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Reminder. Suburbia BOAF Sat 6 April
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

____ _ _ _ / ___| _ _| |__ _ _ _ __| |__ (_) __ _ \___ \| | | | '_ \| | | | '__| '_ \| |/ _` | ___) | |_| | |_) | |_| | | | |_) | | (_| | |____/ \__,_|_.__/ \__,_|_| |_.__/|_|\__,_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birds of a feather ____ _ _ | _ \ __ _ _ __| |_ _ _| | | |_) / _` | '__| __| | | | | | __/ (_| | | | |_| |_| |_| |_| \__,_|_| \__|\__, (_) |___/ Saturday April 6, 1996 (easter weekend) 8:30pm till day light boaf(a)suburbia.net Melbourne Australia (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/dest/aust/melb.htm) This is a reminder. There are only three days left to RSVP. If you haven't received the address yet, then you are not on the list. There is no door fee (please see the original invite). Ps. Despite the attention to detail, it will be a very laid back affair. DO NOT wear a tie. At least, not around your neck, or someone might attach it to the rafters. Despite the serious types during the day, we are fully BYO pillow. --- "I mean, after all; you have to consider we're only made out of dust. That's admittedly not much to go on and we shouldn't forget that. But even considering, I mean it's sort of a bad beginning, we're not doing too bad. So I personally have faith that even in this lousy situation we're faced with we can make it. You get me?" - Leo Bulero/PKD +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+

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Re: What backs up digital money?
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) > When money finally goes onto the net, and never comes back, the digital > bearer certificates we call ecash will be a currency. Until then, it's just > a script. > > Or is it an interestless bond? ;-). I'm not sure exactly what you mean by money "going onto the net and never coming back". Is this just a matter of there being a wider variety of useful things to buy on the net? Or do you mean that people who receive ecash will not want to deposit in their bank accounts, but just turn around and spend it? I will point out that with regular currency, most merchants who receive it just deposit it at the bank, save for a bit passed out as change. Supermarkets don't actually take the cash their customers give them and hand it to their suppliers. They deposit it and pay with checks. So the "life cycle" of a $20 bill is pretty much from the bank, to the customer, to the merchant, and back to the bank, only to repeat the cycle. Ecash, it seems to me, is already able to circulate to this extent, although of course it is not yet widely used. Hal

