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Re: HACKERS: Crypto Session Being Planned
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Whoops! I've already gotten half a dozen messages similar to this one: > > The Hackers Conference is coming up in early November at Lake Tahoe. > > Many of you will be attending. > > Can you send more info about this? First time I've heard of it...thanks! Let me clarify something: the Hackers Conference is an invitational event, for better or for worse. The best way to get an invitation is to do something "hackerish" that gets you noticed. I don't necessarily mean hackerish in the breaking-and-entering vein, either. The Hackers Conference began in 1984, sponsored initially by Steward Brand and others, and presumably based partly on the Steven Levy book "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution." (Levy has attended in some years, and you may also recall he wrote the excellent "Wired" article on crypto and "Crypto Rebels"--us.) For the first several years it was in a rustic jewish boy's camp in the Santa Cruz Mountains, above Saratoga, where we slept (if we slept...) 10 to a room in either unheated or overheated cabins. In 1990 it moved to luxurious digs at the Granlibakken Lodge at Lake Tahoe, where we get ski lodge-type rooms (it's before skiing season starts, though, but this also holds the cost down somewhat). The Conference lasts for about 48 hours, from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, and many people stay up the entire time. Lots of interesting people, guest speakers, all-night hacking sessions, machine room demos, "work in progress," etc. At the 1987 Conference, John Walker of Autodesk met Ted Nelson, Roger Gregory, and others and the funding of Xanadu and AMIX commenced. Many interesting business contacts have been made at Hackers, especially in areas of VR and multimedia. "Prose hackers" also show up. Vernor Vinge has attended, as has Marc Stiegler. Jerry Pournelle is a regular. Too many people to mention. (BTW, Vernor was very interested in the public key crypto implications when he attended in 1989...I wonder if the P-K references in his Hugo-winning novel "A Fire Upon the Deep" were affected by our discussions?) My first Hackers was in 1988, shortly after the "Crypto '88" conference, where I described my "crypto anarchy" ideas to some folks....probably this is partly why I got invited that year. I gave a talk on public key crypto, along with John Gilmore, at the 1990 session. The next year Eric Hughes (whom I had just met a few months earlier) talked about digital money and the Chaum stuff. And last year I was asked to lead a main session on crypto (I was slightly infamous at the time for having written the "A Trial Balloon to Ban Encryption?" piece in sci.crypt, which alerted many readers to the "key escrow" ideas of Dorothy Denning, which presaged the "Clipper" proposal six months later). At that session we had several speakers, including Stu Haber on digital time-stamping, Eric Hughes on digital money, John Gilmore on EFF and FOIA-type activites, and so on. The EFF activities are always a big deal at Hackers, what with Mitch Kapor often attending and so forth. Mike Godwin is our "legal hacker," so to speak (aren't all lawyers hacks?), and he'll be at this year's Hackers. Well, that's enough of a summary. The best way to get invited is to do something that brings you to the attention of the attendees, as every year they ask us to make nominations. Yes, there are many of you out there who are better hackers than many of us who (somehow) got on the invite list. That's life, I guess. Don't take it too seriously. --Tim -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.

