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Philodox Symposium: Digital Bearer Transaction Settlement
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:54:33 -0400 To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs(a)philodox.com> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Philodox Symposium: Digital Bearer Transaction Settlement Sender: <dbs(a)philodox.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@philodox.com?subject=subscribe%20dbs> X-Web-Archive: http://www.philodox.com/dbs-archive/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Announcement Date: May 13, 1998 The Philodox Symposium on Digital Bearer Transaction Settlement The Downtown Harvard Club Boston, Massachusetts July 23-24, 1998 Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism, of Boston, Massachusetts, in association with the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, announces the first in a series of symposia, conferences and workshops on the subject of digital bearer transaction settlement. The first of these gatherings, a symposium examining the technology, economics, markets and law of digital bearer settlement, will be held at the Harvard Club of Boston, Thursday and Friday, July 23 and 24, 1998. What is Digital Bearer Settlement? A digital bearer transaction is one where a cryptographically secure value-object, issued and underwritten by a third party, is exchanged between the two parties in a trade, typically over a public internetwork. The object, when passed in trade for something else of value, executes, clears, and settles the transaction instantaneously, securely, and, usually, anonymously. And, at considerable savings in transaction cost compared to "book-entry" transactions, such as credit and debit cards, checks, and modern securities clearing methods. It is estimated that $100 billion in transactions are being executed on the internet annually. 40% of all retail stock trades are now executed from the net, for instance. If it's possible to properly call a credit card transaction transmitted under Secure Socket Layer to be settled and cleared on the net itself, then an estimated maximum of $10 billion of those transactions, 10%, are actually cleared and settled on the net, with marginal market share to other transaction protocols. By comparison, $3 trillion in foreign exchange transactions are executed, cleared and settled every day, using standard book-entry processes. There are electronic check and debit protocols in experimental development, but, as transaction settlement time tends towards the instantaneous, the more cost, security, and non-repudiation advantages there are for digital bearer settlement. It is not unreasonable to see how transaction costs can be reduced enormously by digital bearer settlement, possibly by several orders of magnitude over any analogous book-entry method. It is completely conceivable that digital bearer transactions, of all kinds and sizes, from macrobonds to micropayments, will be executed, cleared, and settled on ubiquitous global internetworks, and will become the dominant transaction mechanism over time on those networks, and, by extension, in the global economy in general. It may happen sooner than we can imagine. Electronic book-entry settlement itself is only 40 years old at best, and internet financial cryptography and digital bearer settlement are much more a phenomenon of collapsing microprocessor prices than electronic book-entry settlement ever was. The Philodox Digital Bearer Transaction Settlement Events Towards that end, Philodox has taken it upon itself to focus the attention of the information technology, financial and legal communities onto the technology of digital bearer settlement though the following series of events. First, this initial Symposium of professionals interested in digital bearer settlement, to be held in Boston. Then, contingent on interest, a peer-reviewed Financial Research Conference to be held during the winter of 1998-99 in Manhattan or Washington, followed by a small Developer's Conference in the spring of 1999, held in more casual surroundings, and, finally, a teaching Workshop for Financial Professionals held in the summer of 1999 at a resort location, probably Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. It is hoped by Philodox that some, or perhaps, all, of these events will be recurring ones, and of course, that they will increase in attendance over time. The Symposium Each section of the Symposium agenda will consist of a short presentation on the topic by the most expert symposium participant on the subject present, followed by discussions led by a moderator. While it is not expected that everyone will even be conversant on each topic, it is expected that participants will bring their own particular expertise to bear on specific elements of the symposium program, and, of course, not everyone will have to present something. We have a lot to teach each other, but, fortunately, most of the people who are interested enough in this topic to come to this first symposium will know more than enough to have at least some opinions on the topics under discussion, and will certainly want to share those opinions with everyone else. Finally, there are lots of differing opinions this subject, so expect some animated discussion. Because of the expected demand and the size of the Harvard Club space we're using, participation in the symposium will be limited, and advance registration will be required. See below for details. The Symposium Agenda Agenda The Philodox Symposium on Digital Bearer Transaction Settlement The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston July 23-24, 1998 Thursday, July 23, 1998 (Club Dress Code: jacket and tie, no jeans or sneakers) 0730-0830: Check-in, Breakfast 0830-0845: Welcome 0845-1015: History of Bearer Transaction Settlement How old is bearer settlement? Why should we think about physical bearer