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RE: tcmay in favour of redistribution of wealth?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:27 PM 10/31/96 +0000, Hard Media wrote: > >Where Walter Wriston/Third World debt is concerned the events are not >natural, we'r not talking about a flood, which is a "natural" event but the >actions of a man, or if you prefer an organisation. There is nothing "natural" >about these. > >A country in debt to the IMF/World Bank or Citibank must accept >"Stabilisation Policies" : Tim is opposed to the existence of the World Bank and Robert McNamara. No libertarians I know of favor the existence of the World Bank. DCF

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Re: Prof Shamir arrested
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Jim Bell wrote: >[many things on "fraud"] > >Excuse me if I don't react on this in detail. We have already >explained it, and there it stands: fraud means playing a game without >abiding by its rules. It's perfectly legitimate to establish a game >and to introduse rules of the game with it. If you want to play the >game, play by its rules, otherwise don't play it. If you play it >while cheating, though, you must bear the consequences ("go directly >to jail" ;-). > Or play the game the way nations do, be prepared to meet LE with equal or greater force or creditable threat of same. -- Steve

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ANNOUNCE: Scientists for Labour encryption and escrow conf, Nov 14th,"Liberty on the Line"
by Caspar Bowden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Full details: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~sfl/meetings/itconf.html PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AND LINK TO YOUR WEB-SITE: Scientists for Labour - IT & Communications Group Conference on Information Superhighway Policy --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Liberty on the Line : Opportunities and Dangers of the Superhighway" --------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaired by Geoff Hoon MP, Shadow Minister for IT Thursday 14th November 1996, 9am - 5:30pm MSF Centre, 33-37 Moreland Street, London EC1 (Angel tube) --------------------------------------------------------------------- For further details or to reserve a place contact: Caspar Bowden, SfL IT & Comms co-ordinator (qualia(a)dircon.co.uk) The debate over Internet regulation in the UK has focused mainly on censorship, but the standards for control of "encryption keys", currently being formulated nationally and internationally, will lay the permanent foundations on which the Information Society is built. The long-term implications for civil liberties have received little public attention outside the Internet community. Scientists for Labour is hosting a conference to look at the data protection and economic issues arising from the integration of digital signatures, electronic copyright management, and digital cash. What kind of regulatory apparatus will allow rapid growth of an information economy, but prevent misuse of personal data ? *) New government proposals on "Trusted Third Parties", which aim to preserve law enforcement and national security capabilities for warranted interception of communications (to fight crime and terrorism), place only procedural not technical limits on the scope of Superhighway surveillance. *) Super-computers have the potential to conduct random electronic "fishing expeditions" against the whole population. Telephone and letter interception cannot be automated : digital monitoring can. Will legal safeguards against abuse offer adequate protection in perpetuity, or can cryptographic protocols be designed which make Superhighway mass- surveillance impossible, while still allowing criminals to be targeted ? Computer and legal policy experts will explain the principles of the different technologies, and the international and commercial context, in a search for interdisciplinary solutions. The attendance fee is ?5 (?2 unwaged ; SfL members free) For press information please contact : Bobbie Nicholls, SfL Press Officer, Fax: 01235 529172 The Scientists for Labour home page (http://www.shef.ac.uk/~sfl/) has information on how to join SfL, or contact the Secretary : Dr Robin Walters (R.G.Walters(a)shef.ac.uk) Programme --------- 9.00-9.30 Registration SfL members free, non-members ?5 (?2 unwaged) 9.30-9.45 Geoff Hoon MP Introduction 9.45-10.45 Dr.John Leach Cryptography and developments in Trusted Third Party policy 10.45-11.45 Dr.Ross Anderson Some problems with the Trusted Third Party programme 11.45-12.00 Coffee 12.00-12.30 Simon Davies Escrow and the hidden threat to human rights and privacy 12.30-1.00 Elizabeth France (Data Protection Registrar) 1.00-2.00 Buffet lunch 2.00-2.45 Prof. Charles Public policy and legal aspects of Intellectual Oppenheim Property Rights 2:45-3.30 Alistair Kelman Electronic Copyright Management : Possibilities and Problems 3.30-3.45 Tea 3:45-4:45 Andrew Graham Will the Information Superhighway enhance or diminish democracy ? 4.45-5.30 Panel Session Discussion (inc. Robert Schifreen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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DC Digest
by se7en 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What a pain in the ass! You leave town for a bit and the backlog gets insane! Anyway, http://www.dis.org/se7en/ and click on DC-Digest for those of you who wanna save your inbox. Other issues will appear tomorrow, starting with more recent, and going back to the older. All signal, no noise. Each post is hyperlinked from a table of contents, and every follow-up post is hyperlinked to the original post. All email addresses and URLs are also hyperlinked. Order is *slighty* skewed to read more coherently, and can be read from top to bottom for maximum effectiveness. Off to bed, se7en

