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Re: Doctor Denning
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:33 PM 1/26/96, Peter Monta wrote: >> I just read the new and improved Dorothy Denning essay at >> >> http://www.cosc.georgetown.edu/crypto/Future.html > >This can be found at > http://www.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/Future.html > >> One should realize, of course, that whether Crypto Anarchy >> prevails depends not upon the varied philosophical leanings of >> citizen-units May and Denning, but rather upon whether our >> mathematics is more powerful than their jackbooted thugs. > >What I found interesting was the lack of meat behind >"Crypto Anarchy is Not Inevitable". It seemed to boil >down to the vacuous "if everyone could just agree that key >escrow is a good thing, there would be no problem". This is the main reason I haven't bothered to rebut her points: there were essentially none to rebut. (There are substantive criticisms of my points that can be made, including discussions of what might be done to delay or even head off crypto anarchy completely. I had dinner a few nights ago with David Friedman, author of "The Machinery of Freedom," and he made some incisive comments about how the State might go about heading off this future. I'm glad he's on our side, and not the government's.) Two other reasons I have not sought to rebut her analysis: First, I doubt many people saw either my original article (available on Bob Hettinga's page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/anarchy.html) or Denning's reaction article. Second, I stated my views, she stated her views, not much more to say. Especially as she has not had an active presence on the Net, either in talk.politics.crypto or in other forums I have seen, and thus a real debate on the Net has not been possible. Mostly I know I can't change her views, so why bother? Other people may have their views affected by what I say, and for these people I have certainly written enough. --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Bernie S. Sentencing
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:02 PM 1/26/96 -36000, Matt Miszewski wrote: >On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Ed Carp, KHIJOL SysAdmin wrote: > >(snip) >> The last thing one of the "suits" said was something like "they know >> about the hole in RSA we found with the quantum computer" - or that's >> what was reportedly said. Something like that. > >The AP line came down that the matchbook contained the algorithm for >easily factoring large primes. As I heard it, their algorithm factored large composite numbers in ((log(n))**(-1)) time, meaning that the larger the composite number got the faster it was to factor. Yep, that's it.

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re: Assassination Politics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Notice that I've added two areas to the list above, nwlibertarians(a)teleport.com and dnowch2(a)teleport.com ; the areas on which "Assassination Politics" is commonly discussed. I've also sent a copy to Cypherpunks(a)toad.com, for its obviously ob crypto (encryption, digital cash, etc) aspects. At 10:09 AM 1/24/96 -0500, Robert Vincent wrote: >So what's to keep the powers-that-be from successfully assassinating the >would-be directors of any such organization Technically, "nothing." Nothing unusual, anyway. Except that if you follow my logic carefully, you will see that I believe that the developments I describe are tantamount to being technologically "inevitable." The mere existence of good encryption, Internet-type worldwide networking, and untraceable digital cash will "automatically" allow/cause such systems to arise. And development of such an organization ANYWHERE, plus the Internet, means that it can operate EVERYWHERE. Further, here is my speculation: Let's assume I have this Internet soapbox, and I manage to convince you and your friends (and their friends, etc) that: 1. My system, if allowed to work, will replace the current political system with one that is far more "attractive," on the average. In other words, it will do approximately what I claim it will: Eliminate all governments, militaries, taxes, yet maintain a reasonable degree of freedom for all citizens, rich and poor, strong and weak, etc. It'll even punish criminals. Real criminals, like murderers, rapists, thieves, etc. Furthermore, that it won't have any _likely_ "horror scenarios" associated with it (such as the ones some people (wrongly) think exist), or at least it will be no worse than the status quo. In fact, it will be a VAST improvement over the status quo. It will produce, I believe, an essentially perfectly libertarian (and _stably_ anarchistic, yet it has protections for rights.) society. and 2. The system is just about technologically inevitable, given the technical developments which already exist and I forsee. and 3. The only thing that's preventing such a system from being adopted is the fact that this system would eliminate the control of the current political system by those few who now control it. Segue to near the end of the 1964 movie, Dr. Strangelove, where the title character (the scientific advisor to the President) is asked by the President whether enormous buried cobalt bombs can be built, and controlled by computer to detonate automatically on nuclear attack. He said, "It requires only the _will_ to do it." Similarly, I would argue that the implementation and rollout of an "Assassination Politics" scenario is almost even today within the technical capability in common usage, lacking only the common acceptance of "digital cash". At some point, "it requires only the _will_ to do it." At that point, I argue that we will have a scenario reminiscent of the day the East German citizens broke down the Berlin Wall. Enough people wanted it done, and nobody was going to stand up and try to stop it. It HAPPENED. It was "illegal" by the standards of East Germany that