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REJ_ect
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-20-96. NYP Page One: "Cellular Industry Rejects U.S. Plan for Surveillance. Police Want Technology That Pinpoints Wireless Users Within a Half-Second." Markoff. The wireless communications industry voted yesterday to reject Government-backed technology that would make it possible for law enforcement agencies to keep closer tabs on cellular phone users. DoJ wants to be able for the first time to determine the location of a cellular phone caller within a half-second and almost instantly monitor the status of cellular-phone voice mail, conference calls and other wireless communications features. Yesterday's vote by a subcommittee of a network operators and manufacturers group called the Telecommunications Industry Association, came in response to a technical document the F.B.I. has been quietly circulating to industry executives since April. Known as the Electronic Surveillance Interface, the document specifies what wireless communications monitoring data must be accessible to law enforcement officials with a court warrant. ----- http://jya.com/reject.txt (8 kb) REJ_ect

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Re: Re: [NEWS] Crypto-relevant wire clippings
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Adamsc(a)io-online.com Fri Sep 20 01:07:49 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:24:03 EDT for dlv Received: from [206.245.244.5] by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA09924 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:07:49 -0400 Received: from GIGANTE ([206.245.244.204]) by irc.io-online.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 285-17715) with SMTP id AAA186 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:07:13 -0700 From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 22:07:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> X-Mailer: Chris Adams's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 X-Filtered: By PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: [NEWS] Crypto-relevant wire clippings Message-Id: <19960920050709843.AAA186@GIGANTE> You are being gently flamed because. [X] you continued a boring useless stupid thread [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to [x] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads [x] you posted a piece riddled with profanities [ ] you advocated Net censorship [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) [x] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] you threatened others with physical harm [x] you made a bigoted statement(s) [x] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve [x] you repeatedly shown lack of humor [x] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat [?] you are posting an anonymous attack >>> Thank you for the time you have taken to read this. Live n' Learn.<<< # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Cellular Industry rejects US plan for surveillance
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Front page of todays New York Times. "But many industry executives and privacy-rights advocates disagree with the government's interpretation of the [Digital telephony] law. The industry says that the new cellular abilities would be burdensomely expensive to administer...." http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/financial/cellular-phone-monitor.html Login, of course, is cypherpunks, password cypherpunks Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: monkey-wrenching GAK
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:46 PM 9/19/96, Ray Arachelian wrote: >Another thing you can do: generate huge key pairs all day long and submit >them to the NSA. If enough people do this, they will be flooded and >overworked, of course they may ignore them, etc, or make it hard to do >so, but if everyone generates a 4K key every hour or two and discards it, >but gives the key pair to the NSA anyway, they will run out of storage >space, or at least it will make it much much harder for them to figgure >out which key you are using for conversation X. Ah, but what about the _fee_ for registering a key? You really didn't think this would be free, did you? (It costs money to register cars, guns, etc., so why would it be "free" to register a key?) Besides being a revenue enhancement tool, charging a fee stops this sort of flooding attack. (Note: One of my biggest objections to GAK, besides the political/civil rights issue, is what it does to systems which generate lots and lots of keys on an ad hoc, continuing basis. GAK, if enforced, puts a major speed bump in the way and increases costs, possibly making certain kinds of systems infeasible.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: The periodic caveat about Timmy May
by DMiskell＠envirolink.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>attila <attila(a)primenet.com> writes: > >> In <199609190517.HAA00851(a)basement.replay.com>, on 09/19/96 >> at 07:17 AM, nobody(a)flame.alias.net (Anonymous) said: >> >> = .Timmy May habitually digs into his cesspool of a mind for his >> = .mailing list fertilizer. >> >> this is humour. it tickles the imagination, and the reference >> to tim is lost! > >Can we get all this non-crypto-relevant shit off of this mailing list please? > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps Sorry, dear, but complaining isn't going to change it, and simple telling people to shut the fuck up is going to go nowhere. If you want solely crypto relevent material, subscribe to the filtered list. I mean, come on -- you know this list is suseptable (sp?) to noise and spam. Besides, people suggest to me that you are the anonymous mailer. So maybe you should keep a low profile on this. -- If in fact we are the only intelligent life on this planet, why the fuck are we in this goddamn mess? -- Find my public key on the World Wide Web -- point your browser at: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html

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anonymous bacon
by Jonathan Corbet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following, from RISKS, deserves redistribution.... Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:04:47 -0400 From: pcw(a)access.digex.net (Peter Wayner) Subject: Bringing Home the Anonymous Bacon The *Baltimore Sun* reports in its 17 Sep 1996 issue that people in Baltimore are paying for drugs with meat (page A1! [pretty saucy!]). Perhaps this is not yet anonymous digital cash, but certainly anonymous. [Now someone is going to propose keeping a database of all sides of beef, and steganographically watermarking the meat in the context of digitally signed scannable grade-stamps. Perhaps the next step in monitoring the private drug-meat trade would be to escrow the inspectors' private keys, derived from the product of two U.S. Primes, and put the database up on the net: the T-bone connected to the M-bone, etc.? PGN]

