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Re: PGPfone over Appletalk
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Rev. Mark Grant" <mark(a)unicorn.com> > Can someone tell me how to run PGPfone over Appletalk ? The > documentation says that support has been added for this release, and > there's a preferences box to check to use it, but there's no information > I can find in the documentation on how to initiate a call over > Appletalk.. it just says to enter a telephone number to dial. If I > press 'Connect' without entering anything it hangs up the Mac. > > How do I tell it which machine I want to connect to ? I changed the preferences box setting, but then I exited and restarted the program so that it came up in "appletalk" mode. This is probably the step you are missing. I did this on two different machines, and then when I clicked connect it no longer tried to open the modem, instead it put up a dialog box allowing me to click on the machine running the other PGPfone. I did that and it connected OK. There is a nice audio simulation of an old-fashioned telephone bell ringing. Unfortunately my appletalk "network" consists solely of my power mac and an old 68030 mac laptop, the latter apparently being underpowered for PGPfone. The voice quality changed occasionally as the software adaptively tried different coders, and the powermac instance of the program finally printed a message saying that the list of coders had been exhausted. Hal

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Unclear on Bell / Re: The Real Bell Issue / Re: Bell, etc
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > One lesson, or reminder, I take from the Bell matter is this: > > Avoid doing stupid and petty things like using multiple Social Security > numbers, evading taxes, and releasing stink bombs into government (or > other) offices. > > (These are things Bell has pled on, as I recall the transcripts, so > there's little doubt about them. And had he pled not guilty and gone to > trial, apparently the evidence would've convicted him on most of the > charges. Perhaps this is why he pled.) I am unclear on something. Did the government imprison without bail a citizen who evaded taxes and made a government office smell bad, or did the government allow a terrorist who was actively plotting to overthrow the government to plead guilty to inconsequential charges? If I get arrested for plotting to Nuke D.C., should I hire Bell's lawyer and try to get it reduced to jaywalking? Or should I avoid jaywalking to prevent getting arrested for plotting to Nuke D.C.? ???Monger

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Re: O.J. ObCrypto: Fuhrman's Folly Fans Fakery Fears...
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BS> For the problem that started this discussion, though, there's no good solution. BS> Since the Bad Guys _can_ encrypt a message to you with your signature key, BS> and send it to you by anonymous remailer, they can plant a reason to suspect BS> that you may have evidence encrypted with that key. You've got it backwards. The problem that I originally posited was a corrupt key escrow agent using my signature key to forge a document. The fact that my signature pubkey could be used to encrypt messages to me is not particularly relevant. My employer could set up filters to keep me from recieving email on company time that is not encrypted to a key that the corporate escrow authority has in its possession. NBD. My concern here is with the NGACK situation. Companies have valid reasons to want escrow for their own purposes. I'm just warning people not to accept a signature key being escrowed by =anyone=. When you create a key to be escrowed, make sure the userid includes something like [Not Valid For Signatures]. * Pro Choice on Abortion. * No choice on Education. * Huh? --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