day, but it HAPPENED. The odd thing, however, is that despite my publicizing the idea of "Assassination Politics" to what by now has probably been thousands of people and (statistically) dozens of lawyers, I haven't heard a serious, defensible argument that the implementation of this system would even be ILLEGAL by black-letter US law. True, any underlying killings might be, and probably would be, murder. But the system as I described it is quite carefully structured to prevent anyone but the self-motivated murderer from doing the murder, knowing that it will occur in the future, or (for that matter) knowing for sure that it actually WAS a murder, or let alone who did it, even after it occurs. While I won't claim I've "thought of everything," I _will_ say that I think I've demonstrated that current law would be vastly inadequate to deal with such a scenario. I suspect that a lawyer familiar with the concept of "Assassination Politics" and who follows proposed legislation in Congress ought to scan for laws designed to preclude the development of such a system. Whether or not this could even be accomplished is in serious question, since it would probably require banning all remnants of freedom in this country. In other words, we are coming to a fork in the road: One choice leads to perfect freedom, the other to absolute tyranny. Well, at least you have been warned. > and squelching any public mention of it? Well, YOU heard about it, didn't you, and I'm not dead. (yet?) True, the system doesn't actually exist and operate, but that's merely a matter of implementation, not of technical capability. Microsoft could write the whole thing into Windows 97 as a "Killer App." (This joke was to somebody else's credit, sigh! Can't recollect who... Maybe Tim May?) (I now believe that the US government's decision to develop the Internet was a case of slow-motion governmental suicide. The trigger was pulled in the 1960's, and the death will occur about 40 years later. "Jim Bell" (myself) will be one of the first to notice the "bullet" flying towards its mark. For making that observation, I will be severely criticized, and probably even BLAMED.) In a sense, it is arguable that I am worthy of neither the credit nor the blame. >Don't forget that the real controllers have the press and >the media in their pocket, not just your Congressman! I predict that if >anybody actually does set up an organization to reward "predictors", that >person or person will be quickly and quietly put out of business, whether >by legal means or otherwise. Follow the technological development of "nyms" on Cypherpunks. It is possible that this system could be set up, totally anonymously, and perhaps even in a totally decentralized way, so that (for example) 1000 anonymous individuals (anonymous even from each other) run it according to agreed-upon rules. >Which is too bad. It's a beautiful idea, otherwise. Hey! Glad you think so! One guy called it "atrocious." Some people would have you believe that I'm a raving lunatic. (Well, technically I can't prove to you I'm NOT a "raving lunatic," but at least to you, believing in this system isn't evidence to the contrary.) Another guy said that if this system were ever implemented, I would have become "the Antichrist." Even though I'm an atheist myself, I know enough about religion in general, and Christianity in particular, to realize that statement wasn't intended as a complement. Jim Bell Klaatu Burada Nikto. Remember this. It'll become important...soon. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMQbBYPqHVDBboB2dAQHBIgQAlK69QFvjS4QaG+RVYHPZ13FqhqxHezqS hpQqXQDunqRmfP4nYLaYcy2xOowHEEl+4w+H/6SP70vs+gMgi9ouW0kEGbHQSljF OvOYRSq+xg1MRvDN6ZLCGYBODs7K0iM5bv6X8c7zzja1RH3WGEIYfp+ZzQXT7LV7 6PKHVslWKFk= =guZo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Nym use in the real world
by peer＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > With the coming Internet restrictions and growing use of the > net by LEAs, it's become obvious to me that I shouldn't post > messages with my real name. My reasons for experimenting with nymdom are somewhat different. I have no intentions of using my nym for anything that I would not do using my True Name. I see it more as a tool for segmenting the knowledge the outside world has about me. With the expansion of information ubiquity and easy access to powerful search tools, nyms become a welcome tool to foil the dossier builders. > 1. reputation. My nym will need to build it's own reputation, I > know. But I currently get offers of work based on my reputation > and posts. I would like this to continue. When it comes time to > do the work and collect the pay, I need to tie my nym to me. While certainly useful, nyms have very definite practical limits. I see them as more useful and flexible once one discards the monolithic nym concept (ie my name is xxx and my nym is Peer). When one uses multiple nyms for multiple purposes, discarding the secrecy of one is less troublesome. This also allows the cultivation of positive reputation in diverse reputation markets. Of course, doing this to any great extent may be more trouble than it's worth. > 2. does it (a nym) really help? Police and governments are used to > dealing with people who change their names, use fake names, etc. I > get the impression that having multiple/fake names is considered by > police to be evidence or at least indication of guilt. "If you're > not guilty why're you hiding?". While there is certainly a stigmata associated with nymdom (even occasionally on Cypherpunks, of all places), I don't think it will provide any additional liability (assuming nyms themselves don't become illegal). If your nym is investigated and compromised, then your True Name has already been linked to your actions - they know you're guilty. And while using a nym may attract unwanted attention due to its nature, can it be worse than using your True Name? Perhaps. I keep forgetting about selective enforcement... Peer Aside: How many people here actually check signatures? For those who don't, does seeing a signed message inspire any additional confidence? For those who do, does seeing an incorrectly signed message inspire any less confidence? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMQlwCKUvpX8WyJyxAQGUuAP/UZXCUbD9iJdmjOb9QGoZ8lD3j22bbeU0 04ucZ81EBMLB0rrOoaCihW7ywvm54/o5uJIw5QN68bkj5ZlM5MqCHn9j7Cowvyb6 VHY+5dhULDpT6GF5CRcxbYmdyYpbl0nHzO8PeaG0oX46+YJTEhDpXoywBxDcjHnP +YLtJ+7xUx4= =uesQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Denning's Crypto Archy [LONG]
