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IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:35:10 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0929-101.txt Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill U.S. Newswire 29 Sep 8:49 Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill To: National and State desks Contact: David Carle of the Office of Sen. Patrick Leahy, 202-224-3693 WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following is the statement of Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Senate passage Monday night, Sept. 28, 1998, of the Hatch-Leahy-Kyl Substitute to S.2392, which was initially introduced by Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, at the request of the Administration. The bill also includes a new amendment by Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.). The bill now goes to the House. The bill's purpose is to encourage the full disclosure and exchange of solutions and test results for Year 2000 computer problems, by providing limited liability protection, for a limited time, for specific kinds of Year 2000 information that is considered essential to remediation efforts, but not for faulty products or services. It promotes company-to-company information sharing, without limiting the rights of consumers. The bill also includes a Leahy provision chartering a national Y2K Website for consumers, small businesses and local governments. "Four-hundred and fifty-eight days from now, millions of computers controlling our air traffic, recording credit card sales, running electric and phone systems, tracking bank deposits and monitoring hospital patients may crash in befuddlement. "No bill can magically solve the Y2K problem, but this bill greatly increases the chances that people will come forward more readily with solutions. "This bill also includes a provision I have offered that will help consumers, small businesses and local governments by chartering a national information clearinghouse and Website as a starting point to provide rapid and accurate information about solving Y2K problems. "Knowledge is power in exterminating the millennium bug, and it makes perfect sense to amplify and encourage the use of the Internet itself as an information resource in grappling with this problem." -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 09/29 08:49 Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:41:25 -0700 > Jim Choate wrote: > > The only objection to releasing an API is to > > stifle competition, *THAT* is a bad thing. > > There are a number of other reasons -- principally support and backwards > compatibility costs. If you release an API for a commercial application > for ISVs, you better make sure it is relatively bug-free and mature. As > soon as someone else's code relies on that API, you are stuck with > making sure it continues to work as the product evolves. This is bogus reasoning. If the API is released there is *more* motivation for the original distributor to keep backward compatibility and bug-free. If it isn't some pissed off set of programmers will write a replacement. Furthermore the motivation to keep future compatibility is also increased. You want quality code that is bullet-proof then release the API and let the fittest survive. If nothing else it's going to determine if your as bad-assed programmer as you think you are. > There is nothing wrong with public and private APIs, and we hope that > the ad hoc private APIs from some midnight-oil-burning-hack to get the > product to ship on time that have useful functionality will eventually > be integrated into a mature public API. If you release the API you'll find those midnight hacks go away, *not* increase as you seem to be claiming. The history of quality over time of the Open Software producers amply proves this. Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and popular as Linux. > Modular OOP design means you have lots of interfaces, you don't > necessarily want people to be able to dig in-between all the pieces of > your program -- often you cannot protect application/data integrity if > they do. Malarky. If you're data structures are that fragile then you need to go back to the drawing board. > > Had Microsoft, for example, been required to publish their > > API's by the market we wouldn't be spending all this effort > > You state free-market and then you are *requiring* someone to do > something? How do you resolve that contradiction? Require = Force != > Free[dom] Free-market *requires* fair competition, don't blame that requirement on me I had nothing to do with it. Free-market does not mean carte blanche as to what manufacturers can do, it means there are no outside regulations applied. It says *nothing* about internal regulation applied by either the producer or the consumer. If you are seriously saying that the only workable market scheme is to let people cheat and steal from others (which is what poorly written and unreliable code does) then you need to quit typing and starting thinking. > As far as *commercial* software vendors go, Microsoft is one of the > better companies for publishing APIs and creating useful APIs and tools Malarky. Microsoft has so many hidden, undocumented, incomplete API's it isn't even funny. > for Rapid Application Development. Do you subscribe to MSDN? Please do > before you crucify Microsoft for lack of APIs, if anything they have too > many. Subscribe to the MSDN? I work for Tivoli in Austin as a Senior Software Verification