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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul is coming from AOL using Netscape as a mailer and using the open relay at cesvxa.ces.edu. Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16186 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 02:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cesvxa (cesvxa.ces.edu [144.50.1.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA16181 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 02:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 200-148-112.ipt.aol.com (200-148-112.ipt.aol.com) by cesvxa.ces.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #6874) id <01J2AH6J8P400003T4(a)cesvxa.ces.edu> for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:01:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 05:59:49 -0700 From: "Paul H. Merrill" <paulmerrill(a)acm.org> Subject: Re: To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Message-id: <360E36C5.33C7DFDC(a)acm.org> Organization: Twenty First Century Camelot MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199809270531.HAA09168(a)replay.com> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com X-List-Admin: ichudov(a)algebra.com X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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by STUFFED NEWS DAILY 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Website owner/administrator
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Netscape gives in to key escrow
by Jonathan Zamick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>And thus we return to my original point, which is that it will depend on >what is said/disclosed. If every copy of GAKscape had a banner, bigger >than the Netscape "N" which said, "The government can read every message >you send using this software no matter what you do" then I think >consumers will be hard pressed to say they weren't warned. I don't mean to be inflamatory, but it isn't much of a point. They aren't going to put such a banner up because that would limit their business. The goal of Netscape (though I don't single them out), any corporation that would profit from business of those who seek encryption while still allowing GAK, and the government, is to limit the public's awareness of the size of the hole. If they let people know the extent of the hole, then they'll use products w/out it which blows profits from companies involved, and doesn't benefit the government who want it in common use. >I disagree. Almost nobody read the fine print on the back of a note you >sign when you buy a car or otherwise take out a loan, but the provisions >are generally enforceable ... Ignorance is not necessarily an excuse. The question is whether there was false representation of the security of the product. 1. The general knowledge of encryption and secure electronic financial transactions is significantly lower than that of more standard transactions. 2. Applying for a loan or buying a car involve actively going out, negotiating, signing contracts, etc. It will be much simpler to simply stick your vital info into a 'secure' browser. 3. The choice of browser to use will be done, based on representations by companies about the security of their product. If Netscape doesn't explicitly state in direct terms when accessing the browser that the GAK is a potential security risk, then they will be sued. Simply because someone will get blamed. Since they (or again any company that incorporates GAK.. I really don't want to target Netscape in specific) will make the threat sound as insignificant as possible, and not bring it to people's attention (and they can't afford to do so) when (not if) it is breached they will be taken to court repeatedly. > >EBD Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ..Jonathan Zamick Consensus Development Corporation.. ..<JonathanZ(a)consensus.com> 1563 Solano Ave, #355.. .. Berkeley, CA 94707-2116.. .. o510/559-1500 f510/559-1505.. ..Mosaic/WWW Home Page: .. .. Consensus Home Page ..

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Twofish News: New Twofish Analaysis and the Cryptanalysis of Magenta
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are two new papers on the Twofish website: - The second Twofish Technical Report, where we give the results of our empirical verification of some Twofish key uniqueness properties. This result gives us further confidence that there are no related or weak keys. - An initial cryptanalysis of Magenta, one of the other AES submissions. This short paper was written at the first AES workshop, hours after the Magenta algorithm was first released. Certainly there are improvements to this attack, and beginning cryptography students would do well to work on this algorithm. Both of these papers are on the Twofish website: http://www.counterpane.com/twofish.html Also, the Twofish Pentium assembly code had a small bug in it; revised code is available on the website. We are interested in other implementations of Twofish. If anyone has ported the algorithm to Visual Basic, Perl, Motorola assembly, or any other smart card processor, and is willing to make their code public, we'd be happy to hear from them. For other AES news, visit the NIST website at: http://www.nist.gov/aes And for a free subscription to my free email monthly newsletter, CRYPTO-GRAM, visit the subscription page at: http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html Cheers, Bruce ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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One Nation Update
by Scott Balson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear One Nation supporters in NSW Later today Pauline Hanson will launch the One Nation campaign in Gatton. In the meantime there are two new pages on the Internet worth visiting The day Pauline Hanson defeated the politically correct lobby <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/federal/28sept">http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/federal/28sept Liberals and Nationals lump law abiding firearm owners in with paedophiles <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/press/290998.html">http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/press/290998.html (With a link to the Liberal web site page) Please have a look at further policy updates at: <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/policy.html">http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/policy.html and don't forget the Federal Election pages at: <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/federal">http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/federal Finally, on Saturday you can participate in real time chat with hundreds of others, View: <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/forum.html">http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/forum.html to find out how. GWB Scott Balson Pauline Hanson's One Nation Web Master

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Attribution: GAK, Netscape, CyberDog, and you.
