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Re: alt.cypherpunks.ebonics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:16 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Alec wrote: >A friend, who, in the CP tradition requested to remain anonymous, and I were >doing an informal analysis of those subjects/topics which over the past year >generated the most discussion and, by implication, interest on the CP list. >Since the list at that time was reportedly unmoderated, we felt some weight >should be given to members' interests/desires as measured by their posts, >regardless of the applicability to the list topic. > >With the exceptions of AP (oh so clearly way off-topic), Quite to the contrary, AP is NOT "oh so clearly way off-topic." First AP, as I've sketched it uses many of the encryption/digital-signature/verification techniques which are often discussed here and are essentially universally agreed as being on-topic. Secondly, the _PROSPECT_ of AP (or, if you'd like, more generally, the whole field of cryptoanarchy, which disables the State by making it unnecessary and powerless) would be and probably is most of the motivation for the various "let's control encryption" proposals that the US government and others have pushed over the last few years. On the other hand, it is equally clear that while AP is "on-topic," nevertheless it is quite distinctly distasteful to a few people around here who seem to believe that the _political_ and _technical" implications of good encryption can be kept safely separated. It is obvious that you are one of those people. It is equally obvious that you are not honest enough to admit that. So rather than say merely "I don't like it" you try to embellish your claims with "oh so clearly way off-topic." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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7.9 cpm long-distance
by remove＠structuremg.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: alt.cypherpunks.ebonics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:16 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Alec wrote: >A friend, who, in the CP tradition requested to remain anonymous, and I were >doing an informal analysis of those subjects/topics which over the past year >generated the most discussion and, by implication, interest on the CP list. >Since the list at that time was reportedly unmoderated, we felt some weight >should be given to members' interests/desires as measured by their posts, >regardless of the applicability to the list topic. > >With the exceptions of AP (oh so clearly way off-topic), Quite to the contrary, AP is NOT "oh so clearly way off-topic." First AP, as I've sketched it uses many of the encryption/digital-signature/verification techniques which are often discussed here and are essentially universally agreed as being on-topic. Secondly, the _PROSPECT_ of AP (or, if you'd like, more generally, the whole field of cryptoanarchy, which disables the State by making it unnecessary and powerless) would be and probably is most of the motivation for the various "let's control encryption" proposals that the US government and others have pushed over the last few years. On the other hand, it is equally clear that while AP is "on-topic," nevertheless it is quite distinctly distasteful to a few people around here who seem to believe that the _political_ and _technical" implications of good encryption can be kept safely separated. It is obvious that you are one of those people. It is equally obvious that you are not honest enough to admit that. So rather than say merely "I don't like it" you try to embellish your claims with "oh so clearly way off-topic." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Why Digital Video Disks are late to market
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://techweb.cmp.com/eet/news/97/942news/encryp.html To summarize, the Digital Video Disk standard contains an encryption standard for copyright and anti-piracy protection. however, "some U.S. PC and silicon vendors have just about abandoned hope of keeping to their revised launch schedules for DVD-enabled systems." ... as far as anybody knows, "none of the U.S. PC vendors today has a license to use the DVD-decryption algorithm" in software. "We all know the situation; we don't have a license," said Michael Moradzadeh, program manager of Intel's copy-protection task force. A solution may be in the offing within days. Some sources said late last week that Matsushita [who owns license rights] and key U.S. computer companies may resolve the software-licensing issues by the end of this week. The PC industry seeks amendments to the licensing-agreement language that would result in equivalent treatment of software- and hardware-based CSS decryption. ... there apparently has been some speculation among the U.S. PC community that Matsushita may be stonewalling on the software-licensing issue so that it can establish its hardware-based decryption solution in the marketplace. --- Nothing in the article suggests that "national interests" are involved. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Interesting question: how to safely keep passwords online
by Ed.Falk＠Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's a question that's been on my mind lately: Often, you like to keep external passwords stored on your personal computer. As a quick example, Eudora will remember your POP password for you so you don't have to enter it every time. Obviously, Eudora keeps this on disk somewhere. The question is: is there any (relatively) safe way to do this? Obviously, Eudora encrypt the saved password with some secret key, but this key could probably be found by examining the code. A slight improvement would be for Eudora to generate an encryption key on the fly based on some external system state, but this is also susceptible to reverse-engineering. -ed falk