Engineer. I spend about 8-10 hours a day banging on software running on: SunOS 4.x Solaris 2.x HP/UX 9.x HP/UX 10.x AIX 3.x AIX 4.x WinNT 4.0 WinNT 3.51 W4W W3.11 OS/2 3.x OS/2 4.x AS/400 Novell 3.x Novell 4.x IRIX 4.x IRIX 5.x DG Unix Digital Unix NextStep networked via, TCP/IP IPX SNA Token Ring databases we support, Oracle Sybase Informix DB2 DBMX I've also worked on: Pick Linux (since 0.42) QNX SCO Interactive BSD CP/M C64 AmigaDOS 4DOS It requires that I comprehend and write shell scripts, Perl, C, C++, REXX, 4TEST, CORBA IDL on these platforms. I started analog and digital electronics in 1969, I started programming in BASIC/8 on a PDP 8/e in 1973. I built my first 6800 based machines from the ground up in 1974 when I was a freshman in high school. I've been employed in a hardware or software position since 1978 when I graduated high school. I've owned more different types of machines than I care to remember. I've worked in a science museum building 40 exhibits over 7 years (2 of which are in the Smithsonian, 1 is at the Exploratorium and 1 is at the Chicago Museum of Science and Technology, and I worked on the IBM Leonardo exhibit.) and had the pleasure of running their computer group for 5 of those years. I taught astronomy at the museum for 3 years and explained exhibits to the visitors for 7 years. I've been using MS Dos and Windows since the 1.0 days. I worked for the DoD building non-Von Neumann computers (RTL architecture). I hold a NASA certification (expired) for space rated soldering and mechanical assembly. I used to work on cesium beam atomic clocks and LORAN-C equipment. I run my own custom development business since 1984, and it's been on the internet since 1994 via ISDN. I've been running a BBS of some sort since '76 and had one continously online since '83. I helped develop TurBoard the first NAPLPS bbs software. I program in assembly on PDP/VAX 11, 6800, 6502, 8080, z80, 68k, 80x86, Sparc RISC, both types of POWER chips, & 8051. My current assignment is to build an automated software test engine that will test *all* the above OS'es with all the Tivoli products (are you familiar with Tivoli?), with all the point-patches, maintenance releases, and service packs installed in a user defined combinatorial environment. Microsoft's API's suck rocks. What do you do for a living? ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:21:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: Vlad Stesin <rmiles(a)Generation.NET> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > > > > Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and popular as Linux. > > > > Which BSD are you talking about? From my personal and professional > experience, OpenBSD, NetBSD and FreeBSD proved to be just as stable (and > OpenBSD even more stable and reliable) than Linux. All three of them are > Take a look at http://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html for more info. > > I hope you meant BSD/OS when you mentioned BSD :-) Well I've used all three version. In particular after I got my current Sun 4/380 from the local CACTUS Unix user group I tried several variaties of BSD on it and none of them have stayed up as long, had as many applications available for them, or been easier to debug than Linux SPARC (and that is behind x86 by a couple of generations - though that should change in the immediate future). I also tried it on my Amiga 2000 when there wasn't a working version of Linux for it. I've got like 5 different disk sets I've tried over the last 3 years, thanks I'll stick with Linux SPARC. I've even got an *old* version of BSD before they went with their current license scheme that I used when I worked at Compu-Add from '91 through '92 in their POS support department because one of our food chain customers liked the way the box arched....:) I have yet to see any BSD installation with a total uptime greater than 8-10 weeks whereas I've seen my *old* 1.1.59 Linux version (still running on einstein.ssz.com at this very moment) stay up for over 6 months between reboots (and even then it wasn't a requirement, the clock keeps wondering off and by 6 months it's nearly 12 hours ahead). I have no desire to get into a OS war, I currently use like 6 different os'es at home - to each their own. But to assuage your curiosity I prefer AmigaDOS and/or Plan 9 with Logo for programming (now if I could only find a decent Logo compiler), though Amoeba is starting to look pretty interesting. I'd use BeOS a lot more if I thought for one second there was a real future for it, even though I do try each release. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > The only objection to releasing an API is to > stifle competition, *THAT* is a bad thing. There are a number of other reasons -- principally support and backwards compatibility costs. If you release an API for a commercial application for ISVs, you better make sure it is relatively bug-free and mature. As soon as someone else's code relies on that API, you are stuck with making sure it continues to work as the product evolves. There is nothing wrong with public and private APIs, and we hope that the ad hoc private APIs from some midnight-oil-burning-hack to get the product to ship on time that have useful functionality will eventually be integrated into a mature public API. Modular OOP design means you have lots of interfaces, you don't necessarily want people to be able to dig in-between all the pieces of your program -- often you cannot protect application/data integrity if they