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In the heat of the moment, I failed to attribute something to someone who you all should know about: Tim May, one of the founders of cypherpunks, and the person who used a greatly expanded form of this argument yesterday on that list. While I'm not a journalist, I did violate the rules of "News 101", and did not attribute the source of this excellent argument. Heavy lifting, indeed. Of course, that's nothing new. I don't believe I've ever had an original thought in my life... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga P.S. Sorry, Rich, but I just had to do this one... >Netscape's Jim Clark has quite a tightrope act going. He has a stock price which gives Netscape a P/E ratio of something like 7,000 (the S&P average right now is about 14), which means he really ought to get some revenue in the door, or his investors are going to have his hide. The next thing is, the government is a *really* big customer, and *they* want GAK, in case you haven't noticed. ;-). Couple this with the fact that Netscape is pretty much replicable by concentrated developer effort because its underlying technology is an open standard, *and* the fact that any significant attempt by them to create any real proprietary standards on the internet is practically impossible in the long run, unless they get a whole lot of very big customers in a hurry. > >Now, it looks like that's what happened already, because a lot of very large companies have signed on to using Netscape servers, but you can also see how really weak Netscape's position is when Uncle Sam knocks on their door and asks for a key escrow "bug" in every "secure" Netscape web session. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBML92Q/gyLN8bw6ZVAQF1KQQAkqsgQJ/u9123iqLzYuduTbz6uQJtUuSQ q5DQY/3mwGMqwoXHgWnKkx3gsT0kAZwYWIUTaKB81S7GNsgrTtqabhAy+WlemACT 7bw1TbxRL80GKXSiSfeb1BdCyUyi/yfFO6zB3m8wWB4632Bpo5RqQEd1+jCHmDgw JHo6plE8oQ0= =/Kd2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 958-3971 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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IP: NATIONAL ID
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Larry Becraft <becraft(a)hiwaay.net> Subject: IP: NATIONAL ID Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:51:20 -0500 To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com To Whomever is interested in fighting the National ID: The Dept. of Transportation has a pending regulation which is the basis for the national ID. The deadline for submitting objections is Oct. 2 and we need to have several thousand objections filed with the DoT. There are about 2200 objections filed so far. I have my own letter objecting to the national ID posted to the "fight the fingerprint" webpage, which is accessed thru: http://www.networkusa.org/index.shtml All you have to do is personalize it for yourself. Specifically, my letter is posted at this URL: http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page1b/fp-dot-becraft-reg-obj.html Scott McDonald also has a suggested letter posted on this same page, and it is found at: http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page1b/fp-dot-reg-obj-format.html Please take a few moments to download and copy any of these letters, personalize it for yourself and mail it in. Please circulate this note so that people will send in more objections. Larry Becraft ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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Re: [salman rushdie]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/27/98, A Cypherpunk Who Wishes Not To Have His Name Used Here wrote to me: > In article <3.0.5.32.19980926215457.00ad1510(a)idiom.com> Bill Stewart wrote: > > If there's cypherpunks relevance to this, it's that cryptographic > > privacy and digital cash payments make it easier to publish > > controversial material without the threat of violence against you. > > On the other hand, privacy and digital cash payments make it > easier to hire and reward hit men. > > You may not like it, but there's no sense in pretending it isn't so. True enough, though in Rushdie's case, the social environment provided enough protection that the murder could be called for, the reward could be offered, and several of Rushdie's associates could be murdered without any resort to crypto. At least if you want to publish something that you _know_ will annoy people enough that they want to kill you, you can do it more safely if you've got a range of options for anonymity. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Cypherpunks defeat? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:13:36 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks defeat? (fwd) > At 10:06 PM 9/28/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > I haven't seen that in 10 years or more. I doubt that > > anyone will find this approach very widely. > > I find this invariably happens with buying computers or guns > from cheap sources. If you have never encountered this, you > are paying too much for your computers and your guns.=20 What in the world do you mean 'cheap sources'? I doubt I'm paying too much for my hardware. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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