing it with services purchased on the free market: "Snow Crash", Neal Stephenson Snow Crash is a sci-fi novel giving a depiction depictions of life with choice in services, private law enforcement services competing with Uncle Enzo's pizza mafia. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is a sci-fi novel giving a depiction of a wild-west like legal system. There are no laws, excepting individual responsibility. "Machinery of Freedom" 2nd Ed, David Friedman Machinery of Freedom talks about free market methods to provide services that have traditionally been provided by government. "The Wealth of Nations", Adam Smith The Wealth of Nations is an interesting book despite being published in 1776. Didn't have his judgement clouded by this namby-pamby socialist/communist junk. Pure capitalism, examining why the free market is efficient. "The Road to Serfdom", Hayek Road to Serfdom explains in Hayeks view that socialism is a slippery slope leading to economic decline and communism. In context of Nazism after second world war. He makes the case that Socialism the root of much evil. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by Dr. Jai Maharaj 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:58 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: > Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai(a)mantra.com> wrote: > >|At 11:21 AM 7/31/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: >|> Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai(a)mantra.com> writes: >|>|> ...where on this scale do you start to object to my actions: >|>|>1) I use a killfile to ignore certain messages. >|>|>2) I program my personal newsserver to discard certain messages. >|>|>3) A group of us, by consensus, program our common newsserver... >|>| >|>|Unanimous consent? >|>| >|>|>4) A system admin, with due notice to users, programs a >|>|>newserver..... >|>| >|>|What constitutes "due notice" in the present context? >|> >|>Postings in news.announce.newusers. >| >|That's ridiculous. One shopping for an ISP, without >|access to the Net, is not in a position to read a >|notice in a newsgroup. > >No, but any decent ISP (or corporate or institutional system > administrator) will . . . The faact that an ISP supports censorship takes away the "decent" qualification, thus invalidating the other premise and whatever else was built upon it. > . . . suggest reading that newsgroup in their > material for new users and/or set up new accounts so they > are automatically subscribed to it. & any sensible new user > will read & heed. That is unacceptable since the users would have already paid for the account by that time and signed a contract. Jai Maharaj jai(a)mantra.com Om Shanti

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by Dr. Jai Maharaj 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:28 PM 7/30/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: > . . . Perhaps more to the point, cancels conserve > resources on newservers. That is like saying "by decreasing the human population by mass murder, our resources are conserved." Censorship is not justified by stating that it causes the information to be reduced so as to lighten the load on a network. > ...where on this scale do you start to object to my actions: > 1) I use a killfile to ignore certain messages. > 2) I program my personal newsserver to discard certain messages. > 3) A group of us, by consensus, program our common newsserver... Unanimous consent? > 4) A system admin, with due notice to users, programs a > newserver..... What constitutes "due notice" in the present context? If an ISP were to advertise "Newsgroups censored through forgery", then that would be "due notice". > 5) A group of admins agree to jointly program their newsservers > so that some of them can cause all systems to discard messages. Given the proposed "due notice" above, ISPs with such administrators are not likely to attract many customers. Jai Maharaj jai(a)mantra.com Om Shanti

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Text files
by satan_is_a_hacker＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ho was the one who wanted a list of my texts? I deleted the message accidentally

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