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Future of Cryptography Dorothy E. Denning Georgetown University Revised January 6, 1996 [Responses by Duncan Frissell in square brackets] Although May limply asserts that anarchy does not mean lawlessness and social disorder, the absence of government would lead to exactly these states of chaos. [Tim is rarely given to limp assertions. I haven't seen him spend much time arguing about the exact social arrangements of a free society following the crypto revolution. He has merely pointed out the results of the technology.] I do not want to live in an anarchistic society -- if such could be called a society at all -- and I doubt many would. [Whatever happens, there will always be plenty of cults around (perhaps even one called the Government of the United States of America) to which anyone will be free to belong and at the altars of which one will be free to worship. In fact the deregulation of human interaction will make it easier for more oppressive cults to exist than is possible today as long as they keep to themselves. There will be no shortage of people willing to tell their followers what to do. Nothing will stop anyone from joining such a society.] A growing number of people are attracted to the market liberalism envisioned by Jefferson, Hayek, and many others, but not to anarchy. Thus, the crypto anarchists' claims come close to asserting that the technology will take us to an outcome that most of us would not choose. [Still up for negotiation is how liberal a market we will want. The growing power of markets and (traditional) liberal ideas is the result of the growing wealth and power of individuals around the world. Crypto anarchists merely point out that the shape of future market societies is no longer in the hands of "The Authorities" but is rather in the hands of those trading on the market; i.e., everyone on Earth."] This is the claim that I want to address here. I do not accept crypto anarchy as the inevitable outcome. A new paradigm of cryptography, key escrow, is emerging and gaining acceptance in industry. [That is what remains to be seen.] The drawbacks of cryptography are frequently overlooked as well. The widespread availability of unbreakable encryption coupled with anonymous services could lead to a situation where practically all communications are immune from lawful interception (wiretaps) [My thoughts are immune from 'lawful interception' as are everyone else's and yet the world survives. Thought is communication within the brain. Communication is 'thought' between brains. The world which has survived private thoughts can survive private communications. The whole concept of controlling communications is a bit obsolete in any case. In past eras, the only social threat came from large masses of men (hence the desire to intercept and control communications) whereas today any individual can do more damage than a large group in the past.] and documents from lawful search and seizure, and where all electronic transactions are beyond the reach of any government regulation or oversight. The consequences of this to public safety and social and economic stability could be devastating. [See the recent joint study by the Cato Institute, the Fraser Institute, and 9 other think tanks world wide showing that there is a strong positive correlation between nations with free economies and nations with wealth. There seems little doubt that total economic deregulation is a good thing. We shall certainly have the chance to test that hypothesis in coming years. I haven't seen any nation harmed so far by having too free an economy.] With the government essentially locked out, computers and telecommunications systems would become safe havens for criminal activity. Even May himself acknowledges that crypto anarchy provides a means for tax evasion, money laundering, espionage (with digital dead drops), [That is, keeping your own money, transferring funds, and research. Sounds like activities that should not be the concern of others.] contract killings, [These may be easier although *government* killings will be harder since governments may lack the resources to do as much of that sort of thing as they have done before. (From 1917-1989, Communist governments murdered someone every 30 seconds -- a total of some 60 million people.) In addition, those who fear they may be the subject of contract killings can use pseudonyms, locational ambiguity, and untraceable communications to make themselves harder to find and thus to kill.] and implementation of data havens for storing and marketing illegal or controversial material. [Last time I looked, controversial material was legal to possess and transmit. Illegal information will no longer be illegal if its transmission can't be stopped since utterly unenforceable laws tend to go away (see Sodomy).] Encryption also threatens national security by interfering with foreign intelligence operations. The United States, along with many other countries, imposes export controls on encryption technology to lessen this threat. [Of course if the US is weakened by the growth of (really) free markets, its enemies will be as well so foreign threats will automatically diminish.] Cryptography poses a threat to organizations and individuals too. With encryption, an employee of a company can sell proprietary electronic information to a competitor without the need to photocopy and handle physical