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by harry's panix mail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SOrry. Not an intentional spam.... but rather a software bug. It has been stoped. Harry Hawk Ray Cromwell > > Please stop this spam addressed to cypherpunks(a)toad.com, now. > > Sincerely, > > Declan > > > ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- > > X-Andrew-WideReply: internet.cypherpunks > X-Added: With Flames (listbb v2.2) > Return-path: <owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com> > X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail > Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for > arpalists+cypherpunks(a)andrew.cmu.edu (->listbb+cypherpunks) > ID </afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/listbb/Mailbox/0lDXLUK00UdaMX8U4g>; > Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:03:29 -0500 (EST) > Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by > po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08989 for > <arpalists+cypherpunks(a)andrew.cmu.edu>; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:03:25 -0500 > Received: from toad.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP > id QQafxy03661; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:36:29 -0500 (EST) > Received: by toad.com id AA09621; Wed, 6 Mar 96 16:36:07 PST > Received: from waterville.warwick.com by toad.com id AA09600; Wed, 6 Mar > 96 16:35:57 PST > Received: from cmyk.warwick.com by waterville.warwick.com > id VAA08365 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:52:33 -0800 > Received: by cmyk.warwick.com > id TAA21695 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:30:02 -0500 > Received: from GATEWAY by cmyk.warwick.com with netnews > for cypherpunks(a)toad.com (cypherpunks(a)toad.com) > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:01:36 GMT > Message-Id: <DnvEqp.8yM(a)pwa.acusd.edu> > Organization: The Fractal Images Company > Content-Type: text/html > From: > uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pwa > .acusd.edu!news(a)warwick.com > Subject: test > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > > Test > --- > Robert Uomini > The Fractal Images Company (http://www.fractals.com) > Voice: 510-528-0258/800-548-0258 > Fax: 510-528-0243 > ******************************************************************************* > * Buying or selling a home? Come visit the most comprehensive set of * > * residential real estate listings and related services on the Internet: * > * The FractalNet Real Estate Server, http://www.fractals.com/realestate.html * > ******************************************************************************* > ---------- > X-Fractalimgs-Data-Name: sample.html > X-Fractalimgs-Content-Length: 1255 > > <html> > <head> > <title>FractalNet Home Page</title> > </head> > > <body> > <p> > This is a test of WebReader. This line should appear as text in the font > chosen by the user, as defined in the Properties file. A horizontal rule > follows: > <hr> > <h1>FractalNet Advertisers</h1> > <hr> > <ul> > <li>Unordered item #1 > <li>Unordered item #2 > <li>Unordered item #3 > <li>Unordered item #4 > </ul> > <ol> > <li>Ordered item #1 > <li>Ordered item #2 > <li>Ordered item #3 > <li>Ordered item #4 > </ol> > <ol> > <li>Ordered item #5 > <li>Ordered item #6 > <li>Ordered item #7 > <li>Ordered item #8 > </ol> > <hr> > <h2>FTP icon</h2> > <blockquote> > Swearest thou, ungracious boy? Henceforth, ne'er look upon me. There is > a devil haunts thee in the likeness of an old, fat man. A tun of man is > thy companion. Wherein is he neat and cleanly, but to carve a capon and > to eat it? Wherein is he cunning, but in craft? Wherein is he crafty, > but in villainy? Wherein is he villainous, but in all things? Wherein is > he worthy, but in nothing? > </blockquote> > <hr> > <address> > Bob > <br> > Bob's address > <br> > </address> > <dl> > <dt>Term 1: > <dd>This is the first definition > <dt>Term 2: > <dd>This is the second definition > <dt>Term 3: > <dd>This is the third definition > </dl> > </body> > </html> > > > >

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Re: Jump Start ecash With IPhone
by clarissa_wong＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> mentioned: > The big problem with this is that net phones can be subject to > delay & drop out, and I don't want to deal with that when I'm talking > on the phone. Adam, Yes, and that's good news. We can claim, while we are building up our infrastructure, that we have a low-quality service that cannot compete with the current LD carriers. Meanwhile, several companies and committed enthusiasts are solving IPhone's technological problems. Also, ATM and other high-bandwidth technologies that the LD carriers are deploying can bring them profits when IPhone users request the _fast_ Internet. But the real money is in the billing system. And an efficient, decentralized ecash infrastructure will change the world. A cheap telephone-to-telephone long distance and international voice service, which people do want to buy, could provide the cash flow to jump start it. CW