settlement? What were the market models for underwriting digital bearer instruments? What sanctions prevented non-repudiation? What happened to physical bearer settlement? What is digital bearer settlement? How was it invented? What is the status of digital bearer settlement now? 1015-1030: Break 1030-1200: Digital Bearer Settlement Technology Survey and Forecasts What are the different digital bearer settlement protocols? How do they work? Which ones are on the market today? What are some of the technical limits of these protocols? Can they be overcome and do they need to be? What kinds of technology is in the labs? 1200-1300: Lunch 1300-1500: Bearer Settlement Legal/Regulatory Survey and Forecasts How did we get transaction regulation in the first place? What are the legal restrictions on bearer transactions in general? What are the laws on strong cryptography? How do the above laws and regulations effect the prospects for digital bearer settlement? What effect will cash-settled, and possibly anonymous, digital auction markets have on intellectual property rights? 1500-1515: Break 1515-1715: Possible Legal/Regulatory Solutions What can be done about bearer settlement law and regulation? Are there ways that internet digital bearer settlement can coexist with book-entry settlement laws? Will the potential cost savings overcome the need to regulate? What about intellectual property laws? Should there be a legislative/regulatory strategy? If so, what would it look like? 1730-1930: Reception, Cocktails and Hors d'Oeurves Friday, July 23, 1998 (Dress Code: "business casual", no jeans or sneakers) 0800-0830: Breakfast 0830-0845: Announcements 0845-1015: Internet Transaction Settlement Economic/Financial Survey and Forecasts What is the annual dollar volume of all transactions worldwide? How are they broken up by payment mechanism? What is the actual and forecasted dollar volume of internet transaction execution? How will those transactions clear and settle? What are the current clearing and settlement costs? What are the expected costs of internet digital bearer settlement? What is the micro- and macroeconomic impact of a digital bearer settled economy? 1015-1030: Break 1030-1200: Capital Market Applications for Digital Bearer Settlement What kinds of securities can you create digital bearer instruments for? How do they work? How do you vote stock, collect dividends, etc.? Can you really do limited liability in software, without law? What size transactions can be cleared and settled like this? How much transaction volume can a digital bearer market handle? 1200-1300: Lunch 1300-1430: Other Market Applications for Digital Bearer Settlement Just how ubiquitous can the internet be? Can you create cash settled pay-per-use utilities? Even roads? Digital bearer gambling tokens? "Digital Collectibles"?? Lions, and tigers, and bears: "Perfect kidnappings", "crypto-anarchy", auction markets for force, geodesic warfare, the end of civilization as we know it, and other monsters under the bed. 1430-1445: Break 1445-1630: New Product/Market Ideas for Digital Bearer Settlement Who are the entrepreneurs? What else can we do with digital bearer instruments? When is the transition to digital bearer settlement going to happen? Where's the most bang for the buck, right now? How are we going to make money on this? 1630-1645: Closing Symposium Cost and Registration The cost for the Philodox Symposium on Digital Bearer Transaction Settlement is $447, payable by company check or personal money order to "Philodox", and sent to Robert Hettinga, Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA, 02131, USA. Massachusetts residents should add 6% sales tax. Please contact Robert Hettinga <mailto:rah@philodox.com>, or <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> for wire instructions if it is necessary to make your payment by bank wire. Include the participant(s) name, shirt size, email address, and company affliation, if applicable, with your check or money order. Confirmation of your check and your Symposium seat will be sent by email. If you pay by wire, please notify Mr. Hettinga by email that you intend to do so, and include in your email the other requested information. In order to organize the Symposium properly, payment must be received by Philodox no later than noon, Thursday, July 9th, 1998. Again, attendance to the Symposium is limited, so please register as soon as possible to assure your seat. The Symposium fee goes towards conference room rental, breakfasts, lunches, a cocktail reception on Thursday night, snacks, audio-visual rental, internet access on-site, various mementoes of the occasion, and, of course, Philodox's event management fee. Scholarships A small number of scholarship fee-waivers will be available, contingent upon direct sponsorship and the size of the Symposium, to be selected by Philodox and based upon the applicant's financial need and ability to contribute to the symposium. Please contact Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com>, or <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>, if you want to request a fee-waiver. Sponsorship In addition to direct event and website sponsorship opportunities, including the possiblity of exhibition space, there are several in-kind sponsorship opportunites available, particularly in the areas of audio-video services and internet services, including internet access, web-casting and web-page development. Please contact Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com>, or <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>, if you're interested in in-kind or direct sponsorship of the Symposium. The Digital Bearer Settlement Email List: dbs(a)philodox.com As part of Philodox's ongoing support of the technology of digital bearer settlement, an email list has been established to discuss the technology and it's ramifications in an unmoderated, informal setting. Please see <http://www.philodox.com/> to see the archives of the Digital Bearer Settlement discussion list, and its subscription information. If there is enough demand, an additional announcement list for the Symposium itself will be created, but it is hoped that the Symposium's participants will use dbs(a)philodox.com as a "watering hole" for their discussions. Who is Philodox? Philodox is a new financial technology evangelism company founded by Robert Hettinga, founder of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, and founding moderator and editor of several internet discussion lists and newsletters on digital commerce and financial cryptography. Mr Hettinga is also the founder of both the International Conference on Financial Cryptography, and the International Financial Cryptography Association. For more information on Philodox, please see <http://www.philodox.com>. For more information on Robert Hettinga, please see <http://www.shipwright.com>. For more information on the Digital Commerce Society see <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu?body=info%20dcsb>. For more information on the International Conference on Financial Cryptography, see <http://www.fc98.ai/>. See You in Boston! Cordially, Robert Hettinga Founder, Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism Boston, Massachusetts -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNVnPvMUCGwxmWcHhAQGEDwf6AzFX53KDFRwNieTsU7M19nLf7F88BNWM bu+ii9aJsrAFlvkllyFuruVMjEWiYpNTfj5xPEJaaIxeHFRR6vNJet7XekAMjg1O ZeYzs86I9DovtSIpSuSt3uHcPuwPgE9ZvO0parHwUl64uZ1cTldExYPCaquqU1K0 YzOVI+01MNKs/T5Zo68nRhkm1DfzYCE3DjKs4YA2mgA8nmgpqjhbnncOYATgv3Up H+RRLLVSHD3nKh2RdK49RtGpRg6YvDRI3FP0vPaPTAMNy6A0KREhcnixZp8CZhBC X510YO4ctlUkcS6esfSL9NyDZNlvLPZ4DdFveFgCurqvrUF5dyHMvQ== =6min -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Encryption trends and legal issues
by jim＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gavin skribis: > I am looking for information on the legal and export issues on > encryption around the world and the current use of different encryption > algorithms today. For legal/export issues: http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm He keeps it up-to-date, and it covers the world. For current use of different encryption algorithms, I think TIS has a continuing project monitoring availability of packages worldwide using different systems. Jim Gillogly

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Re: Question reports on Y2K report
by vpuser＠u041.oh.vp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan, Unfortunately it does not have a URL it is a printed report ( Febuary 1998), & I was given a copy of it. One paragraph in the report ( that I have read so far) does reference http://www.garynorth.com ========== NOTE: Have not had the time to look at the Home Page for the report, but could possibly be at http://www.mcalvany.com =========== However, the report it self discusses all areas that the Y2K bug could affect. The Only location, that I have found so far, is at the subscription office ( subscription is to high for me ) MIA P.O. Box 84904 Phoenix, AZ 85071 Brian > > Want to give me a URL? > > -Declan > > > --

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Re: State Charges in Weaver Case
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A species of Monger named GovtLicensedMurderMonger wrote: > Ray Arachelian wrote: (re: "Just Following Orders" Horiuchi) > > Fine, then what shall we charge the one that gave the order with? And > > what shal be the punishment? If the one who takes the order relinquishes > > reposability, then the one giving the order must be doubly responsible. > Jeez, Ray. If you follow this twisted train of logic, you end up > expecting the President and the Legislature to take responsibility for > the State of the Union. > Are you some kind of godless Commie, or something? You'll certainly > feel foolish when the FBI lab proves that the trigger was pulled by > a drug dealer who was told to do so by a child molester. It's just a > shame that those poor federal agents had to be there to witness the > tragedy. The godless Libertarians are also spouting off the same type of ludicrous claims regarding government officials being responsible for their actions. Like the people we vote for actually had any say in how this country is run... Geez, wise up, guys. GeezMonger ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz 'Enough money to have fed every human on earth' "August 2, 1997, marks the 60-year anniversary of the failed and devastating American public policy of drug prohibition," announced California Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Steve Kubby of Lake Tahoe in a recent -- and refreshingly outspoken -- press release. "Just how big is $400 billion?" Kubby asks. "Adjusted for 1997 dollars, $400 billion is enough money to have fed every human on Earth, each year, for the past 10 years." "As one of the chief architects of the War on Drugs, Lungren has a lot of explaining to do," Kubby said. "What has been accomplished by spending such such an incredible sum of money? We've created the biggest prison system in the history of the world, with more of our own citizens rotting behind bars than any other nation in the world -- and drugs are cheaper and more easily available than ever before, especially to kids. "It's time to hold public officials like Dan Lungren accountable for the tragic waste of money and lives that has produced nothing but more drugs, more violence, more addiction, and more misery." "It is even more puzzling as to why Mr. Lungren thinks his colossal failures in the War on Drugs qualify him for higher public office." The "Kubby for governor" web page is at http://www.alpworld.com/kubby98. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. The column is syndicated in the United States and Canada via Mountain Media Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas Nev. 89127.