documents. [This is a threat from digitization, not from encryption.] The keys that unlock a corporation's files may be lost, corrupted, or held hostage for ransom, thus rendering valuable information inaccessible. [Or the computers can not be backed up, can crash, can be blown up, can be flooded, can experience disk failures, etc. This is not a problem unique to encryption. Backups and scattered sites are always necessary. High-speed networks, secure communications, and encryption make it easier to back up your systems at different locations all over the world. They help you avoid data loss, they don't contribute to it. Key splitting and private key escrow can easily protect keys.] When considering the threats posed by cryptography, it is important to recognize that only the use of encryption for confidentiality, including anonymity, presents a problem. [Of course confidentiality is the reason codes were invented in the first place. Additionally, the Supreme court has recognized that anonymity has First Amendment protection. We have already made the social decision that anonymity is OK in many circumstances. I'm sure that all of us engage in many anonymous transactions on a daily basis and yet the world survives.] Crypto anarchy can be viewed as the proliferation of cryptography that provides the benefits of confidentiality protection but does nothing about its harms. It is government-proof encryption which denies access to the government even under a court order or other legal order. [In countries that don't regularly practice torture, we have the power to disobey court orders in any case. Modern technology merely makes it easier and reduces the likelihood of punishment. Court orders are rare in any case. Seems like much ado about nothing.] It has no safeguards to protect users and their organizations from accidents and abuse. [This is the job of those who write software, not philosophers.] The crypto anarchist position is that cyberspace is on a non-stop drift toward crypto anarchy. [I usually argue that the spread of markets is driven more by cheap telecoms and the growth of a very efficient market infrastructure. Cryptography hasn't had much of an impact yet. I think that even without crypto, markets will swamp attempts to regulate them and since people can move as well, they are becoming harder to control even before any crypto revolution.] In addition to the free encryption programs being distributed on the net, encryption is becoming a basic service integrated into commercial applications packages and network products. The IP Security Working Group of the Internet Engineering Task Force has written a document that calls for all compliant IPv6 (Internet Protocol, version 6) implementations to incorporate DES cryptography. [The net belongs to its customers and as owners they will probably decide to secure their property. Sounds enormously democratic to me.] The potential harms of cryptography have already begun to appear. As the result of interviews I conducted in May, 1995, I found numerous cases where investigative agencies had encountered encrypted communications and computer files. These cases involved child pornography, [Possession of a bunch of zeros and ones.] customs violations [free trade] drugs [the retail pharmaceutical trade] espionage [research] embezzlement [finally a crime] murder [Another crime. Can you give us the details of a murder investigation blocked by cryptography? We don't need any names.] obstruction of justice [Refusal to make things easy for prosecutors. A *real* crime. This wasn't Hillary by any chance, was it?] tax protesters [You mean tax evaders, don't you? Far as I know, protesting taxes is a legal activity.] and terrorism. [State-sponsored or private?] At the International Cryptography Institute held in Washington in September, 1995, FBI Director Louis Freeh reported that encryption had been encountered in a terrorism investigation in the Philippines involving an alleged plot to assassinate Pope John Paul II and bomb a U.S. airliner [4]. [But the perp was caught anyway. Is this the same Louis Freeh who thinks that the loss (by him) of a government cellphone is just as bad as the FBI issuing shoot-to-kill orders against American citizens before even trying to arrest them (since he punished both with a letter of reprimand)?] AccessData Corp., a company in Orem, Utah which specializes in providing software and services to help law enforcement agencies and companies recover data that has been locked out through encryption, reports receiving about a dozen and a half calls a day from companies with inaccessible data. [Sounds like poor system design. I'm not sure that advising others how to safely store their business records has anything to do with law enforcement, however.] The idea is to combine strong encryption with an emergency decryption capability. This is accomplished by linking encrypted data to a data recovery key which facilitates decryption. This key need not be (and typically is not) the one used for normal decryption, but it must provide access to that key. The data recovery key is held by a trusted fiduciary, which could conceivably be a governmental agency, court, or trusted and bonded private organization. A key might be split among several such agencies. [Why would a government agency or a court be the best entity to provide business services? If I'm looking for someone to install a LAN in my office, I don't immediately think to call the Post Office and get them to bid on the job. Business services like data backup and recovery are much more likely to be efficiently accomplished by a private contractor.] Organizations registered with an escrow agent can acquire their own keys for emergency decryption. An investigative or intelligence agency seeking access to communications or stored files makes application through appropriate procedures (which normally includes getting a court order) and, upon compliance, is issued the key. [But what if it turns out that my chosen escrow agent is located outside the jurisdiction of the court. Surely you don't want to cause any NAFTA or GATT problems here. The WTO might declare your encryption policy to be an unfair trade practice.] Legitimate privacy interests are protected through access procedures, auditing, and other safeguards. [But what if some of us want better protection than bureaucratic promises and procedures. Some people in the past who relied on government promises and procedures ended up in crowded "shower" rooms trying to extract oxygen from diesel exhaust.]