Though I am loathe to add social commentary, I am responding on the list to "L. Detweiler's" missive, rather than in private mail, because I don't think any one person is the problem (in fact, I think every one person is the problem). -- the caveat of individualism -- The battle for privacy is an inherently _personal_ one. Individuals seek it. Communities seek to withhold it. On one side is a cooperating organism with psychological machinery sharpened by a millenia of evolution: machinery that keeps the organism together -- and forces it to attack those qualities of individuals not conducive to its own survival. On the other side is a loose collection of individuals whose 'unifying' quality is that, for one reason or another, they desire to keep their privacy. Individuals will always find it difficult to 'hang together', particularly for the purpose of 'hanging apart'. We have graduated from citizenship to adulthood. Instinct no longer suffices for cooperation; it now requires volition. We who seek the reigns, it turns out, must also wear the yoke. -- to "L. Detweiler" -- Don't leave the list. Without doubt, you are a voluminous poster. It heartens me to see such effort, even while it pains me to wade through it. You provide insight, perspective, and data. However, you could make your input incalculably more valuable by honing some of your posts. There are ideas that _need_ many words to express, others only _want_ many words. Compression takes energy. Succinct writing is difficult; but worthwile. In my humble opinion, the only person on this list who has _never_ used more words than required is Eric Hughes. (In fact, the very post you are reading embarasses me with its length, considering its moral). -- my perfect world -- Long ago I read a story about a utopian society. So long ago, in fact, that all the details have faded save this -- central to their society was their law, comprising but two directives: 1. Don't annoy other people too much. 2. Don't be too easily annoyed. It may sound obsequious, but (when I remember) I try to live by these rules. -- summary -- Because, energy is lost in transmission, it is practical to treat others with _more_ consideration than you would be willing to accept from them. A mailing list is not a conversation. Posters owe readers the respect of polished expression. Readers owe posters respect for effort expended, but note that it is harder to post something cogent and succint than it is to type in a page of thoughts and press 'send'. You could sift a ton of coal dust by hand and not find the diamond that it could have become, were it squeezed down to its essence. Scott Collins | "Few people realize what tremendous power there | is in one of these things." -- Willy Wonka ......................|................................................ BUSINESS. voice:408.862.0540 fax:974.6094 collins@newton.apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. 5 Infinite Loop, MS 305-2B Cupertino, CA 95014 ....................................................................... PERSONAL. voice/fax:408.257.1746 1024:669687 catalyst@netcom.com