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Welfare Solution #389
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:30 AM 8/22/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > >Welfare Solution #389: > Many in the welfair class have their basic needs met by the government >and then steal to buy heroin. > How about this? - When a person on welfare is busted for heroin use, >or theft to support a habit, the State thereafter sends the person's >welfare check to a Crime Restitution fund and lets the person keep >stealing, only now it is for the purpose of supplying their own >basic needs. In NY, when a defendant gets convicted of a crime including a drug offense, s/he has to pay a mandatory surcharge part of which is a Crime Victims' Fee. [Query: who is the victim in a drug case? -- but I digress...]. Also, if it was a crime where the victim suffered financial losses, the defendant not only has to pay the Crime Victim's Fee but also restitution to the victim. Additionally, pursuant to Federal Law, anyone convicted of a drug charge and, who is residing is federally-subsidized housing, becomes subject to eviction proceedings. [Quirk: if one family member is engaged in such business activities, the entire family is captured under the law's umbrella but, again, I digress..]. > The crime rate stays the same, but the victims receive some amount >of recompensation. So-called crime rates are subject to the compilation *and* interpretation of statistics, and for those of us who were lucky enough to have studied Statistics, we know that these so-called statistical rates are ripe for producing the desired results versus providing an accurate statistical account. Case in point: Prior to Reagan's Administration, the Armed Forces were never included in the employed or non-employed categories. Reagan added the Armed Forces to the employed category, and the masses were tickled pink when the government announced that employment rates increased dramatically. >Damn, I'm smart... Since I don't know you, I am in no position to comment. You may be smart, highly intelligent, or a genius - or you may possess the analytical processes of a gerbil. Whichever category you are within, perhaps you should keep in mind the old saying: "It's a thin line between genius and insanity." [A little appetizer for thought...]. ************************************************************************** Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | Lazlo's Chinese Relatively Axiom: Poughkeepsie, New York | "No matter how great your triumphs or lharrison(a)mhv.net | how tragic your defeats, approximately http://www.dueprocess.com | one billion Chinese couldn't care less." ************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER: I am not your attorney; you are not my client. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* legal advice.

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Re: death of Usenet
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> If I understand the implemented Eternity service correctly, it >> fundamentally relies on Usenet as the propagation method. What happens >> if Usenet dies? How will I continue to refresh my Eternity document? Was it Yogi Berra who said "Nobody goes there any more; it's too crowded."? While Usenet is becoming a vaster wasteland by the month, for the purposes of an Eternity service, or alt.anonymous.messages, that's fine, because there's more noise to hide your signal in, and it doesn't really matter if it's 98% spam as long as your potential user base can get the service without attracting much attention. The more interesting problem with Usenet is that it no longer operates in the old flood-routing fashion, where everybody had all the news they could handle on their machines and could quietly grub the articles they wanted out of /usr/spool/news, and a 300...1200...9600 baud modem could receive it all. Instead, news tends to be exchanged between servers that can handle the flood of 1+ GB/day, and news clients download the articles they want from the servers, which makes it much easier to monitor who's actually reading what, though you could still get a feed of alt.anonymous.messages or alt.binaries.pictures.stego without the Traffic Analysts knowing which messages were for you. Some counters to this may be to use services like DejaNews to read the news through web anonymizers (if you trust them), or to build news retrieval features into remailers (if you trust them, and preferably with a pay-per-retrieval system so the remailer doesn't just get resource-abused or entrapped as a porn retriever) or to use SSH to log in to your shell accounts on your cash-paid ISP. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Welfare Solution #389