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No Subject
by sharadid＠cbn.net.id 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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Junkbusters: Invite the Government in!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

QUOTE A direct quote from: http://www.junkbusters.com/ht/en/spam.html We think that junk email should be made illegal in the same way that junk faxes have been outlawed in the US. Unfortunately it will take lawmakers some time to get around to it, and even then spammers would probably try remailing through other jurisdictions to evade regulation. END QUOTE. I have only posted to this list RE: Internet Marketing and Spam. I have found that the general feeling runs against regulation of the internet. These Junkbuster people are crying for government intervention. The government coming into the internet is a bad idea. Therefore: Junkbusters is a bad idea. Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Reason for AP anonymity
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Astrologer released after predicting death of Venezuela president By Vivian Sequera ASSOCIATED PRESS CARACAS, Venezuela - An astrologer who predicted 80 year-old President Rafael Caldera's "death" next year was released by political police Thursday after two days of questioning in detention. Jose Bernardo Gomez, 47, said he was detained "because I spoke about the possibility of the death of President Caldera." The widely feared Department of Intelligence and Prevention Services wanted to know where Gomez At his information, he said, and whether he was connected to leftist political groups. Caldera's astrological chart ,show that "Uranus is over the sun, Pluto is in ascendancy and Mars is going behind its moon" - not a good sign for the president, Gomez told police. "I've been sustaining the possibility of the death of the president of the republic for a long time," Gomez said, adding that the word "death" is "symbolic language that could be physical or something of another order." The arrest of the rotund, boarded and jovial 47-year old philosophy professor at Venezuela Central University was treated as front-page news by the mainstream daily newspaper El Nacional and other media. Government officials, perhaps a little embarrassed, played down the incident. "He's not accused of anything," Interior Minister Jose Guillermo Andueza said tersely. Political police merely wanted to know "what basis he has for making this kind of statement." Gomez, an academic with postgraduate degrees in history, education, psychology and philosophy from three Venezuela universities, said he meant Caldera no wrong and, in fact, voted for Caldera for his first term in 1968. "I wish the president good health. I'm not betting on his sicknesses, much less on his death," Gomez said in an interview in his home two hours after his release. "It's just that from an astrological point of view, 1997 looks dark for Caldera." Gomez spoke publicly on the topic at a conference of businessmen on Oct. 12.

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(no subject)
by Arnaldo Giacomitti Junior 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: considering internet/privacy periodical
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:31 PM 10/27/96 -0800, Tim May wrote: >But Greg probably already knows about all these things. If he thinks >there's a market, maybe there is. Actually, I don't think there's enough of a market to justify a real business; I don't see any serious $ here (in fact, there's probably very little $ here). As far as I can tell, most of the money being made with the Internet so far comes from selling things to people who think they can make money on the Internet. My mention of a price comes from my impression that there may be some folks who'd be interested - mostly law-oriented folks but this is likely true of other "serious professionals/academics" - but who have organized their information gathering practices around paper, such that an electronic-only publication isn't "real" to them. But given my relatively poor cash flow situation and the tendency of human beings to sign up for anything that's free, I don't think it's a good idea to offer free FAX or paper distribution, since those media choices would cost me per subscriber. Mostly I see a hole right now in between the one-shot web pages/FAQs people build which explain remailers (and other privacy technologies) and Raph's remailer list, which is pretty tightly focused on the technical/reliability aspects of cypherpunk-style remailers without providing a lot of historical or technical context. (To clarify, I think both the FAQ's and Raph's remailer reliability tracking are valuable, and I see them as inspirations to also do something useful.) Also, the privacy/remailer market is fragmenting (evolving), with pro-privacy (or faux pro-privacy, or anti-privacy) mail receiving/forwarding services, viz c2.org, netbox.com, pobox.com, thebook.com, mailmasher.com, hotmail.com, etc. I see it not as a business but more like a way of organizing what I'm thinking about already in a way that might be interesting to others. -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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Re: considering internet/privacy periodical
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:31 PM 10/27/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >The article somewhat longwindedly gets into the problems these "hot sites" >are having. The lack of loyalty, the lack of _payment_, etc. I would like to report that even though the WSJ site supposedly started charging at Midnight on 20 September, I can still log on using my old free account (and I'm not using the MS browser). Haven't been charged yet. DCF

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