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re: Stego inside encryption
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To take this one step further, has anyone tried to ever use this method as an encryption method? You could hide data in a stream of random bits, using position as the encryption method. Obviously, the data would not be stored in packets; rather as single bits strewn throughout the stream. Even ASCII characters could be hidden in such a system very well, as the possibility of choosing the correct 8 bits (extended char set) from the data stream when any combination has equal potential of being the correct sequence would be extremely difficult. Error checking/correcting code could even be used. Using this system, the placement algorithm would be the focus of attack. If an algorithm which has a sufficiently random placement was used, extracting the correct bits would be difficult. Another way to increase the security would be to hide the correct message inside a bitstream created by using the same method on other similar messages. (Hiding a real message inside bogus messages. Hmm... Which one's real?) Patrick _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Mullen Patrick on Thu, Sep 19, 1996 9:19 Subject: Stego inside encryption To: Cypherpunks I know a lot of times the idea behind steganography is to hide the fact that a secret message is in a seemingly normal file/mail/whatever. This is good for avoiding unwanted interest in your file. The benefit of not having people attempt to crack you code, added to the strength of the cryptosystem is wonderful. However, I propose this-- Don't hide that anything's encrypted! Rather than hide this fact, throw it in their face! I propose hiding an encrypted message inside another encrypted message. Set bits in specific places to data in the real message. The benefit is Oscar not only doesn't know what the crypto is, he attacks the wrong message. Hiding statistically random bits from the true message in statistically random bits from the masking message shouldn't be too hard. Granted, this scheme doesn't get you past measures designed to keep out all encrypted messages, and it surely wouldn't keep you message from generating interest, but it would be very hard to decrypt the message, especially when some algorithm is used which (seemingly) randomly selects which bits to use for the stego. Just a thought... My apologies if someone has already proposed this method. Patrick

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Declan McCullagh interview on ISP-TV Monday Night
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: Declan McCullagh Interview *** Monday, Sept. 23 9:00 PM ET Online activist Declan McCullagh runs the Justice on Campus project, is a plaintiff in the ACLU/EFF court challenge to the Communications Decency Act, and maintains the Fight-Censorship mailing list. He also writes for WIRED/HotWired, and recently described the CDA trial to readers of Playboy Magazine. Our chat with Declan will include details of international Internet censorship, his discoveries concerning what some "Safe Surf" products actually protect you from, the difference between "indecent" and "harmful to minors" in new Internet censorship laws, as well as your phoned-in questions. This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.247.33, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://www.digex.net/isptv/members.html See URL http://www.digex.net/isptv for more information about the ISP-TV Network

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Re: ANYONES CREDIT CARD # per your request.
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:03 AM 9/20/96 EDT, Brian Hills wrote: >Thought this would be appropriate to the list >>Unfortunately, this message needs to be propagated to protect all of us. >> >> Note: Lexis-Nexis is only accepting written or fax requests. You can go to their web page (http://www.lexis-nexis.com) click "Just In" and request via email that your name be removed from their database by filling out the form. Problem, of course, is that one doesn't know if one's name and info is in the database unless one is a subscriber and can look it up. I, personally, do not feel comfortable in filling out a form with my personal info and sending it along - 1) for the obvious reasons; and 2) what if I'm not even in their nefarious database? If not, then I've just entered my personal info and sent it on its merry way to whomever and wherever unnecessarily - whether by email, fax, or snail mail. I tried just entering my name, email address, and state but, as anticipated, received a msg that ALL info has to be supplied, so I'll chk with someone I know that has an account to see if my name is there. However, the BIGGEST problem I foresee with this database (and others like it) is that someone eventually is going to hack it - and then watch the fun and games ensue. ********************************************************** Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Survive; http://www.dueprocess.com | - Go to bed." DISCLAIMER: I am not your attorney; you are not my client. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* legal advice. **********************************************************

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CONF/ORG: EXTRO-3 date
by Alexander 'Sasha' Chislenko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We are trying to plan the time for the EXTRO-3 - the Third in the infinite series of Extropian conferences. The tentative dates for EXTRO-3 are now weekends of August 2-3 and August 9-10 of 1997, with a backup plan of July 26-27 weekend. We would like to select the date so that it would not interfere with other conferences, and be convenient for everybody. If you know of any other events of extropian/transhumanist/libertarian/ life-extension/cypherpunk interest planned for one of those weekends, or if you would like to attend and have have personal preferences for one of these days, please send me _private_ mail at sasha1(a)netcom.com (You can find general info on Extropianism at http://www.primenet.com/~maxmore/extropy.htm ) On behalf of the of Extropian Action Team, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alexander Chislenko <sasha1(a)netcom.com> www.lucifer.com/~sasha/home.html Firefly Network, Inc.: <alexc(a)firefly.net> www.ffly.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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