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Militiamen Assault Federal Command Post
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:22:20 -0500 From: Anarchist News Service <news(a)overthrow.com> Reply-To: "news(a)overthrow.com" <news(a)overthrow.com> Organization: Utopian Anarchist Party MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.anarchism,alt.society.anarchy,alt.law-enforcement,alt.politics.youth,alt .society.high-school,alt.politics.radical-left,dc.general,alt.evil,alt.nuke. the.USA,alt.parents.stupid,alt.politics.drinking-age,alt.politics.libertaria n,alt.politics. To: "news(a)overthrow.com" <news(a)overthrow.com> Subject: Militiamen Assault Federal Command Post; Shots Exchanged, No Injuries Militiamen Assault Federal Command Post Shots Exchanged, No Injuries November 17, 1998 Andrews, NC -- An unknown number of militiamen attacked a federal command post late last week, exchanging fire with agents. No injuries on either side were reported, and the unknown number of militiamen were said to have fled. The Rudolph Command Post, in Andrews NC, is the base from which more than 200 federal agents are conducting a search for Eric Rudolph, suspected bomber of a number of abortion clinics and of the 1996 Olympics. Federal agents say that bullets whizzed by their heads and that one agent was barely grazed when nearly a dozen shots were fired into their headquarters. Eric Rudolph, 32, has been charged in numerous bombings, including one that killed a police officer, and has fled into the woods of Western North Carolina. The eighty agents that had been assigned to the case, until recently, when their number was boosted to 200, have been unable to locate Rudolph. ANS correspondants on the scene that the local residents overwhelmingly support Rudolph, and that many have pledged that they would support and shelter him if they felt it necessary. Rudolph is linked to far-right Christian organizations. ANS's North Carolina correspondents are not sympathetic to these organizations. ----- For more anarchist news and information, contact: Utopian Anarchist Party Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 uap(a)overthrow.com http://www.overthrow.com

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Top teams revised FOR YOU BRITS
by francearewcwinners＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

HERE HERE HERE ALLAN AND JEFF ARE YOU HAPPY no numbers >ASTON VILLA >MANCHSETER UNITED >ENGLAND >real madrid >holland >FEYNORD >france >itlay >brazil >BAYERN MUNICH HAPPY ALLAN ARE YOU get me that deal with NIKE ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Re: Top players in the world revised:
by francearewcwinners＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Fw: Re: Top players in the world revised:
by zzq2＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Error Condition Re: Another charge question for you physics genius'es (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I guess Bill's decided to play around with his filtering software.... Forwarded message: > From cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net Sat Nov 21 16:02:59 1998 > From: cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:58:50 -0500 > Message-Id: <199811212202.QAA16288(a)einstein.ssz.com> > Errors-To: whgiii(a)openpgp.net > Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net > Originator: cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net > Sender: cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net > Precedence: bulk > To: ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com > Cc: whgiii(a)openpgp.net > Subject: Error Condition Re: Another charge question for you physics genius'es > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Loop: ssz.com > Content-Type: text > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > X-Loop: openpgp.net > > > We are sorry, but this system sensed the following request which may have been > inadvertedly sent to this list: > > GET YOURSELF A 10,000 MIKE ELECTROLYTIC CAP. I PREFER ONE OF THE CYLINDRICAL > > If your posting was intentional, please accept our apologies and resend your > mail message, making sure you do not include anything that may look like a > request in the first line of the body of the actual message. If this was > indeed a request please resend it to listproc > Your entire message > is copied below. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get yourself a 10,000 mike electrolytic cap. I prefer one of the cylindrical > blue ones that have the 8-32 threaded terms on the top. Put a screw in each > terminal. Short the screws with commen copper connection wire. Let it sit > for several days to be sure there is no charge on it. > > Then remove the wire and let it sit for a couple of weeks. Then I dare you > to touch it to your tongue. > > The question is: > > Where did that charge that just knocked the shit out of you come from? > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want > the right answers. > > Scully (X-Files) > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >

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Re: Error Condition Re: Another charge question for you physics genius'es (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)openpgp.net> > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:05:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Another charge question for you physics genius'es (fwd) > In <199811212205.QAA16339(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 11/21/98 > at 04:05 PM, Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> said: > > >I guess Bill's decided to play around with his filtering software.... > > No, listproc has some internal filtering to prevent message loops, subscribe requests, error messages, ect from going out to the main list. Unfortunately these settings can not be adjusted in the list settings but are set at compile time for the software. > > I have a shitload of error messages in my mailbox I have to sort through and figure out wether listproc is going to be too much of a PITA. I may have to get majordomo installed on the system and use that if this becomes too much of a problem (I really don't have time to be continually babysitting the system). > > Ahhh the joy and fun of running a CP node. :) :) Good luck and apologies for my incorrect conclusion. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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PGP shells ...