. In April, 1993, as response to a rising need for and use of encryption products, the Clinton Administration announced a new initiative to promote encryption in a way that would not prohibit lawful decryption when investigative agencies are authorized to intercept communications or search computer files [6]. [And a rousing success it was.] The IBAG principles acknowledge the right of businesses and individuals to protect their information and the right of law-abiding governments to intercept and lawfully seize information when there is no practical alternative. [Is a communist dictatorship a "law abiding government?"] The principles call for industry to develop open voluntary, consensus, international standards and for governments, businesses, and individuals to work together to define the requirements for those standards. The standards would allow choices about algorithm, mode of operation, key length, and implementation in hardware or software. Products conforming to the standards would not be subject to restrictions on import or use and would be generally exportable. [Gee, I thought that was what we were doing.] It is conceivable that domestic and international efforts will be sufficient to avoid crypto anarchy, particularly with support from the international business community. However, it is possible that they will not be enough. Many companies are developing products with strong encryption that do not accommodate government access, standards groups are adopting non-key escrow standards, and software encryption packages such as PGP are rapidly proliferating on the Internet, which is due, in part, to the crypto anarchists whose goal is to lock out the government. Since key escrow adds to the development and operation costs of encryption products, the price advantage of unescrowed encryption products could also be a factor which might undermine the success of a completely voluntary approach. [Sounds like the voluntary cooperation of human beings in international markets is just humming right along isn't it? It seems that a lot of market participants are "voting with their feet" for strong crypto. The System is the Solution.] Under this licensing program, commercial encryption products, including programs distributed through public network servers, would comply with government regulations. [Isn't a "public network server" just a server that is made world readable? Since there will be (conservatively) 100 million "public network servers" online in a few years, won't enforcement be a trifle difficult?] Such an approach would not prevent the use of government-proof encryption products by criminals and terrorists. They could develop their own or acquire the products illegally. But an approach of this type would make it considerably more difficult than it is at present. Had such controls been adopted several years ago -- before programs such as DES and PGP were posted on the Internet -- the encryption products on the market today would support key escrow or some other method for government access. [As I recall, wasn't public key encryption developed in spite of the fact that the NSA had in place an unofficial ban on cryptographic research? The NSA's ban failed. Since you are not proposing outlawing such research, what makes you think that mere distribution controls will work? ] It would not be possible to acquire strong, government-proof encryption from reputable vendors or network file servers. The encryption products available through underground servers and the black market would most likely not possess as high a quality as products developed through the legitimate market. [The Internet itself runs primarily on software developed on the open market from non-commercial sources without slick packaging. It seems to have met with some market acceptance in spite of the lack of shrink-wrap packaging.] Crypto anarchy is an international threat which has been stimulated by international communications systems including telephones and the Internet. Addressing this threat requires an international approach that provides for both secure international communications crossing national boundaries and electronic surveillance by governments of criminal and terrorist activity taking place within their jurisdictions. [It's nice to be noticed. How, exactly, is this voluntary, international, standards regime going to deal with the desire of different governments to control different communications. Look at the problems, some governments want to ban American movies, the Asian Wall Street Journal, books on the health of former heads of state, public records of sensational murder trials, phone calls made using callback services, financial wire services, novels by leftist co-religionists living in England, email containing the English word for sexual intercourse (if readable by children), directions on where to obtain an abortion in London, etc. And all these governments will want to crack private transmissions in order to find those responsible for these "crimes." This is going to be a hell of a challenge for a voluntary, international standards regime. I think it is probably beyond the capabilities of such an institution to mediate among all of these competing desires to control the communications of others.] DCF "BTW if one spellchecks the word unescrowed (as in unescrowed encryption) one is likely to encounter the suggested replacement "unscrewed" (as in unscrewed encryption).

