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Ruling in Payne & Morales v NSA's Minihan
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday 5/1/98 2:15 PM John Young Nice to talk to you a few minutes ago. Even in person! Judge Santiago Campos ruled in Payne and Morales v NSA Minihan. http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm Morales opted to meet and open the ruling even though it is a week end. Usually, I NEVER open a lawyer letter on near a weekend or a vacation. But we do file lawsuits on Friday. That way we get to blast THEM [Great Satan supporters] on the Infobahn before the court has a chance to seal the complaint. Mail Boxes Etc. charges only $.04 per page special copy charge on Fridays too V $.07 on other days. We, unlike DOE, are mindful of containing litigation costs. The ruling is 56 pages long! Morales read me only the first and last pages. 1 We DID NOT LOSE 2 NSA did not win 3 We are not headed for jail I mailed a priority mail copy to you. Without Internet NYA, J Orlin Grabbe, and some really neat journalists the outcome would have far different, I conjecture. Have a good weekend everyone [http://www.wpiran.org/] We are! We GOT TO GET THIS HORRIBLE MESS SETTLED! Cowabunga, Yahoo, allahu akbar, etc. bill and art

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Re: The Usual Suspects (National sales tax)
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From my perspective, one of the most important fallouts from a replacement of the graduated tax with a national sales tax is the removal of much of the current rationale for FinCEN and citizen identification (i.e., SSN). Certainly, it should no longer be required for establishing a non-credit financial institution account, purchasing a money order/cashier's check or wiring money. In fact, you shouldn't need SSN for employment, except that unless you supplied some number (even if psueduanon) you'd forego accruing benefits. The use of SSN for the ID runs the gammut in local, state and federal programs, but is most often justified for purposes of taxation. Now, I'm not naive enough to believe that any of these gov't agencies or private corps are going to willing give up citizen unit IDs, but it will be interesting to see their new rationales for the continued use of SSN (or its replacement) for ID. --Steve --Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- reply to schear - at - lvcm - dot - com --- PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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New restrictions on distributing the SFL
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:24:25 -0700 >To: imc-sfl(a)imc.org >From: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman(a)imc.org> >Subject: New restrictions on distributing the SFL I'm sorry to announce that the source code for the SFL has been removed from the official site. It has been moved to a new site, <http://www.armadillo.huntsville.al.us/software/smime/> that appears to be export-controlled. You need a password to get the software from that site, and the passwords are handed out by the US Department of Defense. I'm personally embarssed that the government of my country enforces such silly laws. I understand that many other countries have similar laws, but that doesn't make me feel any better. I had hoped that the SFL would be the beginning of sensibility on the part of the US government with respect to cryptography distribution; I still have that hope for the future. There are many people on this mailing list who are outside the US, and this change in distribution may prevent you from getting the SFL. If other Web sites appear that contain unofficial versions of the SFL and do not restrict who can download from them, I will be happy to list those on the IMC SFL page at <http://www.imc.org/imc-sfl/>. I would also like to list links to cryptography packages that work with the SFL at our site. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Explaining crypto to people (was Re: A new Swiss banking novel)
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 5 May 1998 18:28:46 -0500 (CDT), Xcott Craver wrote: >Again, my point. Padlocks and safes are *not* under the gun, > so to speak. People will not see crypto regulation as silly > if they keep getting fed bomb and gun analogies. They'd think > it was damned silly if they got padlock and safe analogies. The analogy of crypto = padlock lack something. A padlock can *always* pried open. A court order can always be issued to open it. So Joe Enforcment will be on it's way with it's crowbars, liquid N2, saws and/or torches and do his duty. It will be no loss of time to him. Strong encryption is different. No matter what Joe Enforcment try, the crypto lock won't give away (well, at least, this is what we assume here). Working on it means just one thing: absolute waste of ressources. AFA Joe Enforcement is concerned, a gun has some of the same potentiality: try to force it and you also risk an absolute waste of ressources. From a human standpoint, it might look different, but if you make abstraction of human life (like most dictators do), some of the effects are similar. Ciao jfa Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds (Montreal), Canada Unregistered Firearms in the hands of honest citizens: Liberty's Teeth Strong Cryptographic tools in the hands of honest citizens: Liberty's Voice PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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http://www.jya.com/whp043098.htm
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday 5/8/98 6:25 AM John Young J Orlin Grabbe Sobolewski phoned last night. Sobolewski gave me his opinion. 1 Campos is going to hold in camera ex parte conference with NSA 2 Campos will then award summary judgment to NSA. I told Sobolewski that most of the legal citations in Campos document were not contained in the pleadings. Sobolewski EXCLAIMED, Oh. Sobolewski is particularly good at law. Sobolewskis father was a lawyer and judge both in Poland and Australia. Sobolewski prevailed in an lawsuit spanning the US and Australia - but it still cost him more than $20k TELLING a lawyer what to do. Sobowleski usually beats speeding tickets. Sobolewski uses DISCOVERY to obtain maintenance and calibration records of police radar. And also radar operation training records of the officer who stopped him. The MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER authored by some government lawyers and signed by Campos is clearly a candidate for one of the STUPIDEST and INCOMPETENT legal documents ever written. http://www.jya.com/whp043098.htm Morales and I LOVE IT, of course! This is why we were so happy last Friday. We got another shot at THEM [aka The Great Satan]. Morales is taking the day off from Sandia today. We will finish and file our motion. Then BLAST it out on the Infobahn. I see other good legal advice linked at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ http://www.phrack.com/52/P52-05 Later bill

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