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Re: Why DES in IPSEC ESP?
by Marc Horowitz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> | Why was (single) DES chosen as the algorithm for the ESP part of IPSEC? Because people were going completely nuts about mandating something not easily specifiable at all. DES was an easier case to make than 3DES. >> So, in order to ship sooner rather than later, DES was chosen. >> 3DES will probably be available soon afterwards. Shipping is irrelevant. Perry is busily coding 3DES support into NetBSD. Once it's in the bsd network stack, it will spread everywhere. Presumably, someone will implement it outside the US as well. As Perry put it succinctly at a recent IETF meeting, people will not necessarily use what is mandated. They will use what is available. If 3DES is in the freely available reference implementation (which it will be), and it performs adequately, that is what will get used. Marc

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Re: THE JEWS (ALL of them!) Try to kick Ernst Zundel off Usenet!!
by ErnstZundl＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> if he's out there convincing Neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers >> to go freeze to death at the South pole, as that really >> anti-semitic? DUH!! Nobody is going to freeze to death if they dress warmly. That is just a myth about Antarctica. It is really a tropical paradise, but THE JEWS don't want you to know that. Besides, we will all be going *inside* a VOLCANO! Even if somehow Antarctica were freezing cold, we will be plenty warm inside the volcano which leads to the Aryan Nazi UFO Base at the center of the Earth. I am not asking Nazis and Holocaust deniers to freeze to death! I am inviting them to jump into a volcano, you fool!

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Re: enquiry
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:11 PM 2/4/96, Sean Gabb wrote: >Is anyone out there able to give me the e-mail address of > > Smith Micro Software, Inc > 51 Columbia > Aliso Veijo > California 92656 > >I need to ask about some software written by them. Any help would leave >me very grateful. Use the Force, Luke! Smith Micro Software, Inc 51 Columbia Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 Phones: Main - (714) 362-5800, Sales - (800) 964-7674, Technical Support - (714) 362-2350, Fax - (714) 362-2300, Automated Fax-On-Demand - (714) 362-2396, BBS: (714) 362-5822 EMail: CompuServe - 74431,1044; Internet - sales(a)smithmicro.com --Tim [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and do em right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should do him." So the two daughters got him drunk and did him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got em pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he whacked off first....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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Re: cypherpunks-d V2 #480
by gibo＠ripco.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Cecelia A Clancy <cacst9+(a)pitt.edu> >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:06:32 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Re: THE JEWS (ALL of them!) Try to kick Ernst Zundel off Usenet!! > >On Sat, 3 Feb 1996 ErnstZundl(a)aol.com wrote: > >Ernst Zu"ndel's e-mail address is ezundel(a)cts.com. He is on on >AOL to me knowledge. [snip] >The above text does not feel like Zu"ndel to me. I think >that this ErnstZundel(a)aol.com might very well be an imposter. >The above is not the real Zu"ndel's speaking or writing >style. Zu"ndel does not want books burned and people persecuted >nor does he want certain races and ethnic groups declared >inferior. <amazement gaze="slackjawed"> My God, you're kidding! The Zundel post might have been a JOKE?! But I believed every word of it! </amazement> =========================================>>>http://pages.ripco.com/~gibo "Tree-borne kettle-girl...I love you." -- from Ranma 1/2

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IRS intimidation of Cypherpunks
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 at 08:12:31 -0600 Human Gus-Peter wrote: >>> We should not let distaste/disgust for Jim's ideas and >>> tactics blind us to the important legal and constitutional >>> questions lurking beneath the surface of this investigation >>> and prosecution - there's some possibility that the IRS >>> used its investigation of Jim as a threat to other prolific >>> authors on the Internet. > The government's armed assault on Ma and Pa Bell's > residence took place within hours of an email being sent > to him containing a rough draft of a chapter of an InterNet > published manuscript describing and lauding Bell's AP system. >>> For example, copies of the press release announcing the >>> raid on Jim's home were mailed, apparently from computer >>> systems inside the IRS, to individuals active on the >>> Cypherpunks list. The IRS has never before (or since) >>> bothered to notify those individuals about criminal >>> investigations which might otherwise be of interest. > It is interesting to note that the emails from > treasury.gov constituted the same type of 'threat' that > Bell was roundly accused of by government officials and > the press. I've seen brief mention of this before, but have never seen any details on the list. Aside from Jim Choate questioning my arithmetic or attention span, would anyone be kind enough to provide pointers to information about incidents of c-p list members having received unsolicited email from .gov? Declan, did you catch a whiff of this when it happened? I would think everyone's alarm bells would have gone off and people would have been intensely interested in the messages themselves, particularly the headers. StringPullMongerII

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Christmas greetings from Pauline Hanson
by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Pauline Hanson's One Nation Supporter in NSW, 1997 has been an eventful year in Australian politics. 1997 will be remembered as the year when Australians at last said that they had had enough. Enough of the lies and deception churned out by the major political parties. 1997 will be remembered as the year that Pauline Hanson's One Nation grew from a fledgling party launched in April to a major political force with a branch network of over 200 branches. A quite remarkable achievement. An achievement which could not have been realised without the dedication and commitment of national director David Ettridge and his Manly office team. 1997 will be remembered as a year of intimidation. Intimidation by well-organised protesters with strong links to the Australian Labor Party. The violence of these protesters against the Australian way of life - giving everyone a 'fair-go' and the media's blatantly biased reporting against One Nation failed to destroy the will and desire of the people to support me. 1997 will be remembered as the year in which a few tried to cause a split in the One Nation party. They knew that the media would report anything negative about the party. And they did. No matter that in all cases it was just a handful of troublemakers who tried to hijack the party for their own political gain. They failed. Today One Nation is more than just a phenomenon it is a real living party. It is made up of people like you and me. It is part of the political fabric in Australia. Looking ahead we will face many challenges together. We must continue to fight for equality for all Australians. We must continue to fight to protect our country from becoming a slave to the multinationals and international bodies. During this Christmas break we all have the opportunity to look back and see what we have achieved and to look forward to see what has still got to be done in the coming years. I wish you and your family all the best over Christmas and the New Year. God bless and may all your dreams come true. Pauline Hanson