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Monthly Bay Area cypherpunks meeting
by hughes＠ah.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ANNOUNCEMENT ============ What: October monthly cypherpunks meeting When: Saturday, October 10, 1993 12:00 noon - 6:00 p.m. Where: Cygnus Support offices, Mountain View, California (directions below) The Bay Area cypherpunks meeting is the second Saturday of the month, every month, at the Cygnus Support offices. All are welcome and encouraged to attend. Agenda ------ Here's what I know about for Saturday's meeting: -- Norm Hardy on Harvest -- Arthur Abraham on the DES cracking machine -- a presentation either on electronic voting or copyright (TBA) -- a report on the Austin-EFF cryptography conference -- the usual reports from the attendees Directions ---------- [Directions to Cygnus provided by John Gilmore. -- EH] Cygnus Support 1937 Landings Drive Mt. View, CA 94043 +1 415 903 1400 switchboard +1 415 903 1418 John Gilmore Take US 101 toward Mt. View. From San Francisco, it's about a 40-minute drive. Get off at the Rengstorff Ave/Amphitheatre Parkway exit. If you were heading south on 101, you curve around to the right, cross over the freeway, and get to a stoplight. If you were heading north on 101, you just come right off the exit to the stoplight. The light is the intersection of Amphitheatre and Charleston Rd. Take a right on Charleston; there's a right-turn-only lane. Follow Charleston for a short distance. You'll pass the Metaphor/Kaleida buildings on the right. At a clump of palm trees and a "Landmark Deli" sign, take a right into Landings Drive. At the end of the road, turn left into the complex with the big concrete "Landmark" sign. Follow the road past the deli til you are in front of the clock tower that rises out of one of the buildings, facing you. Enter through the doors immediately under the clock tower. They'll be open between noon and 1PM at least. (See below if you're late.) Once inside, take the stairs up, immediately to your right. At the top of the stairs, turn right past the treetops, and we'll be in 1937 on your left. The door is marked "Cygnus". If you are late and the door under the clock tower is locked, you can walk to the deli (which will be around the building on your left, as you face the door). Go through the gate in the fence to the right of the deli, and into the back lawns between the complex and the farm behind it. Walk forward and right around the buildings until you see a satellite dish in the lawn. Go up the stairs next to the dish, which are the back stairs into the Cygnus office space. We'll prop the door (or you can bang on it if we forget). Or, you can find the guard who's wandering around the complex, who knows there's a meeting happening and will let you in. They can be beeped at 965 5250, though you'll have trouble finding a phone. Don't forget to eat first, or bring food at noon! I recommend hitting the burrito place on Rengstorff (La Costen~a) at about 11:45. To get there, when you get off 101, take Rengstorff (toward the hills) rather than Amphitheatre (toward the bay). Follow it about ten blocks until the major intersection at Middlefield Road. La Costen~a is the store on your left at the corner. You can turn left into the narrow lane behind the store, which leads to a parking lot, and enter by the front door, which faces the intersection. To get to the meeting from there, just retrace your route on Rengstorff, go straight over the freeway, and turn right at the stoplight onto Charleston; see above. See you there! John Gilmore

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Hackers Conf discussions
by crunch＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: Hackers Conf, Tim says.. >I'd like to hear any ideas you folks may have, whether or not you'll >be attending. And also any volunteers to talk (briefly!) or be on a >panel discussion, depending on what structure we follow. Yes!! I would like to participate in this discussion, as I am now in position where I have ability to communicate with thousands of young ravers and PGP wannabes and soon I'm going to want to communicate with these folks on several issues: ** Getting LOTS of people to use PGP ** Voter registration and political actions such as letter writing to local representitives, etc. ** Other actions where large masses of people can make SOME influence on our officials.

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Re: PGP in Fidonet
by msattler＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:46 PM 93/10/06 -0400, Mike Godwin wrote: >As for programmer jokes, did you hear about the programmer who could never >get out of the shower? No, I hate to admit. How does it go? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael S. Sattler msattler(a)netcom.com +1 (415) 358-3058 Digital Jungle Software Encrypt now; ask me how. (finger for PGP key) Evil will certainly triumph if good people do nothing at all.

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Marshall McLuhan and encryption...
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Nick's a big shot at Wired magazine. So it should be no surprise > to learn that Wired attacked cypherpunks in its 01 96 issue. In > a fake interview with "Wired's patron saint," Marshall McLuhan is > made to say (p 130): > > Concerns about privacy and anonymity are outdated. Cypherpunks > think they are rebels with a cause, but they are really senti- > mentalists. Well, maybe McL. would have spit such nonsense, very characteristical of him. "The media is the message" is among the biggests con jobs performed on humanity. It's like having a guy dying form thirst and telling him: "The pipe is the beverage"... One fine example of the destruction of reason. If a PGP encrypted message was sent to Mr.McLuhan, could he see if it is a "there is a contract on you..." or "happy new year" or "I love you..." To any Cypherpunks, the media *IS NOT* the message! Dear Wired peoples and Mr. McLuhan: get lost! > The era of politics based on private identities, anonymous indi- > viduals, and independent citizens began with the French Revolution > and Napoleon's armies...and ended with Hitler.... The cypherpunks > are still marching to the same martial music. He is partially right. With Renaissance, came the idea that Reason and human mind were powerfull and that knowledge, because man's only survival tool is reason, is a value to pursue. But french revolution did not convey theses ideas, neither did Napoleon. And Hitler definitely not. All of the three were, ultimately, collectivists or looters. Therefore, the author of the text is guilty of setting up straw man and of context blanking. JFA Reality Is. Existence exists. Words have a precise meaning. $