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:30 AM 8/22/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > >Welfare Solution #389: > Many in the welfair class have their basic needs met by the government >and then steal to buy heroin. > How about this? - When a person on welfare is busted for heroin use, >or theft to support a habit, the State thereafter sends the person's >welfare check to a Crime Restitution fund and lets the person keep >stealing, only now it is for the purpose of supplying their own >basic needs. In NY, when a defendant gets convicted of a crime including a drug offense, s/he has to pay a mandatory surcharge part of which is a Crime Victims' Fee. [Query: who is the victim in a drug case? -- but I digress...]. Also, if it was a crime where the victim suffered financial losses, the defendant not only has to pay the Crime Victim's Fee but also restitution to the victim. Additionally, pursuant to Federal Law, anyone convicted of a drug charge and, who is residing is federally-subsidized housing, becomes subject to eviction proceedings. [Quirk: if one family member is engaged in such business activities, the entire family is captured under the law's umbrella but, again, I digress..]. > The crime rate stays the same, but the victims receive some amount >of recompensation. So-called crime rates are subject to the compilation *and* interpretation of statistics, and for those of us who were lucky enough to have studied Statistics, we know that these so-called statistical rates are ripe for producing the desired results versus providing an accurate statistical account. Case in point: Prior to Reagan's Administration, the Armed Forces were never included in the employed or non-employed categories. Reagan added the Armed Forces to the employed category, and the masses were tickled pink when the government announced that employment rates increased dramatically. >Damn, I'm smart... Since I don't know you, I am in no position to comment. You may be smart, highly intelligent, or a genius - or you may possess the analytical processes of a gerbil. Whichever category you are within, perhaps you should keep in mind the old saying: "It's a thin line between genius and insanity." [A little appetizer for thought...]. ************************************************************************** Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | Lazlo's Chinese Relatively Axiom: Poughkeepsie, New York | "No matter how great your triumphs or lharrison(a)mhv.net | how tragic your defeats, approximately http://www.dueprocess.com | one billion Chinese couldn't care less." ************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER: I am not your attorney; you are not my client. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* legal advice.

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Re: Abusive crossposting by anonymous remailer user (Was: Gary Lee Burnore is a Convicted Sex Offender in Raleigh, NC)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Crisp <crisp(a)pageplanet.com wrote: > > The thread you're whining about involved Steve Crisp <crisp(a)pageplanet.com> > > threatening an anonymous poster with "beating the living fuck out of you" > > if his/her identity could be determined... > > And it still stands. Come out of hiding and see if you survive the > night. > > Steve Crisp Does anyone question the need for the ability to post anonymously with censorious bullies like him running loose? Him and Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)databasix.com> threatening to "make life a living hell" for anyone who dares to criticize her anonymously, that is. Someone posts something he didn't like and he threatened that person with bodily harm. I criticize him anonymously for making that threat, and now he threatens me, too. That sure makes PagePlanet sound like a company I'd like to do business with: PagePlanet (PAGEPLANET-DOM) 3252 Octavia Street Raleigh, NC 27606 US Domain Name: PAGEPLANET.COM Administrative Contact: Crisp, Steve (SC2795) crisp(a)PAGEPLANET.COM 919-852-5262 (FAX) 919-233-0816 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Sullivan, Mikey (MS5652) mikey(a)PAGEPLANET.COM 919-852-5262 (FAX) 919-852-5261 Billing Contact: Crisp, Valerie (VC370) valerie(a)PAGEPLANET.COM 919-233-6602 (FAX) 919-852-5261 Record last updated on 10-Feb-98. Record created on 25-Nov-96. Database last updated on 13-May-98 03:50:14 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: DNS.PAGEPLANET.COM 205.152.36.2 DNS2.PAGEPLANET.COM 205.152.36.3 DNS3.PAGEPLANET.COM 208.194.157.172

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17 Dec '03

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For Platypus Eyes Only
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED SEPT. 5, 1997 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Define 'stealing' Winding up an ongoing but perhaps instructive debate with e-mail correspondent J.P., I had offered: "The notion that it's all right to steal at gunpoint 'some modest amount, as long it serves a legitimate public need' ignores the simple moral truth that the end cannot be allowed to justify the means." J.P. responded: "Define steal. If you are benefiting from having a court and national defense system, and pay nothing for its upkeep, then you would be stealing. OK -- one final time: # # # Hi, J.P. -- Probably the one place where we are still furthest apart is the definition of "theft." To me, it merely has to do with voluntarism, versus levying something under the threat of force. None of my federal taxes are paid voluntarily. I allow them to be "withheld" from my paycheck because if I tell my employer I won't work here any longer unless he stops "withholding," I'll be out of a job. Likewise, any other "compliance" I grant the federals is because they have repeatedly demonstrated they will seize (start ital)all(end ital) of my paycheck, and all of my