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DCSB: Joseph Reagle; Meta-data and Negotiation in Digital Commerce
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:02:37 -0500 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, dcsb-announce(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: DCSB: Joseph Reagle; Meta-data and Negotiation in Digital Commerce Cc: "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." <reagle(a)w3.org>, Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org>, Jeremey Barrett <jeremey(a)bluemoney.com> Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Joseph Reagle Jr. World Wide Web Consortium "Social Protocols": Meta-data and Negotiation in Digital Commerce Tuesday, March 3, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA On the foundations of basic network, meta-data, and negotiation protocols, a "new" set of protocols, "social protocols," are being built. They are in fact applications of meta-data and negotiation in order to mimic the social capabilities people have in the real world: capabilities to create rich content, make verifiable assertions, create agreements, and to develop and manage trust relationships. Furthermore, governments realize that a significant portion of their constituencies and markets are moving on-line. Consequently, as the sophistication of one's interactions on the Web increase through the development of social protocols, so does the regulators' interest in extending their "real world" mandates on commerce and culture to the Web. Mr. Reagle will detail the development of "social protocols" and their ability to create and maintain spontaneous, emergent, social structures versus their ability to propagate "real world" norms on the Web. Joseph Reagle Jr. joined the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) at MIT in October of 1996 to focus on policy issues related to the development of global technologies and their relationship to social and legal structures. Specifically, how to promote "good" engineering when applied to a multifaceted and often contentious policy environment; one result of this activity is the W3C Statement on Policy. Mr. Reagle received a Computer Science degree from University of Maryland Baltimore County (UMBC) and continued on to the S.M. Technology and Policy program at the Massachusettes Institute of Technology (MIT). While at MIT he worked with the Research Program on Communication Policy on IPR, eCommerce, security, and cryptographic policy. During the summer of '95, he worked at Open Market on electronic commerce protocols. Before joining the W3C at the Laboratory for Computer Science (MIT), Mr. Reagle consulted on Internet and interactive media for McCann-Erickson, and Internet gambling for go-Digital. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, March 3, 1997, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We will attempt to record this meeting for sale on CD/R, and to put it on the web in RealAudio format, at some future date. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, February 28th, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail address, so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: April Adam Shostack Digital Commerce Security: Beyond Firewalls May Jeremey Barrett Digital Bearer Certificate Protocols We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>. For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 iQEVAwUBNOW/58UCGwxmWcHhAQG+Mgf/RRBnjaC5ir0QKuD8+tgNhhvdoi2ajZRk KgaBzsd0PDRx/3W2UJTuIR/pzMQBRKp0pstRVkTO74edyIHEWwbUcIvxCmQaCx69 NC2sDRiNDBDyGdfLHq4k7EoEE+I2KYl+bcXLJuIPHdBKpNbDZ9IPrs5z2S0gyc1I FPZkj+EjO8oNXXA9H9nqzjhF5aHvLv5XZrxvb08iLAMl6iepBQz7qdh619CPm7tu 2A8VD9G+46kGXN4SnjOjRUXgKnoQGMTs1TBdMWuse6qmipSMLxXVQXCvAOoD8VSc g3lI3EQB7mjX+P2nVchVYVUBfpxgYJsvtw5zqBBd3f1tpeLCeI29Sg== =Fzwi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/> For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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E-mail List Goldmine
by 15864623＠splittmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Space Alien CypherPunks / Uncorrupted / From Russia, With Love
by Jay A. Tolkoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

____________________________________ SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS !!!???!!! ____________________________________ by The Author Copyright 2000, The Lost Planet Airmen PROLOGUE: -------- I was very young as a dark and stormy Knight... [Author's Note: This part of the prologue is numbered 1-of-0 because there is, in reality, no telling how long, wide and far I may or may not ramble in telling a tale which lies deep inside of me and cries out to be told, despite the rapid degeneration of what little is left of my nervous system, my brain function, and my sanity in general. As well, after a lifetime of using an overwhelming excess of commas in my sagacious scribblings and blitheful blatherings, I am well aware that commas do not grow on trees (except for cherry trees, and they are upside down--thus of no use to a scribe such as myself) and that this account of tales untold since the beginning of time (1949, in my universe) may well end in mid-sentence when I have used the last of the commas that I have purloined, stolen and hoarded, over the years, is removed from my secret hiding place and placed on the written page. Hopefully, before this has come to pass, I will have managed to reveal all of the myriad of universal secrets which have remained hidden in plain sight of us all (particularly George Carlin), since the founding