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Re: Impact of Free Strong Crypto (Essay of sorts)
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)access.digex.net> >Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 22:30:22 -0400 (EDT) >How will the complete inability of law enforcement (Federal or Local) to >conduct wiretaps impact collection? Those who think that law enforcement >will just have to go away might want to reconsider. Instead I think that >law enforcement will simply become much more intrusive as a response to the >unavailability of easy interception via wiretapping. The more I try to disseminate PGP and RIPEM (and get people to use them), the more I think that inability to conduct wiretaps and get intelligence from them will never occur. If it were to occur, we'd probably see laws passed immediately against civilian cryptography. If we merely threaten it, we give a weapon to the FBI to request such laws and a compliant Congress might actually go ahead and give in. However, the prediction I find I have to make is that ccivilian

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NYT on TeleTheft
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Long article today on widespread international calling-card fraud -- stealing and selling numbers to and by computer hackers around the world -- and Secret Service and other LEAs current traps, investigations, arrests and indictments. Don't call if you want e-mail copy, they're about to bust you. This looks like one of "threats" the Wiretap Bill (and maybe the newly chastened CIA) hopes to squash. John

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Re: Hitler's not dead is he?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by nobody(a)jpunix.com (Anonymous) on Wed, 5 Oct 1:51 AM >P.S. Lewis McCarthy wrote: "Quick, somebody mention >Hitler". Okay. Mr. McDonald is as fascist as Hitler. Er, Hitler was a National Socialist. In those days, as now, everyone used the term indiscriminately, just like "fascist", "free market", "capitalist", "commie", and so on. Everybody gotta try to be more entertainingly original and it ain't easy, at least for me. Play the cryptography game, where no one knows for sure what's real or phony, where anyone can talk the talk like Jim Bidzos, and so on. We're all in the same doodoo together, name-calling by anonymous crypto or not, and so on it goes. John (looking for people wanting to sell ad space on their sigs; I been educated to buy into others stuff rather than think up something original, that's why I post so much from the NYT.)

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Re: Chomsky (thread from hell)
by nobody＠jpunix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Gary Jeffers" <CCGARY(a)MIZZOU1.missouri.edu> wrote: > I remember Chomsky being quoted (I think in a Mother Jones issue) > something to the effect that the opposition to "political correctness" > was not legitimate. Apparently, Chomsky finds at least one kind of > oppression to be not distasteful. > At a Chomsky lecture that I attended, Chomsky described himself as a > left libertarian. I surmise that he finds that grassroots oppression by > the left to be ok. I realize, of course, that "political correctness" > has great mass media & State support. Please post direct, in-context quotes from Chomsky to substantiate your claims, or stop making them. This demonization of Chomsky is so tiresome. ======================================================================= Crim Tideson Privacy is its own justification. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLpKaIavOblMnt4MdAQEwdQQAu1ztK8Wn9DRaANtklfbXBLZUAw0jRvKI f80gO3YLPZgOqUQV9j9AvoDl8Zqrsonm00gXxo2m7EIoZQtG5MIq9722kzEsxUzS aDipQM3bS9VRDtRrU4UhI5pl730yP6SulcpxRXv65OcSTJOsPNj40U0wC9tipeTk jiPoRSZ71Yg= =2CWO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Chomsky quote (thread from hell)
by nobody＠jpunix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > jamesd(a)netcom.com (James A. Donald) wrote: > > >Noam Chomsky, in a 4/16/94 e-mail response to a question from Steve > >Shalom, says: > > > > In my opinion, not only mainstream intellectuals but also others > > who produce a constant stream of lies, distortion, racist screeds, > > etc., should be permitted freedom of speech. The state should not > > have the power to stop them. The same freedom extends to > > hypocrites, like faculty senates who choose one particularly and > > usually quite marginal example because career and power interests > > are served thereby, while ignoring vastly more significant and > > awful cases because the opposite is true. And Congress, of which > > the same is correct. > [utterly specious reasoning deleted] > Thus he is actually making a misleading and spurious > argument *against* freedom of speech at the same time as he > is piously declaring himself to be in favor of freedom of > speech. Leaving aside the fact that you've somehow managed to "prove" to yourself that Chomsky means the opposite of what he clearly and consistently says, what has this to do with cypherpunks? ======================================================================= Crim Tideson Privacy is its own justification. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLpKchqvOblMnt4MdAQGl2wP8DpmSTLSR+H3xQJY/ygEbVzABPZu436eV vAiJNcNV+PoPw5Bg6p3IBowP40JcYoqjn6Va0PomkLxdWyluwGFlNnorsb2Lq8e8 KOhzMlmnX1CIlXYfxXQxN3wCSYVqDfdhbw/9l/ZLVLWLLT+TH/NFNrj3WIhEmuWJ yXHkKKcHWwM= =ot7V -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Remailers in the uk papers
by Jonathon Fletcher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today's OnLine in the Guardian (techy bit every thursday) has an article on anonymous remailers. It's not bad, nice introduction to the concepts, listing of some remailers (penet, the hacktic crowd, soda), a little practical instruction for the use of vox.hacktic (what headers to put in and how to delimit them). It introduces chaining, so mailings can be "super-secure". Quite a pro-remailer article - it's nice to read something like this in a public forum. There's a section on Julf and the amount of traffic that get's passed through penet, as well his address in case the reader wants to help sponsor (or donate something) a faster machine and a better connection to make it run faster. As a small quote, the last three sentences read: "Anonyous remailers can be fun, but try not to react like a child with a new toy. Use these services responsibly. Remember, some people need them badly" - OnLine, the Guardian, October 6th, 1994 The author is "Steve Harris <steveha(a)cix.compulink.co.uk>" -Jon -- Jonathon Fletcher. j.fletcher(a)stirling.ac.uk WWW Home Page: http://www.stir.ac.uk/~jf1