bank accounts (even if I find myself unemployed, and have so notified them), if I do not "comply" -- all this without so much as a signed court order. Under those conditions -- even if I didn't know how wasteful, oppressive and counterproductive most of their schemes really are -- what would I care to how "noble" a purpose the federals assure me some of my moneys will be put? Try approaching someone taking money out of her ATM. Assure her that at least 60 percent of the money you're seizing from her at gunpoint will be used to buy medicines for the poor. Proceed to (start ital)buy(end ital) medicines for the poor with 60 percent of her money, and keep careful documentation. When you're identified from the ATM camera tape and arrested, show the police your evidence that most of the money went to "a noble purpose," while the rest merely covered your "operating overhead." Thus, you committed no "theft," and they'll let you go without prosecution. Right? I don't think so. Your underlying premise is that "government" can properly do things which would be crimes if they were done by individuals, as long as they're "for the greater good of the many." But that one concession leads, in the end, to all the evils of the police state. On the other hand, you puzzle me with the assertion: "If you are benefiting from having a court and national defense system, and pay nothing for its upkeep, then you would be stealing." Even if it weren't for the fact that more and more of these "Defense" and "court" dollars go to enslave and murder American citizens who have harmed no one -- whose only "offense" is refusal to kneel before their federal masters -- I still wouldn't follow this. If a wealthy philanthropist builds a free public library, and I use it, am I "stealing?" After all, I have "benefited from it without paying for its upkeep." If a direct-mail scam artist mails me some gimcrack plastic camera I never ordered, and then tries to bill me $29.95 for "shipping and handling," do I have to pay? I don't think so. Yet under your theory, he would be allowed to seize from my bank account or paycheck any amount by which he could demonstrate I had "benefited" from his unsolicited "gift" ... couldn't he? Unless (again) government has a right to do things which would be crimes if undertaken by mortal men. In which case I ask again, since we the citizens cannot possibly "delegate" to the government rights or powers which we never possessed, where does government claim to derive the right or power to do these immoral things? From the same place the invading bandit chieftain (or, perhaps, Union bluebelly?) gets his "right" to rape your daughter and then ransom her back to you for half your wealth? At the point of his bayonet, and nowhere else? Your only answer seems to be, "The government has to do these things, because we're not sure we could find enough funds, otherwise." Imagine a bank robber patiently explaining to you: "I have certain absolute necessities, such as keeping my family fed, and buying ammunition and gas for the car. In the past, the only reliable way I've found to meet these requirements is bank robberies. Now, if you want me to reform my bank robbery system, perhaps taking a larger share from the larger, richer banks, I'll be happy to negotiate some reasonable reforms. "But heavens, you can't expect me to take the risk of giving up bank robbing entirely, on the strength of this theory that 'Somehow, I could probably keep my family fed by taking some kind of a steady job.' Don't I see panhandlers on the street every day? Aren't those people who tried your pie-in-the-sky, 'non-coercive' way of 'earning' enough money, and failed? I'd look a fine figure, standing at my child's grave, explaining 'I HOPED you wouldn't starve if I gave up bank-robbing. I thought it MIGHT work.' In fact, no single bank robber of my acquaintance has ever given up the trade voluntarily. Surely SOMEONE would have done so, in all these years, if your way could be made to work, don't you think?" If a private citizen told you this, you would doubtless judge him an incurable sociopath, and hope to see him shot down or caged before he could terrorize and kill too many more innocent bank tellers and patrons. But when a group of men who call themselves "the government" say this same thing, you tell me they're being sensible and prudent. Others -- whether singly or in organized groups -- can volunteer to do things which benefit me, without my permission. Presumably, they figured the benefits to them would justify their proceeding, even without my agreeing to help them. They have (start ital)no(end ital) moral right to then turn around and bill me for a share of a thing they have done without seeking my voluntary help and permission in advance (what would be the proper charge for my taking aesthetic pleasure in someone else's architecturally pleasing building, I wonder?) under the theory: "You benefited, so you have to pay." They can only extract such a non-voluntary payment from me by force or the threat of force ... which is theft. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin(a)lvrj.com "A well-regulated population being necessary to the security of a police state, the right of the Government to keep and destroy arms shall not be infringed."

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