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SSL Proxy
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Apparently the folks at LPWA.COM are checking into the possibility of encrypting all sessions between the user and the lpwa-http-proxy (ala SSL) as to prevent line-eavesdropping. At this point, they're just playing with the idea and are trying to figure out exactly how to accomplish that. Maybe we could do some brain-storming and support them with that project... Ciao Harka ... "Use a Cipher - Be Free!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNAeefTltEBIEF0MBAQE0Awf+JkFyHOvmBbymvvMS1eXUaD3M6LAeX6V1 PLJsh8+jbfQeAffiY7jciypgWw+gURRBW6pYzgTl+Qrv/82LzdZDWXX+88o7w6ql YCtefWu46j/eC220n7vpO+CqR2tSlyujaf/V4Np1cwx5B8frM2JYrvjh5rXrtXv0 ck8lg7PYwjRqI8pyTyTZz/ypqx8GX4wawXMT3TPnWpjF0LTamDslHhA3HNLEb7G9 y45QGgW042hH91CXG+aXpQJ6HKK8mAyMTintdB0Y0Qpz6hk9z10JvI1pkgdYh6ap CdCsEcIRZdhG/xLhQ6xL4Ud3x+1ho9OIHbyrhXbrfSFubumLhg4njQ== =E7oZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Patel decision page 32 handled
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Want to help put Judge Patel's decision on the web?
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We tried running it through OCR software and the results were worse than just typing it in. So we're asking for your help. Please pick a random page of the document and type it in as ordinary text. We'll proofread it and fix up the strange characters and such. Mail the result to me (gnu(a)toad.com) and post a one-line note to cypherpunks that says "Patel decision page XX handled". If a few get typed twice, it'll be useful for proofreading anyway. The document is on the Web at http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/970825_decision.im… We reworked the original fuzzy images so they're much easier to read now. But that's still no substitute for real, searchable, small, ordinary text. Please type it like this: * Break the lines in the same place as in the original text. * That funny "S-like" squiggle translates as "Sec." (for section). * That funny "P-like" squiggle translates as "Para." (for paragraph). * Any other stuff you don't understand, do your best, then add "XXX", which we'll search for and fix up. Thanks to everyone who helps! John

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Government Conspiracy
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C. Mayflower sexually molests little children, farm animals, and inanimate objects. < > < > V )_.._( V Timmy C. Mayflower \\ <____> // ~ <______> ~ > /~\______/~\ // /~\_____/~\ /_\ /~\____/~\ /_\ /~\___/\~\ _/_\/ \___/\__/__\/ \___/__\/ There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Re: cryptography eliminates lawyers?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> > Telecoms will certainly break the professional >> > monopoly of lawyers (and other professionals). >> This I don't. How do you mean exactly? >Licensing requires the ability to outlaw unlicensed transactions. >Since the Net trumps censorship and allows consultations at a >distance, it cracks licensing, It does reduce the ability of geographical organizations to restrict who does business there, so markets will probably force some shakeups in jurisdictions. But lawyer work seems to mostly involve either contracts or courts - as long as courts are still run by governments, they can restrict who gets to practice in them, and who's allowed to write paper that they'll judge disputes about. Crypto _could_ be used for a modern version of the Stamp Tax - documents might need to be digitally signed by Certified Lawyers (though of course that may be lawyers putting their stamps on work mostly done by clerks.) Crypto may make it easier to resolve some kinds of disputes, by identifying who did what when, but the net isn't going to make the number of disputes decrease.... #--- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # Phone +1-510-247-0664 Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 #---

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Re: ECPA (Was: University logging mail to anon.penet.fi)
by keelings＠wu1.wl.aecl.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Incoming from Jim Ray: > "Josh M. Osborne" <stripes(a)va.pubnix.com> writes: > > >down somewhat, in a very libertarian society oyu might be able to > >run a profatable ISP selling to the very nich market of people who > >want to threten, harass, or generally make a nuicence of themselves). > > As the list's designated "very libertarian" advocate, I must object. > Here is what you must sign to become a member of the Libertarian Party: And here, I must object (sorry Perry; I'll be brief). Whatever do the workings of an hypothetical "libertarian" society have to do with the "Libertarian Party"? Certainly, it would be nice if the latter were working towards the former, but the two are not the same. I know of quite a few `l'ibertarians who strongly object to the `L'ibertarian Party pledge. -- "Remember, obsolescence (Win95) isn't an accident; it's an art form!" keelings(a)wu1.wl.aecl.ca s. keeling, aecl - whiteshell labs

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Re: GAK
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 13:09:03 -0800 >From: cman(a)communities.com (Douglas Barnes) > >One good (non-cypherpunk) argument against GAK is that it >concentrates a very large quantity of valuable keys in a few >places, where they become an extremely attractive target for >government or corporate espionage. [...] >Note that a few million keys would fit very easily on even a >low-end DAT tape (easily hidden in a pack of cigarettes). The same danger happens with the TIS DRC (see the company web page), even though there is no key escrow in the TIS system. Instead, the emergency access field (Data Recovery Field (DRF)) is stored with the file -- but the key which encrypts it is the public key of the Data Recovery Center (DRC). If too much attractive stuff is available by loss of any one public key, that key gets attacked. To compensate for this, the TIS DRC generates new public keys periodically to give out to new (or old) customers. However, a government warrant which demands the DRC's private key collection would gain quite a harvest. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)tis.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme/home.html| |Trusted Information Systems, Inc. http://www.tis.com/ | |3060 Washington Road PGP 2.6.2: 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2| |Glenwood MD 21738 Tel:(301)854-6889 FAX:(301)854-5363 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Shrinks as Narcs for the State
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 8/30/97 12:00 PM, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM (dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com) passed this wisdom: >Can the priest be prosecuted for not telling the cops about the confession? Unless something has radically changed the sanctity of the Catholic confessional has never been breeched involuntarily ... i.e.,I do not believe that any court has ever successfully compelled a priest to divulge what he has heard in the confessional. Of course a problem lies in the construction of the question ... its easier to want to try to breech the confessional when you speak of a guy talking about killing a hundred people as opposed to a guy talking about stealing a candy bar. In various ethics discussions on this subject over the years it usually seems to comes down to the fact that morally the priest is bound to try to do something to stop the carnage without divulging what he was told. Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "When I die, please cast my ashes upon Bill Gates. For once, let him clean up after me! " - Christian Worley

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Re: Key Escrow Papers
by cme＠acm.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:55:49 -0400 > Note 1: It was Michael Nelson of the White House who said > that the reason to maintain the 64-bit limit for export was > because the key escrow methodology had not yet been proven > reliable and that the security agencies insisted on the > relatively weak system in case key escrow failed. Clint Brooks of NSA repeated this assertion, at least once. He said it during the August 17, 1995 meeting as well. I find this interesting, not least as a violation of security. This amounts to an open declaration that NSA can break through 64-bit keys. Could it be that NSA was miffed at being upstaged in the announcement of breaking through a 40-bit key and wanted to up the ante? .... :-) - Carl +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme/home.html | |PGP: E0414C79B5AF36750217BC1A57386478 & 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | | ``Officer, officer, arrest that man! He's whistling a dirty song.'' | +----------------------------------------------------------- Jean Ellison -+

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