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, On the issue of shells for PGP, has anyone released a REXX based shell? I have REXX working on my Dos, Linux, and Amiga boxes and the cross-compatibility would be very nifty... Any info on existing REXX shells or front-ends would be appreciated.

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Re: Error Condition Re: Another charge question for you physics genius'es (fwd)
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <199811212307.RAA16588(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 11/21/98 at 06:03 PM, Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> said: >Forwarded message: >> From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)openpgp.net> >> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:05:10 -0500 >> Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Another charge question for you physics genius'es (fwd) >> In <199811212205.QAA16339(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 11/21/98 >> at 04:05 PM, Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> said: >> >> >I guess Bill's decided to play around with his filtering software.... >> >> No, listproc has some internal filtering to prevent message loops, subscribe requests, error messages, ect from going out to the main list. Unfortunately these settings can not be adjusted in the list settings but are set at compile time for the software. >> >> I have a shitload of error messages in my mailbox I have to sort through and figure out wether listproc is going to be too much of a PITA. I may have to get majordomo installed on the system and use that if this becomes too much of a problem (I really don't have time to be continually babysitting the system). >> >> Ahhh the joy and fun of running a CP node. :) >:) >Good luck and apologies for my incorrect conclusion. FWIW when a message is rejected both the sender and myself should get CC'd a copy of the message and the reason for the reject so no messages should be "lost". Some of the filtering is nice, like those elmz blank subject error messages are filtered out by the program. Unfortunatly a "good" message gets filtered and I need to manually forward it to the list. Since I don't have any subscribers yet this has not been a problem. :) -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Oh, a warning about playing with glass & charge....
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you do decide to play with charges stored on glass plates wear eye protection because every once in a while the mechanical stress is more than the glass can take and it will shatter. One way you can do this is to go to your local video arcade and purchase one of the glass sheets they use to cover their pinball machines. Then carry that glass plate by the edge in your hand as you scuff your feet across a nylon pile carpet (again wear safety glasses). The result about 1 out of 100 times, or if you've got lots of patience and can afford hours to scuff feet on carpet, is that the glass plate will shatter with a report about equivalent to a .22. Anyone watching should also wear eye protection as the shards can go 20ft. or moe. It's best if you do this on a cold dry day. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Oh, a warning about playing with glass & charge.... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:05:41 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Oh, a warning about playing with glass & charge.... > And when you do your "...and then take away one of the copper plates" > experiment, you'll find that force is needed. Force times distance is > energy. The energy to pull one of the plates away equals the 0.5CV^2 energy > no longer stored in the capacitor. This is true ONLY if the dielectric doesn't touch either plate and is simply used to increase the storage capability (via Gauss' Law) of the capacitor over an air gap type of the same physical structure. The reason you have this force is the induced charge on the surface of the dielectric and the electrostatic attraction this causes with the charge on the plate. If the plate ACTUALY TOUCHES there is NO INDUCED CHARGE via Gauss's Law, it's a REAL charge stored on the surface of the insulating dielectric and the plate remains NEUTRALY charged. Why is there no induced charged? Because as you place charge on the conducting plate it induces a charge via Gauss' Law on the dielctric. Since the metal has outer orbital electrons available (which an insulator doesn't) the charge in the plate gets transported to the surface of the insulator and bonds there (remember unlike charges attract) with the induced charge. Why does the charge storage increase