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Re: In Search of Genuine DigiCash
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by mpd(a)netcom.com (Mike Duvos) on Tue, 16 Aug 9:21 AM >Ordinary counterfeiting is analog. Close inspection >will always reveal differences which can be used to >distinguish fake money. However, NY Times Monday reported in long front-page article on spread of digitized forged checks, including dupe of magnetic ID. Quotes: "The proliferation of desktop publishing has brought a new growth industry, the counterfeiting of virtually undetectable fraudulent checks, and banks and law enforcement officials say the cost to the economy could reach $1 billion this year. * * * The American Banking Association says [this] is the No. 1 crime problem facing banks. * * * It is much easier counterfeiting checks than cash." End quotes. Says center of activity is California but has spread to all parts of the US. ------------------------------- My standard pitiful offer to send this article upon email request. John

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# or real Tim Mays....
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, I checked the Austin, TX phone book and found only 1 Tim(mothy) May. Considering that Austin is in the 350,000 range one might extrapolate the odds from there. In the Travis County area (where Austin is located) there is estimated to be 1 million cbu's ... Take it for what it is worth. Ravage (Info)Highway To Hell

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new remailer remail@leri.edu
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A new remailer is running on remail(a)leri.edu. The key is: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAi5PKIUAAAEEALGSqJdXCiE2p0xq3V5pyVFx2q5m8TLas6PDNex8nKGc7Z15 GAD1KFGbIBz77BTDLY7fZkxOf0CWjlO8sQw4ofZeJosx4gfOPWsQL3Cf2PkEY2fV hO1rprZbLt2x3xsQPttEr5UsRw5tQJbQJnc1XBUQx3Wx++0EdPZ88ybouprJAAUR tCN0aGUgTEVSSSBSZW1haWxlciA8cmVtYWlsQGxlcmkuZWR1Pg== =UWc7 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- This is a "small" remailer--installed with my 1st generation installation script. (I think I sent the key to the servers..) -- sameer Voice: 510-841-2014 Network Administrator Pager: 510-321-1014 Community ConneXion: The NEXUS-Berkeley Dialin: 510-549-1383 http://www.c2.org (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.org

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Re: In Search of Genuine DigiCash
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "The proliferation of desktop publishing has brought a > new growth industry, the counterfeiting of virtually > undetectable fraudulent checks, and banks and law > enforcement officials say the cost to the economy could > reach $1 billion this year. > > * * * > > The American Banking Association says [this] is the No. 1 > crime problem facing banks. > This bring to mind the following question: Is there anything inherent in NON-anonymous digital cash schemes that make them more vulnerable to fraud, bribery or inside jobs? (I assume the schemes account for double spending and "counterfeiting" (however that applies to digicash).) Can a case be made that anonymous digicash is less risky (to a bank) than NON-anonymous digicash? Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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Too Much Marketing Hype, Too Many Cutesy Names
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I want to expand on my point about "cutesy" names. Believe me, I am not just picking on Bob Hettinga when I call "e$" a cutesy (and even execrable) name. But marketing hype is the bane of our age. People start picking company names long before they have anything to sell. Cleverness in naming is paramount. This is all fed by the thousands of mazazines, with most writers thinking that every section of an article has to to be tagged with a pun or clever phrasing. Thus we are barrraged with crap like "Toll booths on the Information Highway," Examples: * Digital Superhighway. Infobahn. I Way, etc. More coming every day. Every two-bit journalist wants to express his cleverness. Lots of bad puns, lots of stupid alliteration. * DigiCash, NetCash, EBux ("E bucks"..get it?), DigiFranques, E Bills (rhymes with "T Bills"), e$, Digidollars, etc. (About a year or so ago, someone was pushing hard to get "DigiMarks" accepted, with the abbreviation "DM." The name collision with Deutschmarks (DM) was apparently intentional. Clever, in a sophomoric way, but not useful. Similarly, "e$," with its U.S-centric resonances, is cute, but not very useful. And actually _misleading_, as it suggests a system tied to the U.S. dollar, when I presume no such linkage is intended.) Good and descriptive names are needed. In fact, the crypto community is probably lacking good names in some areas. "Digital cash" has a different flavor from "electronic money," which in turn has a different sense than a less flash description like "Chaum-style digital money." A lot of the confusion about NetCash not being "real" digital money, as one example, is over this naming confusion. So, good names are needed. Names that clearly evoke the underlying concepts, without misleading hype. But the "premature productization" that comes from naming things that don't yet exist with Madison Avenue-inspired names is where I think the problem lies. This is paralleled by the proliferation of company names...every consultant seems to have his own cutesy name. Don't get me wrong: names are important, and names don't have to be boring and banal. The issue is really about confusing the _naming_ of something with the _actual creation_ of items of value. I don't believe naming = creation, and creation is what interests me. (Yes, the term "crypto anarchy" was my naming, back in 1988. I thought it descriptive of the set of ideas, especially the political ideas. Perhaps I'm guilty, too, of too much hype. In any case, I've avoided such colonizations of name space in recent years.) --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: # of Real Tim Mays, RTM (r)
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>While I'm not participating in the "How many..." scavenger hunt, I do >want to make a correction to Ben Goren's comment: > >> It's probably not all that surprising that we have a plethora of >> Diogeneseseses, considering the role "he" played in _Ender's Game._ >> Pr0duct C1pher (sp?), on the other hand, probably won't ever have a 'nym >> conflict. > >I think the two kids were nymed "Locke" and "Demosthenes." My copy of >of "Ender's Game" is bured somewhere, so I can't check. But I don't >think Diogenes was one of them. > Er, um, wasn't Diogenes the fellow that went around with a lamp, looking for an honest man, according to Greek legend? Dave "ever helpful - sorta" Merriman /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP2.6ui/RIPEM public keys and fingerprints. Unencrypted email may be ignored without notice to sender; PGP preferred. fission CIA C4 CV38 RPG plutonium President AK47 assassinate cocaine China