do. It's like custom software versus shrink-wrap. I write a lot of custom software, it works for what it needs to do for a specific scenario, if that changes I modify and recompile. There is a *lot* of work -- time, money, *my* cost -- to take that custom application and make it flexible and generic enough to be shrink-wrap and work in all scenarios. And if I don't do it well enough I have a major support/liability problem. Same applies to public vs private APIs. > The idea from a free-market perspective: > Had Microsoft, for example, been required to publish their > API's by the market we wouldn't be spending all this effort You state free-market and then you are *requiring* someone to do something? How do you resolve that contradiction? Require = Force != Free[dom] As far as *commercial* software vendors go, Microsoft is one of the better companies for publishing APIs and creating useful APIs and tools for Rapid Application Development. Do you subscribe to MSDN? Please do before you crucify Microsoft for lack of APIs, if anything they have too many. > Bottem line, if you believe in a free-market (which requires fair > competition to work and prevent monopolies) Pure speculative nonsense contrary to empirical evidence. Market distortions the government creates are far worse than any Wonderland monopoly you can dream up that will exist in a true free market. Matt

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IP: Army goes offline in reaction to Pentagon order
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Army goes offline in reaction to Pentagon order Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:24:30 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Federal Computer Week http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1998/0928/web-army-9-28-98.html ---------- SEPTEMBER 28, 1998 . . . 11:50 EDT ---------- Army goes offline in reaction to Pentagon order BY BOB BREWIN (antenna(a)fcw.com) The Army slammed shut its door to the wired world last week, closing down all its World Wide Web sites in reaction to a new Pentagon Web security policy. Only the Army had such a drastic response to a Defense Department memo issued last week that spelled out what information DOD Web sites should and should not post. The Air Force, the Navy and the Marine Corps still offer the public access to popular and highly visible Web pages. The Army's move is in reaction to Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre's policy memo released Sept. 17, which directed all military organizations that maintain Web sites to review and then remove sensitive information that could aid potential enemies of the United States. Hamre said some Web sites in the past have provided "too much detail on DOD capabilities, infrastructure and operational capabilities.'' Hamre said this new policy will help DOD to "strike a balance between openness and sound security.'' The Army, according to an internal message furnished to FCW, responded by directing all commanders to ensure that "all of their publicly accessible Web sites are immediately disconnected from the Internet.'' Lt. Gen. William Campbell, the Army's director of information systems for command, control, communications and computers, sent the message at 5 p.m. Friday. He added that the shutdown could be accomplished by physically disconnecting Web servers from the public network, moving all Web site files from public to nonpublic servers or instituting control mechanisms that prohibit public access. The internal Army message also suggested that commands deal with frustrated users trying to access Army Web sites by posting a new "cover page'' (in use on many Army Web pages, including the main site at www.army.mil) that reads: "This Army Web site is not currently available. This Web site will be available again after maintenance is completed.'' The Web shutdown caught the public affairs staff at the Department of the Army's headquarters in the Pentagon by surprise. An Army spokesman was unable to offer any explanation for the move or any indication of when the sites would be operating again. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Secret Courts Approve More Wiretapping
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Secret Courts Approve More Wiretapping Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:50:51 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Excerpted from: ---------------------------------- From: "John C. Goodman- National Center for Policy Analysis" <ncpa(a)onramp.net> National Center for Policy Analysis DAILY POLICY DIGEST Wednesday, September 30, 1998 <snip> SECRET COURTS APPROVE MORE WIRETAPPING Judges in secret federal courts are authorizing unprecedented numbers of wiretaps and clandestine searches, according to U.S. Department of Justice records. The courts were authorized by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). o During the last three years, an annual average of 760 wiretaps and searches were carried out -- a 38 percent increase from the 550 a year average for 1990 to 1994. o Since 1995, FISA courts also have authorized searches of the homes, cars, computers and other property of suspected spies. o In all, the courts have approved 11,950 applications and turned down one request. Proponents argue the surveillance reflects a stepped-up federal response to increased terrorist activity on American soil. But opponents contend that the process endangers the very liberties it seeks to protect. "There's a growing addiction to