of the universe, and the final comma that marks the end of my wisdom will mark the beginning of a new universal ignorance, in which all shall finally know that there *is*no* knowledge*, and that "The ClueServer died for our sins".] The Death of gomez and the Birth of Magical Thinking: I am the Prophet... It's not something I'm proud of, and I in no way planned for things to turn out this way, but the role of Unerring Prophet of the Future of All Mankind was forced on me by circumstances beyond my control. Originally, I was just trying to be a brain-warped, cynical asshole--doing my best to stir up shit, cause trouble, spreadFear/Uncertainty/Disinformation to the best of my ability, and maintain a conscientiously applied plan of good oral hygene. ("Thank you. I'm feeling much better, now.) I've been crazy all of my life, having suffered serious brain injury as a child, and compounding this natural disaster by a willful ingestion of a variety of legal and illegal substances designed to enrich pharmacists and people with dark skin tones who spend much of their time on dimly-lit street corners. There are those who read my apparently mad ramblings and assume that I am some kind of creative writing genius heavily influenced by Hunter S. Thompson, Carlos Castenada, Stephen King and William Burrogh's Jr. They are wrong. As gomez himself said, before being removed as the eternal symbol of the true Digerati, the Circle of Eunuchs, "We don't make it up, we just make it better." Thus, when I describe the series of ElectroShock treatments that I underwent under the care of Dr. Abram Hoffer (the Father of Megavitamin Therapy), and describe them as taking place at the exact same moment as the massive power blackouts throughout the NorthEastern United States and Canada, the details I provide may not be accurate within the time-space continuum, but they will be totally consistent with the Ultimate and Eternal Truth as evidenced by the True Measure of Reality--the electrical bill from SaskPower Corporation that was presented to Central Hospital in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, which ultimately resulted in the restructuring of the Saskatchewan MediCare system, and the loss of many lives that could have otherwise been saved if the medical profession had not deemed it necessary to store within my brain enough electricity to create a thousand FrankenSteins, or power the bright lights of Las Vegas for a hundred years, in the case of an emergency. Hyperbole? Guess again, shit-for-brains... Anyone who has read "The News of the Weird" by Chuck Shephard can vouch for the fact that the crap that backs up in my demented brain cells, until it spills out like a toxic efflusive onto the written page, could not carry the jock-strap of the events which happen every day, in real life, far removed from the short- circuting electrical malfunctions spewing forth from my damaged brain synapses. I am the Prophet... I am a certified lunatic bouncing wildly back and forth between reality and rational thought <--> magical thinking fueled by messages from Mars which I receive hourly via the silver fillings in my decaying dentures <--> logical assumptions based on the patterns formed by rat-droppings I use to encrypt my writings with the same algorithms used as the basis for C2Net's Stonghold encryption software. In all honesty, I have to admit that I was lying when I presented myself to WebWorld at large as the TruthMonger. But, "The best laid plans of rats and men..." My poor self-image, my low self-esteem, and the knowledge that I had come by them honestly, drove me to a state where I was determined to live out my life as a lying, thieving, conniving, rat-bastard-piece-of-shit who would crap on and distort the truth about everything that normal, decent people hold sacred in their lives. So I used my computer skills, my limitless supply of amphetamines, and my powers of obsessive-compulsive, psychotic fixation to rail madly against the surrounding hordes of men and women of reason who strove to suffocate the madness that I was destined from birth to manifest on the long and twisted road which would ultimately lead to my emergence as the Anti-Christ who would raze the complete face of the earth with violent spasms of death and destruction the likes of which the universe has never seen. "It's life's illusions I recall...I really don't know life, at all." ~Joni Mitchell "All my lies are true...and everything I do, I really am." ~Carroll "Some say he's good...some say he's great...some just say, 'It's a *shame* about that boy.'" ~Sonny King, introducing C.J.Parker, the King of Country Porno, at Club Foot in Austin, Texas, at a benefit for Xalapeno Charlie. In the end, I reached spiritual enlightenment through the realization that Satan, the Evil One, the Anti-Christ, Bill Gates, Louis Freeh, Janet Reno, can never hope to even remotely approach the depths of depravity, outrageous licentiousness and lunacy, or sick and twisted dementia exhibited daily by the average Jane and Joe smiling at us from the other side of the bank manager's desk, or the check-out counter at the local K-Mart. No matter how depraved the sick, demented spewings from my evil mind became, attempting to poison the minds of all who came into contact with my evil, satanic blatherings, masquerading as a true mirror of the reality that surrounds us--in the end, I was, am, and will continue to be...TruthMonger. I am the Prophet... If my sick, twisted mind concocts some bizarre, depraved fantasy about Lisa Bonet Ramsey's rotting carcass rising