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cfs & remailers
by allan＠elvis.tamu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone considered using a CFS directory (or directories) for a remailer's files, spool, etc? Any thoughts about such security measures? -- Allan Bailey, allan(a)elvis.tamu.edu | "Freedom is not free." Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations | allan.bailey(a)tamu.edu Esperanto: MondLingvo, lingvo internacia.

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Cylink v. RSA Suit: What's it mean to us?
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally got around to reading the text of the counrt papers filed. >From this came two things: A) The realization that lawyers get paid so much because only they are politicians are able to bullshit that much :-) B) Utter confusion about what exactly is going on here. -------------------------- Uh . . . What exactly does this mean? As near as I can gather, Cylink says that RSA has engaged in various forms of unfair business practice, but beyond that, I am not sure what issues are at stake, who the "good guys" and who the "bad guys" are, and where this will end up. Is anyone willing to kind of summarize what exactly this is about and how the outcome effect the cypherpunk community? And, to quote a great movie, explain it to me like I was a six year old :-) Thanks. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)vorlon.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or anyone else, dammit -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 2.1) GJ/CM d- H-- s-:++>s-:+ g+ p? au+ a- w++ v* C++(++++) UL++++$ P+>++ L++$ 3- E---- N+++ K+++ W M+ V-- -po+(---)>$ Y++ t+ 5+++ j R+++$ G- tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+>++(*) u** h* f r-->+++ !n y++**

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CompuTrace and the like
by Richard Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Yanked from today's Edupage: > ONLINE SERVICES HAVE DATA MINES, TOO > The online service you use has been compiling data on you too, > including your social security number, credit card number, demography and > interest areas. Using this and other data, CompuServe offers a service > called CompuTrace, which offers the last known address for any person in > the U.S. A similar service will tell you how long someone has had a > particular phone number or lived at a particular address and who else lives > there, and yet another service provides information on how to obtain > driving records, state by state. A bill was passed by the House last month > that would require all telecommunications companies, including online > services, to tell consumers what information is being collected, how it's > being used, and provide an opportunity to opt out. (Tampa Tribune 8/15/94 > B&F 3) ======== We need 'nyms with electronic reputations, and true electronic cash to protect the "real" us from things like CompuTrace (not to mention the USPS practice of selling to junk mailers whatever info you give them on address change cards). The alternative is yet another law... I don't know whether to applaud the House bill, or curse. Anyone have the bill number? Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a-sterno-bait iQCVAgUBLlHU2fobez3wRbTBAQHQHQQAo825CO9AbC4BJgbZs5mrqr6sQh5BwzfY HmhxWX9vNF91h/ErnG+cuywMAmsmaUpUurEvHUk5IiAa+xs1tcExVr62EP+MTwKx zyllH1hX4NpUpbIAMPvR0OD7iUvvVxgKiA1SF6qYWtj1ZY0lpI9bAe47+tEI8PDJ XeoOQoWUMnw= =VMAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Something of Interest (fwd)
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:03 AM -0700 7/19/97, Alan wrote: >At 01:51 AM 7/19/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>Hey, I'm here. Didn't get one of these IRS msgs at any of my accounts. >> >>Is it just me, or does anyone else remember a similar message being pumped >>out about the same time Bell was raided (April 1). > >I will check the archives... > No need to check. Recall that the odd name, "IRS Investigations," was our first word on the Bell raid. I didn't comment earlier when Declan asked, as I thought he was making a rhetorical point. --Tim May Voluntary Mandatory Self-Rating of this Article (U.S. Statute 43-666-970719). Warning: Failure to Correctly and Completely Label any Article or Utterance is a Felony under the "Children's Internet Safety Act of 1997," punishable by 6 months for the first offense, two years for each additional offense, and a $100,000 fine per offense. Reminder: The PICS/RSACi label must itself not contain material in violation of the Act. ** PICS/RSACi Voluntary Self-Rating (Text Form) ** : Suitable for Children: yes Age Rating: 5 years and up. Suitable for Christians: No Suitable for Moslems: No Hindus: Yes Pacifists: No Government Officials: No Nihilists: Yes Anarchists: Yes Vegetarians: Yes Vegans: No Homosexuals: No Atheists: Yes Caucasoids: Yes Negroids: No Mongoloids: Yes Bipolar Disorder: No MPD: Yes and No Attention Deficit Disorder:Huh? --Contains discussions of sexuality, rebellion, anarchy, chaos,torture, regicide, presicide, suicide, aptical foddering. --Contains references hurtful to persons of poundage and people of color.Sensitive persons are advised to skip this article. **SUMMARY** Estimated number of readers qualified to read this: 1 Composite Age Rating: 45 years

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