because of the dielectric? The electrical moment of the atoms is greater than that of the air. This is another reason the charge once deposited on the dielectric surface will stay there when the plate is removed. If you go back and look at the examples in your physics books that your basing your position on you'll find that in EVERY case there is an air gap between the plates and the dielectric. Remove the air gap and the behaviour of the charge and hence it's explanation changes accordingly. > The energy stored is not stored either on the plate or on the insulator. It > is in the electric field. Q: Where does the electric field come from Tim? A: The charges (ie electrons and protons) that are sitting on the surface of the dielectric (where the di- comes from). The electric field strength is a measure of the wavelength of the photons those two contrary sets of particles are bouncing back and forth between themselves. Q: Explain why the charge sitting on the surface of that dielectric will stay on the metal plate when the metal plate is removed. The metal plate is a conductor so as it is removed it effectively carries the charge of the part of the dielectric that it still retains contact with. Why would that e- choose to move TOWARD a ne- charge when it's sitting there with an opposite charge already in a minimum energy configuration? A: It won't. To do so violates the minimal energy requirements of the system as well as the standard behaviour of charges (ie like repel, opposite attract). Another experiment.... Try removing the metal foil when there is a charge and when there isn't. You won't find an appreciable difference. As to the energy required to remove the foil, yes force times distance is energy and it's the energy requisite to overcome the inertia of the metal foil. There is also a small additional force caused by Gauss' Law because the the distance between the e- (for example) stored on the dielectric and the metal plate will form a 'virtual' charge on the surface of the plate. However, since the plate itself is neutral (by definition) there will be a contrary charge on the opposite side. Hence, you won't loose a single coulomb of charge to the metal plate. You can check this by using either an electronic charge meter (1-800-OMEGA if you're interested) or you can use a gold leaf electrometer. If the charge varies as Tim claims then the angle between the leaves should change (ie get smaller). It won't. As to the force, the maximal force will occur when the plate is removed as a single piece perpendicular to the surface of the dielectric. If you roll or peel it off it will for all intents and purposes come free effortlessy because you won't have to fight the electrostatic force. -------------------------------------- < Cu + ------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- < Cu - ------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- < Cu + ------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- < Cu - NOTE: there is NO air gap between the glass and the Cu sheeting. I use normal old cinter blocks to press them together as tightly as I can. Another experinment: Build the stack as shown above and remove each later one at at time with and without charge. Note the behaviour of the metal plate. It will tend to go with the glass plate that is being removed. Because of induced charges via Gauss' Law the foil will tend to go with the glass plate as it's removed. --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Cu + --------------------------------------------- As the top plate is removed the air gap will force a virtual charge to build up on the surface of the foil. As a consequence an opposite and equal charge will build up on the other side of the foil and it will be + and in opposition to the + charge already sitting on the bottem glass plate. The induced charge on the top of the Cu will be - and will be attracted to the + charge on the bottem of the top plate. This of course assumes you're using very thin foil. If it's very thick at all you won't see this because of gravity. I tend to use very heavy foil so that I don't get shocks from these various induced fields when I'm handling the plates. Be sure to use heavy rubber gloves. Rubbermaid kitchen gloves intended for industrial washing are sufficient unless you're going to use a high voltage and charge. Anybody who wants to understand the theory (despite Tim's claims to the contrary) is welcome to check out: Physics Jay Orear ISBN 0-02-389460-1 Chpt. 16, Electrostatics pp. 308 - 338 in particular, pp. 327, 16-6 Dielectrics ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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