from a roadside ditch to plug parking meters and being flown by the Cincinnati Police Department to New York City to carry out Judge Ito's sentence of having a toilet plunger shoved up her ass, then one of two things will happen. Either CNN will break the story, exactly as I have described it, minutes before my missive shows up on the InterNet, or I will receive the lastest email version of "News of the Weird," which will report real news stories from the mainstream media which make my fantasy's look like shallow attempts by Miss Manners to increase her readership. Death of a Legend / The Truth About the CypherPunks: The CypherPunks have long been renowned as standing at the bleeding edge of the burdgeoning computer technology which is rapidly changing the face of our planet and the governmental, civil, and social societies encompassed within this celestial orb. Harbingers of the Digital Future / Pioneers of Future Technology / etc., etc. Bullshit... The CypherPunks are rag-tag band of infantile, pseudo-anarchistic, pseudo- cryptic, well-educated shit-disturbers who take great pleasure in pissing on themselves, each other, and the world around them--all the while, covering their motivations and ambitions with high-sounding ideals intended to disguise the fact that none of them ever received proper toilet-training. The end result? No matter how high they pile it, how far they spread it, or how badly it smells when you step in it, they end up coming off as the Henry Kissinger's of CyberSpace, because no matter how much rotten meat, jalapenos and moldy cheese they eat, they can never manage to crap out anything so vile and foul- smelling that the world-at-large cannot prove prophetic in MeatSpace. Question for Blanc Weber (CypherPunks version of the Sweetheart of the Rodeo): Yes, Blanc, I am the one who was hiding in the bushes near the gravesites when you were laying the wreaths in honor of Mother Teresa and the children who were the 'victims' of the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing. Yes, that was me who was whistling the eerie medely of "Psycho Killer" and "Street Fighting Man" while you were busy trying to honor the souls of the 'innocents' who died for the sin of being born. Realizing that we are polar-opposites, I am willing to concede that perhaps Eternal Truth, True Justice and A Noble Ideal To Be Named Later might best be served if you and I met in the middle and acted in concert to do what must inevitably be done to balance the distorted energy of the Tao which is currently tearing our planet, our socities and our individuals to pieces. I am ready now...when will you be ready? I am ready to walk into Luby's cafeteria today, and start blowing away people I know and total strangers, for no real fucking reason, just to stop the voices inside my head which scream such things as "Wake Up America"/"What the Fuck are We all Doing to One Another"/"When will the Madness STOP!!!" When will you be ready? I am ready to kidnap men, women and children who are federal employees, or related to them, or who sent them Christmas cards, or who failed to punch their fucking lights out when they fucked over those they are supposed to 'serve' because of some obscure legal technicality passed by drunken, syphlittic politicians in a previous century. I am ready to transport them to the site of the OKC bombing in numbers amounting to hundreds of times of McVeigh's victims, bombing their innocent souls into oblivion, in the hope that someone, somewhere, will look into the eyes of the psychotic, deranged madman that I have become, and see themself, and their neighbors, desperately trying to maintain the illusion that their hands are free of blood when foreign children die as a result of embargos placed within the imaginary political lines which define our MeatSpace Reality--embargos placed by those that they themselves voted for in return for the promise that *their* children, on the 'good' side of the imaginary line, would be provided with good nutrition and a sound future, unless, of course, they live in one of the poorer states, or America needs a larger military budget to defend the most powerful military nation in the world from some flea on the ass of an Iranian camel. Blanc, when will *you* be ready? I am ready, today, to gun down a woman carrying a baby, killing them both, and justifying my actions by claiming I thought she was a Somalian warlord--I am ready to drive a tank to MicroSoft Corporate Headquarters and raze it to the ground, killing men, women and children in a violent cataclysm of smoke and flames, justifying it with claims that MicroSoft cult members are all gun-hoarding child-molesters who think Bill Gates is Jesus. When will you be ready...? The optomist says that the human soul is half full. The pessimist says that the human soul is half empty. The realist says, "Kill 'em all, and let God sort them out." Tim May says, "Broken eggs, and all that." I say, "The Revolution is NOW!" What do *you* say? Shall we set a date, sweetheart? [TBC]

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re: Hlep
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A cloud of linear purity began to move over the sand-monster, billowing with precipitory anticipation. Small blood puzzles aligned themselves like melanomas, forming patterns of infinite finality. The puzzle-monsters coalesced as lasers, carving lesions from flesh and riddling the brittle skin with xray cracks. Soon it would be as it before, finally. - A'Tak A'Tdorn

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