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attila sez
by paralax＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:49:57 +0000 (GMT) a> attila sez: a> It is not whether paralax does not know shit from beans, but that a> he proves to all that he would prefer to censor TCMay and James A. a> Donald than listen to their opinions, despite the fact he posted his a> own rather trivial and absurd point. a> political correctness and the liberal news intrepretations of "all I seek to censor no one. I prefer to confront racisim whenever and wherever I see (read) it. Mr. May embarassed himself with his denigrating application of the word "Jap" to describe the Japanese people after demonstrating a gross lack of knowledge and sensitivity about Jews. It is NOT a matter of "political correctness" unless YOU and Mr. May believe refraining from addressing an African-American as a nigger the moral equivalent of sucumbing to "politcal correctness". a> with this, I suppose I have been entered upon your "list" of a> enemies of the 'statist' nation along with TCMay and James A. Donald, All three of you would be flattering yourselves if any of you thought you made anybody's list. A. Paralax View

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Re: on the cypherpunks mailing list & me
by catalyst＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Though I am loathe to add social commentary, I am responding on the list to "L. Detweiler's" missive, rather than in private mail, because I don't think any one person is the problem (in fact, I think every one person is the problem). -- the caveat of individualism -- The battle for privacy is an inherently _personal_ one. Individuals seek it. Communities seek to withhold it. On one side is a cooperating organism with psychological machinery sharpened by a millenia of evolution: machinery that keeps the organism together -- and forces it to attack those qualities of individuals not conducive to its own survival. On the other side is a loose collection of individuals whose 'unifying' quality is that, for one reason or another, they desire to keep their privacy. Individuals will always find it difficult to 'hang together', particularly for the purpose of 'hanging apart'. We have graduated from citizenship to adulthood. Instinct no longer suffices for cooperation; it now requires volition. We who seek the reigns, it turns out, must also wear the yoke. -- to "L. Detweiler" -- Don't leave the list. Without doubt, you are a voluminous poster. It heartens me to see such effort, even while it pains me to wade through it. You provide insight, perspective, and data. However, you could make your input incalculably more valuable by honing some of your posts. There are ideas that _need_ many words to express, others only _want_ many words. Compression takes energy. Succinct writing is difficult; but worthwile. In my humble opinion, the only person on this list who has _never_ used more words than required is Eric Hughes. (In fact, the very post you are reading embarasses me with its length, considering its moral). -- my perfect world -- Long ago I read a story about a utopian society. So long ago, in fact, that all the details have faded save this -- central to their society was their law, comprising but two directives: 1. Don't annoy other people too much. 2. Don't be too easily annoyed. It may sound obsequious, but (when I remember) I try to live by these rules. -- summary -- Because, energy is lost in transmission, it is practical to treat others with _more_ consideration than you would be willing to accept from them. A mailing list is not a conversation. Posters owe readers the respect of polished expression. Readers owe posters respect for effort expended, but note that it is harder to post something cogent and succint than it is to type in a page of thoughts and press 'send'. You could sift a ton of coal dust by hand and not find the diamond that it could have become, were it squeezed down to its essence. Scott Collins | "Few people realize what tremendous power there | is in one of these things." -- Willy Wonka ......................|................................................ BUSINESS. voice:408.862.0540 fax:974.6094 collins(a)newton.apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. 5 Infinite Loop, MS 305-2B Cupertino, CA 95014 ....................................................................... PERSONAL. voice/fax:408.257.1746 1024:669687 catalyst(a)netcom.com

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by Sergey Bobok 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Home/Officeland Defense
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to DT http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1998/0713/fcw-newscyber-7-13-98.html The Defense Department plans to create a new military organization to spearhead DOD's effort to protect the nation's critical computer systems against information warfare attacks, marking the first time DOD has taken responsibility for protecting infrastructure within the United States. ... The Pentagon also is considering the formation of a reserve cadre of "cyberdefense warriors," who would have hands-on responsibility for protecting the nation's sensitive information networks and systems from information warfare attacks. According to an industry source familiar with the project, about 300 Ph.D.-carrying reservists would work from home computers that would be tied into high-speed communications links. DOD has budgeted $10 million to jump-start the effort, the source said. ...

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17 Dec '03

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