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Cyphernomicon, and a section on Escrow and Reputations
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been asked by two people in e-mail what the "Cyphernomicon" I referred to in a recent message is. It's been a while since I mentioned it, so I'll give some details. In late 1993 I foolishly committed to doing a "Cypherpunks FAQ," as several earlier attempts had gone nowhere. And since the most frequently asked question of all is always "Where's the FAQ?," followed closely by "How come there isn't a FAQ?," the need was there. (As it turns out, the people most in need of a FAQ seldom read FAQs, but this is another story.) I finished my first release, a megabyte-sized file done in MORE, a powerful outline processor (which enabled me to maintain notes, make cross-references, and generally manage such a huge writing project). I released it last year, and put it in my anonymous ftp account at ftp.netcom.com, in the directory /pub/tc/tcmay, as the file CP-FAQ. Netcom is often very crowded, though. I know of a couple of alternative places. A very nice job of HTMLizing it was done by Jonathan Rochkind, a Cypherpunk, and is located at the URL http://www.oberlin.edu/~brchkind/cyphernomicon/ Another URL, which is just one large file, is http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/6095/articles/cyphernomicon/CP-FAQ The recent thread about the dangers of anonymity and the role of escrow agents as possible fixes is a good excuse to include one of my sub-sub-subsections, to also illustrate the structure and expected contents. Enjoy it. But, please, don't nag me with suggestions that I should do, or should have done, the thing in HTML, or using your favorite tool set. --Tim May Crypto Anarchy: Escrow Agents and Reputations 16.24.1. Escrow Agents as a way to deal with contract renegging - On-line clearing has the possible danger implicit in all trades that Alice will hand over the money, Bob will verify that it has cleared into hisaccount (in older terms, Bob would await word that his Swiss bank account has just been credited), and then Bob will fail to complete his end of the bargain. If the transaction is truly anonymous, over computer lines, then of course Bob just hangs up his modem and the connection is broken. This situation is as old as time, and has always involved protcols in which trust, repeat business, etc., are factors. Or escrow agents. - Long before the "key escrow" of Clipper, true escrow was planned. Escrow as in escrow agents. Or bonding agents. - Alice and Bob want to conduct a transaction. Neither trusts the other; indeed, they are unknown to each other. In steps "Esther's Escrow Service." She is _also utraceable_, but has established a digitally-signed presence and a good reputation for fairness. Her business is in being an escrow agent, like a bonding agency, not in "burning" either party. (The math of this is interesting: as long as the profits to be gained from any small set of transactions is less than her "reputation capital," it is in her interest to forego the profits from burning and be honest. It is also possible to arrange that Esther cannot profit from burning either Alice or Bob or both of them, e.g., by suitably encrypting the escrowed stuff.) - Alice can put her part of the transaction into escrow with Esther, Bob can do the same, and then Esther can release the items to the parties when conditions are met, when both parties agree, when adjudication of some sort occurs, etc. (There a dozen issues here, of course, about how disputes are settled, about how parties satisfy themselves that Esther has the items she says she has, etc.) 16.24.2. Use of escrow services as a substute for government + as in underworld deals, international deals, etc. - "Machinery of Freedom" (Friedman), "The Enterprise of Law" (Benson) - "It is important to note in any case that the use of third- party escrow as a substitute for Government regulation was a feature of the Northern European semi-anarchies of Iceland and Ireland that have informed modern libertarian thought." [Duncan Frissell, 1994-08-30] 16.24.3. Several people have raised the issue of someone in an anonymous transaction simply taking the money and not performing the service (or the flip side). This is where _intermediaries_ come into the picture, just as in the real worl (bonds, escrow agents, etc.). 16.24.4. Alice and Bob wish to conduct an anonymous transaction; each is unknown to the other (no physical knowledge, no pseudonym reputation knowledge). These "mutually suspicious agents," in 1960s- and 70s-era computer science lingo, must arrange methods to conduct business while not trusting the other. 16.24.5. Various cryptographic protocols have been developed for such things as "bit commitment" (useful in playing poker over the phone, for example). I don't know of progress made at the granularity of anonymous transactions, though. (Though the cryptographic protocol building blocks at lower levels--such as bit commitment and blobs--will presumably be used eventually at higher levels, in markets.) 16.24.6. I believe there is evidence we can shorten the cycle by borrowing noncryptographic protocols (heresy to purists!) and adapting them. Reputations, for example. And escrow agents (a form of reputation, in that the "value" of a bonding entity or escrow agent lies in reputation capital). 16.24.7. if a single escrow agent is suspected of being untrustworthy (in a reputation capital sense), then can use _multiple_ escrows - with various protocols, caveat emptor - n-out-of-m voting schemes, where n escrow agents out of m are required to complete a transaction - hard to compromise them all, especially if they have no idea whether they are being "legitimately bribed" or merely pinged by a reputation-rating service - Hunch: the work of Chaum, Bos, and the Pfaltzmanns on DC- nets may be direcly applicable here...issues of collusion, sets of colluders, detection of collusion, etc. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: David Downey asks to be shot
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Downey wrote: > > Wow, I'm really moving up in the world. Now I've officially been > classified as an enemy of the people. Cool! Where's my award money? Pick it up under the bridge at midnight. Come alone...