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Clinton announces NEW GVT PROGRAMS to develop technology
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WASHINGTON (AP) - Honoring 14 American scientists' "passion for discovery," President Clinton today announced $96 million in new government-assisted programs to develop chip-sized supercomputers, hand-held video phones and radio-transmitting ID cards to locate lost children. "Who knows what will be known in only 25 years," Clinton marveled, pointing to recent innovations on the Internet and human genome research. "We must rise to master the forces of change and progress as we move forward." The $96 million already provided by Congress for this budget year, combined with industry funds, would leverage roughly $200 million for research and development, Clinton said. "The discoveries of tomorrow will be made possible by the scientists of today and by our continued commitment to their passionate quest," Clinton said. The Defense Department and semiconductor industry are teaming up to pay for long-term university projects meant to eventually allow U.S. companies to manufacture fingernail-sized silicon chips containing billions of transistors. A Commerce Department initiative offers, through competitions, funds to small companies working on breakthroughs in areas such as portable video communications, radio transmitters to keep track of children and affordable DNA diagnostics. [...]

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PERRY METZGER: YOUR MOMMY IS CALLING YOU HOME
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm tired of Perry. he's always ranting and stirring the shit. he's always setting himself up as the savior of the list signal. what the hell has he really written? oh, the poor bastard has holed himself in his apartment to write crypto code or the world is going to die tomorrow. thank you, mr. Jesus Christ, Nailed to a Cybercross. WHY HATH WE FORSAKEN HIM??? oh, I can see the blood oozing from the gaping flesh wounds. poor Perry, having to bear this horrible cross while everyone else stands around and gawks and remarks about Foster conspiracy theories... yes, we are being utterly inconsiderate of his splendor and selflessness. has anyone seen Mathew, Mark, John, or Luke around??? Perry has something to say to them. oh, and Perry has become Mr. Cyberlobbyist. yes, just what we NEED, is another person to be sucked up and ground up in the oozing washington slime regurgitator. well, if it would swallow him up and never spit him out, perhaps we should encourage him in his newfound political passions. I have seen an awful lot of noise on the list, and I'm pretty f***ing amazed at how much of it is due to PM and his BLACKBOARD FINGERNAIL SCREECHING. he's worse than detweiler. actually, I think he may be a detweiler tentacle. he's certainly doing a fantastic impression of it. mr. holier than thou Protector of the Cypherpunks. perry, just go stay in your dark apartment and write your code. we'll be happy to hear from you in a year when you have all your little tinkertoy prototypes put together with threads and bubblegum. TCM is not the first person you have violated by posting private mail. you are the lowest cypherscum for violating privacy, perry. you know that if anything is sacred to cypherpunks, it is Tim May and privacy, and frankly I think you have been doing just a little to much pissing on both of them lately. oh, violate Tim May's privacy? well, stab two sacred cows with one bazooka, why don't you, you little bastard... do we have any need for you? maybe tim may is a weenie, but I'd rather have a weenie around then YOU, and I think virtually EVERYONE HERE concurs on that point... why don't you take a vacation from the list? TCM has the guts to do this, and has done so in the past. but you are just a bloated buffoon who cannot tell when he is not wanted somewhere even as people spit in your face. hee, hee, reminds me of someone else I know. but frankly, perry, I don't think you have the balls to go away. if you are a real programmer, and all the real programmers have left, what does that make you? stupid, I'd say. we would not miss you one whit if you left, Perry. in fact I think it's safe to say that we'd be quite delighted if you would take your constant shit-stirring somewhere else and get a life. TCM may have a pathetic excuse for a hobby, but you have a pathetic excuse for a LIFE. I know you personally Perry, and you couldn't conduct yourself in a meeting of civilized people if you had your tongue chopped off, and I think there's plenty of meetings you've been to when your peers were wishing exactly that.... xxxxxxooooo <- hugs and kisses, darling perry puppy

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Re: FV's blatant double standards
by simsong＠vineyard.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:18 AM 1/31/96, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: >FV demonstrated, through it's "card sharp" or whatever, that >real-time transactions are vulnerable to sniffers on the recipient's >own machine. Of course. We all knew that. But the mistake is to >assume that FV isn't _equally_ vulnerable to that threat. If you >can write a trojan that will somehow get privileged access to my >machine, trap my keystrokes, and identify my credit card number, >you can certainly write one that will, sitting on my machine: > "intercept the user's electronic mail, read the confirmation > message from First Virtual's computers, and send out a fraudulent > reply" >(to quote from Simson's article). Simson further quotes FV's Lee >Stein: "A single user can be targeted, Stein said, but ''it is very >difficult. . . . There are too many packets moving . . . to too many >different machines.''" - which is of course equally true for real-time >Netscape transactions. Oh, I think that such a program can be written. However, it would be much harder to get right, considering all of the different ways that people read e-mail. ============= Simson's Schedule: Feb 2 - Feb 5 - Cambridge: Conference on Freely Redistributable Software Feb 7 - Feb 13 - Baltimore: American Association for the Advancement of Science. Feb. 28 - March 1 - Seybold, Boston. March 23 - NYC. MacFair. March 27 - March 30: Cambridge. Computers, Freedom and Privacy.

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