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NATIONAL CRYPTOGRAPHY POLICY
by fhalper＠pilot.njin.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw this in Edupage, thought I'd pass it along. Reuben NATIONAL CRYPTOGRAPHY POLICY The National Research Council is conducting a comprehensive study of national cryptography policy, including such topics as: the availability of cryptography technology to foreign and domestic parties; the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers and users of such technology; U.S. national security and law enforcement interests; relative merits of various cryptographic technologies; demand for information systems security based on cryptography; the impact of foreign restrictions; the extent to which current policy is adequate for protecting U.S. interests; relative merits of current key escrow implementation schemes; feasible policy options; and recommendations for the process through which all interests are balanced in the formulation of national cryptography policy. Send comments and other correspondence to crypto(a)nas.edu. (NRC Release)

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overload of the term "Key Escrow"
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There has been much discussion since at least 1992, but especially since April 1993, under the general heading of ``Key Escrow''. This term has been severely overloaded in the process, to the point that the term has no trustworthy meaning. What is worse, this overloading is almost certainly because there are topics which are politically sensitive involved and there is a reticence to express these topics openly. It is my intention to bring all of these topics into the open and discuss them, giving them each a label which we can use instead of the poor overloaded "Key Escrow". My list so far includes: export and intelligence access (NSA wants <= 40 bits to crunch on any alg shipped overseas) law enforcement access (FBI wants all cleartext, for everything, everywhere; failing that, it wants keys; and all have to be delivered to some comfortable central listening post) ?voluntary? compliance The Administration says "voluntary" but does it want: user voluntary, manufacturer voluntary + user mandatory, or mandatory ? Are there any other issues hidden behind the term "key escrow" which gov't people don't talk about that anyone thinks I should bring out in the open? Please reply by direct e-mail. Thanks, - Carl

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NYC MEETING
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NYC area C'punks, For those of you considering attending the meeting this Saturday, I forgot to mention two things. The Stantons have cats, and smoking is permitted in designated areas only (*outside* their apartment). You gotta problem with that? S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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NYT Libertarian News
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Good and bad news in today's NYT on a controversial new libertarian (I think) community. Here's the good news, or maybe bad, quote: Kamiah, Idaho -- Ever since Lewis and Clark sloshed their way through this valley 100 years ago, some people have viewed the Pacific Northwest as a refuge for the kind of behavior that might get a person run out of town in other parts of the country. . . . now comes retired Lieut. Col. James (Bo) Gritz, a Vietnam-era Green Beret and onetime Populist Party candidate for President, with what is likely to be the first community ever built around fear and hatred of the Federal Government. Mr. Gritz, who discovered Idaho during the Presidential campaign, says he is a patriot who has become disgusted with the "cesspool" of public schools, the "grip of the international bankers" on the nation's currency, and "an encroaching, ravenous, predator Government," which wants to disarm the citizenry and force people to carry health cards. . . . in an advertisement for his paramilitary programs, he says, "You will learn what weapon and ammunition type is best in times of grave peril; how to carry, draw, hold and efficiently engage multiple targets. It is this kind of language that has many people worried that their hamlet will become the next Waco. "The tyrants who ordered the assault on Waco should be tried and executed as traitors," Mr. Gritz wrote in a recent issue of his newsletter. . . . Mr. Gritz said, "I want a community where if the F.B.I. looks at us, they'll end up saying it's more trouble than it's worth." End quote. The bad news, or maybe good, is that the Times then goes on to ridicule Mr. Gritz and his cohorts. Anyone want this by e-mail? John

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