the use of secret courts as an alternative to more conventional investigative means," points out Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University. The law requires the Justice Department -- and usually the FBI or the National Security Agency -- to show the judge that the target is a foreign government or agent engaging in "clandestine intelligence gathering activities" or terrorism. Source: Richard Willing, "With Secret Courts' OK, Wiretapping on the Rise," and "Secrecy Might Be Weak Link in Taps of Suspected Spies," both USA Today, September 30, 1998. For more on Terrorism http://www.ncpa.org/pi/congress/cong9.html **************************************************************************** NATIONAL CENTER FOR POLICY ANALYSIS DALLAS, TEXAS "Making Ideas Change the World" Internet Address: http://www.ncpa.org **************************************************************************** ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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by Cory R. King 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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U.K. Hosts Bomb-Proof Computer Room
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: William Knowles <erehwon(a)kizmiaz.dis.org> To: DC-Stuff <dc-stuff(a)dis.org>, Access All Areas <aaa-list(a)access.org.uk> cc: Digital Commerce Society of Boston <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: U.K. Hosts Bomb-Proof Computer Room Organization: Home for retired social engineers & unrepented cryptophreaks MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: William Knowles <erehwon(a)kizmiaz.dis.org> (Network Week) [9.30.98] Anyone worried about the security of e-commerce might find a nuclear bomb-proof server room lightly excessive, but that is exactly what British company AL Digital, the company behind the Apache-SSL secure Web server, is offering. AL Digital, based in London, is offering host servers at The Bunker, an ex-military base that was formerly a key British Ministry of Defense communications center. The company said the facility had secure chambers buried deep underground and communications capacity available on tap. "We feel physical security is often overlooked," said AL Digital director Adam Laurie. "Hacking and cracking are not the major risks anymore because of strong encryption; where you're vulnerable is at the physical point at which you decrypt the data." Laurie said the servers based at The Bunker would be protected against electronic eavesdropping, physical intrusion, and electromagnetic damage, as well as a nuclear strike. "We could have built our own secure facility, but we heard this was on the market," he added. He said it's as physically robust as Telehouse, a high-security server-hosting facility in Staten Island, N.Y., if not more so. == I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover == http://www.dis.org/erehwon/ For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:24:09 -0400 Reply-To: bzs(a)world.std.com Originator: com-priv(a)lists.psi.com Sender: com-priv(a)lists.psi.com Precedence: bulk From: Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv(a)lists.psi.com> Subject: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? X-Comment: Commercialization and Privatization of the Internet We've been having increasing problems with one or more porn sites in the .to domain promoting itself by massive spamming of AOL customers using one of our domains in their From: header thus causing both complaints to us and thousands of bounces from AOL due to bad AOL addresses in their spam lists. Looking at the .to domain I can't help but notice it's heavily laden with what appear to be porn sites (sexonline.to, come.to, xxxhardcore.to, etc.) 1. Performing traceroutes and other analyses seems to indicate that this domain is NOT being used for communication with entities legitimately located (legally, not only geographically) within the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Tonga, as intended. 2. Clearly criminal and malicious activites are arising from sites to which Tonga has provided comfort and sanctuary. 3. Therefore, I call for a process whereby it can be determined as to whether or not it is appropriate to decommission the Tongan domain due to negligence, mismanagement, and having allowed it to become an attractive resource for criminal activities. I do not believe the Tongan domain serves any legitimate purpose as an internet resource. In support of this assertion I want to show you an SMTP conversation with what claims to be the Consulate of the Government of Tonga in San Francisco (This San Francisco office is listed as an official Tongan contact point for visas etc by the US State Dept): world% telnet sfconsulate.gov.to 25 Trying 209.24.51.169... Connected to sfconsulate.gov.to. Escape character is '^]'. 220 colo.to SMTP ready, Who are you gonna pretend to be today? VRFY postmaster 500 Bloody Amateur! Proper forging of mail requires recognizable SMTP commands! -------------------- Viewing the web page for the Tongan Consulate in the US (http://sfconsulate.gov.to) reveals nothing but an ad for a software company, this page ends with: Need a domain name? Contact the Kingdom of Tonga Internet domain name registry. -------------------- Consequently, I assert there is no reason for this domain to exist and it should be removed from the root name servers. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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