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7.9 cpm long-distance
by remove＠structuremg.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Starway Telecommunications Inc. Announces . . . 7.9 cpm flat rate long-distance period. Anywhere in the US to anywhere in the US for 7.9 cpm, including your own state! Calls to Canada at 9.9! Canada to Canada at 7.9 too! Calling cards - 9.9 cpm! It's unbelievable! Don't worry about switching carriers, you don't need to. Still waiting for the mystical "BLACKBOX" technology? We've got the low rates secure NOW without the box and we will be the first ones with the boxes when they are released! Other companies promise it - we've GOT it NOW!! Contracts have been signed between a major health related network marketing firm called Neways, with 750,000 distributors and grossing $100 million in 1996, and each of the top three long distance carriers, to create Starway Telecommunications Inc. Low international rates will be released later this week! Cellular long-distance rumored to be at 7.9 as well. And cellular service will be available in another month. Pagers and many other services will be available soon! For more information check out my webpage - http://www.structuremg.com/program/starways.htm Sounds like an incredible company, doesn't it? They are! Want to learn how you can profit from this amazing opportunity? Check out the website. We are now accepting applications for distributors. Don't pass up this timelyopportunity. Save money on your long-distance and make some money! Bryant Salus Structure Marketing Group ************************************************************** If you wish to be removed from our future mailings simply reply with "REMOVE" in the subject and place your email address in the body. You must do this correctly to be removed. **************************************************************

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Crypto Law Survey updated
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have just updated my survey of existing and envisaged cryptography laws and regulations. See the Crypto Law Survey at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm This update includes: - New lay-out. Digital signatures replaced to a separate overview. - New entries on Finland (export), Hong Kong (import, export), New Zealand (export), Poland (import) -Update on Australia (government encryption of classified data), Finland (no key-escrow), France (TTP law published), Japan (general position, wiretap law), Netherlands (extend decryption command), OECD (Group of Expert okays guidelines), Scandinavia (secure email system), Switzerland (telecom encryption, export), US (Karn appeal, annual figures report) -Corrections or clarifications on Australia (export, public domain software), Belgium (export), Germany (export), US (Bernstein, NRC report) -URLs changed in France (TTP law), US (Bernstein) Bert-Jaap

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Re: Any more like www.anonymizer.com ??
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:29 pm -0500 on 2/18/97, ! Drive wrote: > A proposal and prototype of a different anonymity mechanism can be found at: > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/projects/onion-routing/overview.html And, of course, you can hear about the next generation from the same bunch, on Monday morning at FC97: Unlinkable Serial Transactions Paul F. Syverson (Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC, USA), Stuart G. Stubblebine (AT&T Labs--Research, Murray Hill, NJ, USA), David M. Goldschlag (Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC, USA) :-). <http://www.offshore.com.ai/fc97/> Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Re: PGP key compromise with multiple independent encryptions of same message?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:27 AM 2/17/97 -0500, David Coe wrote: >If I were to PGP-encrypt the same exact message to a number of >different people, each copy with that person's public key, would >I be making it easy (or easier) for one (or a group) of those >recipients to compromise another recipient's private key? If you're doing it as N separate messages, you're using N separate IDEA session keys; IDEA's strong enough that's no risk, especially since they'll be using separate Initialization Vectors. If you use the multiple-recipient capability, which uses one copy of the message encrypted with one session key, and separate headers with the session key encrypted with each public key. If PGP didn't take precautions to prevent it, there are attacks on RSA which can be used when you encrypt the same message with different RSA keys. However, PGP pads the session key with different random padding for each session-key-encrypted-with-public-key header, so they're different messages, so there's no risk there either. So don't keep worrying about it; use whichever is more convenient. (But it was worth worrying about once. :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Cypherpunks Mailing List (Was: Re: When and where?)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Please post the date when this list will shift to Usenet if that is indeed to >happen. I have not been able to sort out the facts (?) from the speculation, >argument, and gas. There are a variety of approaches being pursued in parallel. You can subscribe to cypherpunks(a)Cyberpass.net by sending mail to majordomo(a)Cyberpass.net with the usual syntax (send it a message body of "help" if you want details.) It should gateway to the other mail servers as they develop. It's currently getting everything from cypherpunks(a)toad.com, which I've no unsubscribed to to avoid getting duplicate copies of everything. If you're one of those people getting one or more copies of the cypherpunks mailing list and you don't want to, find out where your mail is coming from and send mail to majordomo there.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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