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by cmyk.warwick.com!not-for-mail＠warwick.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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re: io.com & SurfWatch
by m5＠dev.tivoli.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, it turns out that (according to a nice person at SurfWatch who put up with the rant I mailed in and send back a denial rather quickly) io.com isn't actually blocked. At least, so they say. No comment on whether there's anything like the "25 complaints" policy. I don't own SurfWatch, but if anybody does and finds www.io.com blocked, I'll send in another rant. I wonder whether they've actually considered the liability situation in re: blocking sites that shouldn't be blocked? I mean, sure, they seem nice enough about setting things right (like with the Nynex sites whose url's had "xxx" in the paths), but it seems to this non-lawyer that a case could be made for damages inflicted by being known as a purveyor of filthy indecency for even a short while. ______c_____________________________________________________________________ Mike M Nally * Tiv^H^H^H IBM * Austin TX * pain is inevitable m5(a)tivoli.com * m101(a)io.com * <URL:http://www.io.com/~m101> * suffering is optional

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What do these words mean on your planet?
by uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ios.com!news2.ios.com!usenet＠warwick.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <AHALL.96Mar5083553(a)remus.cs.uml.edu>, ahall(a)cs.uml.edu (Andrew Hall) wrote: >>>>>> Sam writes: > Sam> In <AHALL.96Mar1143852(a)remus.cs.uml.edu>, ahall(a)cs.uml.edu (Andrew Hall) > wrote> > >>>>>>> Sam writes: > Sam> In <tilleyDnK4Kp.HsD(a)netcom.com>, tilley(a)netcom.com (Tom Tilley) wrote: > >> >> In article <4h23li$p20(a)news2.ios.com> mrsam(a)soho.ios.com (Mr. Sam) writes: > >> >>> In <tilleyDnG5Js.1DB(a)netcom.com>, tilley(a)netcom.com (Tom Tilley) wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> a.c, a.flame.r-l, and a.c-e.c.w removed. > >> >>> > >> >>>> In article <4gqd9u$u6(a)news2.ios.com> mrsam(a)soho.ios.com (Mr. Sam) writes: > >> >>> > >> >>>>> Here's one: why doesn't it say 'no tax on capital gains', like for other > >> >>>>> categories, hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? > >> >>> > >> >>>> I don't know about where you're from, but here on planet > >> >>>> Earth zero'ing out taxes is the same as "no tax." > >> >>> > >> >>> I don't know about what's it's like over there, but in this universe, words > >> >>> mean things. > >> >> Yes, they do, and whether you like it or not "zero out capital > >> >> gains tax" means the same thing as "no tax on capital gains." > Sam> Nope. In case you haven't noticed, a few words differ from one to another. > Sam> And, as I said, words mean things. > >> >> Deal with it. > Sam> I do. I have a dictionary. > >> Please let me know which dictionary it is that says > >> "zero = 17%". I want to be sure not to get a copy. > Sam> The same one that says, for you, that convicted drug users are always > Sam> innocent. >I used common sense for that. What is your excuse? No, you didn't. "Convicted" is not the same thing as "innocent", how does that grab you? Conviction logically follows being proven guilty. And guilty is the opposite of innocent, at least on my planet. -- Mr. Sam: member, talk.politics.misc troll patrol channel operator, #Sci-Fi - Undernet IRC sci-fi/fantasy channel http://www.cyberstorm.com/~rockd/sci-fi.html _____________________________________________________________________________ "Government is not a solution to our | "First of all, keep in mind that most problem, government IS the problem." | of our problem is with working -- R. Reagan. | Americans." -- B. Clinton. _____________________________________|_______________________________________

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Re: Truelly Random Numbers
by Mutant Rob 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim Fulbright wrote: > > Now I, a lurker for two months, am truelly confused! L. Deitweiler must be > right. Surely one of you cyperpunk fellows could hack together a dongle with > some kind of AD converter and buffer ram to gather a Truelly Random Bitstream > off the environment every couple of milliseconds easier than this raindrop > scheme or recording the fan, you're haviung me on!. Let's go back [..] The raindrop scheme was (politely) laughed off. As for the fan recording scheme, it's a good make-do-with-what-you-already-have method, as opposed to buying and/or building a card. A 'simple AD converter' isn't so simple. Especially if you want to be sure you really have random noise and not something else that just looks random. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMTz0nSoZzwIn1bdtAQGl6QF+P1V62qg+Mf5K+VN3q0Y1e6/A4EO4uLLr WNxAbtE+OxQXFKnP7ajFUFBbnDLJxLmx =4ysY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FCC and Internet telephones
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dost my ears deceive me? Is this true? Ern -------- INCLUDED MESSAGE FCC Asked to Stop Net Phones A trade association of long distance phone service carriers has asked the Federal Communications Commission to halt companies from selling software and hardware products that enable use of the Internet for long distance voice services. In a statement from Washington, the America's Carriers Telecommunication Association says it "submits that it is incumbent upon the FCC to exercise jurisdiction over the use of the Internet for unregulated interstate and international telecommunications services." A growing number of companies sell such software with ancillary hardware for transmitting and receiving voice over the Net, which, says the statement, "creates the ability to 'by-pass' local, long distance and international carriers and allows for calls to be made for virtually 'no cost.'" "For example," adds the ACTA statement, "online service providers generally charge users around $10 for five hours of access and then around $3 for each additional hour. Five hours equals 300 minutes, divided by $10 is 3.3 cents per minute. The average residential long distance telephone call costs about 22 cents per minute or seven times as much." Long-distance and international telephone service carriers must be approved by the FCC to operate and must file tariffs before both the FCC and state public service commissions. All of these requirements are stipulated in the Communications Act of 1934 and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Says ACTA, "Technology may once again be surpassing government's ability to control its proper use. However, the misuse of the Internet as a way to 'by-pass' the traditional means of obtaining long distance service could result in a significant reduction of the Internet's ability to transport its ever enlarging amount of data traffic." Specifically, ACTA petitions the FCC to define the type of permissible communications that may be effected over the Internet.