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Re: A problem with anonymity
by dsc＠swcp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Having not read the FAQ, I foolishly jump in... Timothy May wrote, >At 2:38 AM 9/3/95, MONTY HARDER wrote: > >> But if the escrow agent is anonymous, we simply recurse, moving now to >>the question of whether anyone can trust the Anonymous Escrow Agency not >>to take the money and run. > >Well, at one level, everything is always recursive. [snip] >And, of course, it is possible to structure things so that the escrow agent >cannot "take the money and run," because the money is not accessible to >them. > >This is analogous to an escrow agent in the real world holding a check from >Alice to Bob until Bob completes some set of conditions. The escrow >agent--call her Essie--cannot cash the check herself. She can of course >renege on the deal, even if Bob does his part of the bargain, but there is >little incentive for her to do so. For example, the money exchanger or bank can allow an exchange option that packages up the new money for some AND/OR list of package openers, certify what it is and then seal it up & send it to the escrow agent. As mentioned by Timothy and Monty this just pushes the question down to whether anyone can trust the bank. Timothy claims evidence that there will be entities such as banks that do not scam customers. I observe that from a few trusted entities a great amount of trust can be created--bubbling up that same recursion. In the above example, the trust of the Anonymous Escrow Agency is increased by the mechanism that does not allow the agency to get at the cash. This uses the trust of the bank, but does not decrease the trust of the bank. Perhaps trust formal transfer mechanisms can evolve so that almost everybody can become almost as trustworthy as the most trustworthy entity in the commerce. Dar (who knows he should have checked the FAQ) =========================================================== Dar Scott Home phone: +1 505 299 9497 Dar Scott Consulting Voice: +1 505 299 5790 <--- 8637 Horacio Place NE Email: darscott(a)aol.com Albuquerque, NM 87111 dsc(a)swcp.com Fax: +1 505 898 6525 http://www.swcp.com/~correspo/DSC/DarScott.html My preference for attached files are in this order: AOL, Mime, Binhex4, PGP, UUencode ===========================================================

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Re: bloodlust or game-theory?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin finally came to his senses and described government thusly: > > It's actually closer to a cult -- a small group with it's own shared > reality -- a reality quite at variance with societal norms. The cult > has its own terminology, and an underlying dogma to which these code > words refer. The cult has "special knowledge" that has been revealed > to them concerning massive changes that will happen to society -- > changes that will usher in a new world order. These changes may > involve the world going through a cleansing fire of war of war and > destruction. D.C. and the Pentagon, right? > Certain of the members sport a messiah or a martyr complex. It is > also quite common for cults to call for arming the brethren against > the coming struggle Yes, like Park Rangers with Uzi's, and Postal Service swat teams. > It's all so predictable. As Tim May constantly reminds us, in regard to the cypherpunk list archives. Glad to see that you're coming around, Kent, and finally recognizing the government for the insider cult it has become. KentMonger

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e$: Cypherpunks Game: Terrorist Geodesic AP ZOG XXX-Teen NetFUD
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WaJo 8-20-97: High Tech 'n' Terrorists: Clancy Signs 24-Book Deal New York - Best-selling author Tom Clancy signed a 24-paperback deal with a division of Penguin Putnam Inc. that is expected to be announced today, according to people close to the deal. Berkley Publishing Group is paying an advance of approximately $22 million according to these people. The series, set in the near future, will include six adult and 18 juvenile novels. Berkley will publish the series, "Tom Clancy's Netforce," over the next four to six years. In the books, the Internet and virtual reality have melded so that people spend most of their time on-line. The technology proves irresistible to terrorists and anticomputer zealots, who are pursued by the Netforce. The agreement comes on the heels of another deal Mr. Clancy recently made with Penguin, a unit of London media company Pearson PLC. Pearson this month announced a long-term agreement with Red Storm Entertainment Inc., a media-entertainment company founded by Mr. Clancy and Virtus Corp., an interactive-applications concern. Under that agreement, Penguin, along with other Pearson subsidiaries, will join Red Storm to market multiplayer on-line games and other multimedia products.

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Re: FCPUNX:The Real Bell Issue / Re: Bell, etc
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:21 AM 8/19/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > > So, I disagree with Duncan's apparent point that it's too bad the Bell case > > didn't go to trial. I'm convinced Bell would have been convicted on most or > > all charges. Hardly a test case for anything important. At 05:56 PM 8/19/97 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: > But the charges were minor stuff. Under the Federal sentencing guidelines he > wouldn't have gotten much if convicted. Federal sentencing guidelines are irrelevant in political cases. For example the survivors of the Waco massacre were found guilty of trivial technicalities, and then sentenced as if they had been found guilty of murdering federal agents. All appeals have been denied. Indeed it appears to be standard practice, that if a political criminal is charged with both trivial crimes of which he (and everyone else) is guilty, and extremely serious crimes, of which he is obviously innocent, he will be convicted on the trivia, and sentenced on the accusations. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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17 Dec '03

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