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DNSSEC (was: A brief comparison of email encryption protocols)
by Donald E. Eastlake 3rd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Carl Ellison wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:34:41 -0500 > >From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > >Subject: Re: A brief comparison of email encryption protocols > >To: ericm(a)lne.com (Eric Murray) > >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:18:41 -0500 (EST) > >Cc: ericm(a)lne.com, perry(a)piermont.com, cme(a)cybercash.com, warlord(a)mit.edu, > > lgl(a)qualcomm.com, Cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > ... > > > >| Along those lines, I was envisioning adding a KEY RR type to > >| DNS, and using it to maintain pointers to keyservers. > > > >[...] > >| This sounds so obvious that I'm sure that I'm not the first > >| or even the tenth person to think of it, and in fact I > >| see a KEY RR type defined in the BIND 4.9.3BETA17 source. But > >| there's just a type there, nothing else to support it. > >| Anyone know what it's for? > > > > Donald Eastlake is writing the spec for storing keys in > >nameservers. Its in the process of moving to draft standard; there > >will probably be something about it after LA. I think its: > > > >ftp://ds.internic.net/draft-ietf-dnssec-secext-09.txt actually its in /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnssec-secext-09.txt on any of the IETF shadow directory machines such as ftp.isi.edu or ds.internic.net via ftp. It's up for Internet Proposed Standard and tehre were no objections at the DNSSEC working group meeting this morning. It provides for KEY RRs and SIG (signature) RRs. I recommend people check it out. > >Adam > > > >-- > >"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." > > -Hume > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | > |CyberCash, Inc., Suite 430 http://www.cybercash.com/ | > |2100 Reston Parkway PGP 2.6.2: 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | > |Reston, VA 22091 Tel: (703) 620-4200 | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1 508-287-4877(tel) dee(a)cybercash.com 318 Acton Street +1 508-371-7148(fax) dee(a)world.std.com Carlisle, MA 01741 USA +1 703-620-4200(main office, Reston, VA) http://www.cybercash.com http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html

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Re: Jump Start ecash With IPhone
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:49 PM 3/6/96 -0800, Jim McCoy wrote: >Just because LD is "deregulated" does not mean that it is without any >governmental oversight, much as I wish it were... LD companies still >have to pay certain taxes (take a look at your next phone bill, they are >clearly listed in addition to your actual phone charges) and I am certain >that they have entire office buildings stuffed with drones filling out >paperwork for Uncle Sam... > >jim > Granted. Of course it is quite a jump to claim that a software program is a "Long Distance Carrier." If I run Winsock on my machine and a Winsock application like Iphone, if anyone is the LD carrier, *I* am because I am digitizing my voice and doing the first part of the switching necessary to send the packets on their way. Maybe the FCC should bust *me* for practicing telecommunications without a license. It would make for an interesting case. DCF

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Re: Truelly Random Numbers
by Mutant Rob 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mark Allyn 206-860-9454 wrote: [..] > Take a piece of non conducting board, say about six by six > feet. Put electrodes on it; say a pair of electrodes every > quarter inch or so across and down. > > Each pair of electrodes would be connected to logic so that > it generates a unique number. When the electrodes are shorted, > the number would be generated. Quite elaborate. And unless you live in a rainy part of the world, not very useful. Better off using those contraptions where little steel balls fall around the electrodes. There's some entropy there... but still, it's too elaborate for RNG generation. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMTooTyoZzwIn1bdtAQFXIwF/cjzvAfNJMOn9Pw6VSztPKCHUc/dmuwZ1 bOAEKnlQmwhRKOxpNmBr+EpM3zoRIWWP =8nb+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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