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FC: CDA Court Challenge: Update #4
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The CDA Challenge, Update #4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Declan McCullagh / declan(a)well.com / Redistribute freely ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- April 3, 1996 NEW YORK -- This afternoon the action shifted to a Manhattan courtroom, where a panel of Federal judges tried to decide what to do with a CDA challenge filed after ours. The lone plaintiff is Joe Shea, who declined to join the ACLU/ALA coalition lawsuit and is suing on behalf of the American Reporter. Shea has been pressing the NYC court to rule on his case before ours is decided. While we've taken pains to net.educate our judges with live -- albeit buggy -- demos and six days of hearings, Shea is relying on hardcopy to argue his case. This strategy is dangerous: if a relatively ill-educated NYC court upholds the CDA, that precedent can hurt our case. In court today, U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Cabranes proposed that Shea and the assistant U.S. Attorney defending the CDA adopt the record of the Philadelphia case to avoid duplication of evidence, testimony, and exhibits. Shea's attorney, Randall Boe, was reluctant to agree, even though he would be allowed to present additional evidence. (The DoJ's crack civil team declined to show today.) The court wasn't happy with Boe's response. It gave Shea and the government until April 17 to decide to include the entire record of the Philly lawsuit -- and said that if they don't, the court would appoint its *own* computer expert to demo the Net and blocking software on April 30. Another possibility is that the New York court could stay its decision until the Philly court issues its opinion. At the request of the Pennsylvania three-judge panel, Marjorie Heins from the ACLU was in NYC today to describe the latest in our case; she also suggested that the Judge Cabranes' court had the option to wait. This could happen -- my friend Eric Freedman of Hofstra Law School tells me it is by no means unusual for one Federal court to defer to parallel proceedings in another. No matter what the panels of judges decide, the two cases will be consolidated on appeal to the Supreme Court. (If we lose, we have 60 to 90 days to file our appeal. If the DoJ loses, they have 20 to 30 days to file theirs.) Bruce Taylor has a unique perspective on the hearings. He's the guy who helped *write* the be-damned CDA and he's been its most vocal supporter over the last year as president of the National Law Center for Children and Families. I met Taylor last week at the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy conference and we sucked down a few beers in the hotel bar before he went cue-to-cue with Brock Meeks. Taylor told me today that the assistant US atty for the Southern District of New York was "just parroting what's happening in Philadelphia" and had come down from NYC on Monday to observe the proceedings. A former porn-prosecutor, Taylor wears his successful convictions as a badge of honor: "Comstock was an amateur!" He says his side is doing well: "I've worked with the civil division before... They're very good litigators who do their homework." (Of course, Taylor conveniently has deluded himself into believing the CDA is constitutional.) Today we also officially learned the identities of the DoJ's two expert witnesses. Since the DoJ is calling only two witnesses and we're calling just one more, we should finish before April 26. (The DoJ's fax to our legal team today says: "At this point, defendants do not plan to call additional witnesses.") If this works out, we'll complete testimony on April 12 and reserve April 15 for rebuttal. As I reported in a previous dispatch, the first pro-CDA witness is Dan R. Olsen, Jr., the incoming director of the Human Computer Interaction Institute at Carnegie Mellon University. Currently the head of the computer science department at Brigham Young University, Olsen will testify about the "technical issues related to the 'safe harbor' defenses" under the CDA. Olsen will be deposed, probably in Washington, DC, on April 8. Olsen was unwilling to tell me much in email earlier today: "I understand your interest, having read your home page. I would be happy to go over all of this with you when I actually move to CMU in July and the case has completed. Until the case is resolved, it would be inappropriate to discuss it. Thanks for your interest." Note that BYU's rather Orwellian computer usage policies say: "DON'T: Use BYU resources to view or transmit pornography... All the activities and circumstances covered by this policy must comply with the University's standards of Christian living... The University community may direct questions or requests for exceptions to this policy, as well as report any instances of noncompliance or deviations to the Advancement Vice President." How appropriate that a faculty member at such a school would take a job as an administrator at equally-censorhappy Carnegie Mellon University -- which is considering a truly heinous speech code and still censors its USENET feed! I predict lots of cybersmut when the second government witness testifies. He's Special Agent Howard A. Schmidt from the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and will "present a demonstration and testify concerning access to information, including sexually explicit material, that is available online, including through the Internet." Schmidt will be deposed on April 9. Brock Meeks reports that Schmidt apparently is a member of the High Technology Crime Investigation Association and has participated in a "Law Enforcement Panel on Computer Forensics" for the 18th National Information Systems Security Conference in Baltimore last October. He also likes boats and fishing; hiking and camping. It's a cinch that the April 12 hearing will be the best-attended. How often do you get a chance to see a DoD Special Agent pull up smutty GIFs on dual 8' projection screens in a Federal courtroom? The question is, of course, which GIFs? On the WELL, folks are betting that the salacious collection will include at least one snapshot of female genitals nailed to a table. At least, that the image that Bruce Taylor delights in using as an example of cybernastiness. Still no word on the true identity of Grey Flannel Suit. Stay tuned for more reports. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're back in court on 4/12, 4/15, and possibly 4/26. Mentioned in this CDA update: The American Reporter <http://www.newshare.com/Reporter/today.html> Joe Shea <joeshea(a)netcom.com> DoD's Howard Schmidt <howardas(a)aol.com> MU's HCI Institute <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~hcii/> Dan Olsen at BYU <http://www.cs.byu.edu/info/drolsen.html> BYU's censorship policy <http://advance.byu.edu/pc/releases/guidelines.html> Censorship at CMU <http://joc.mit.edu/> Brock Meeks on Howard Schmidt: <http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/fight-censorship/dl?num=2039> Brock Meeks' CyberWire Dispatch on Bruce Taylor: <http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/fight-censorship/dl?num=2040> Joe Shea's complaints about ACLU wanting to "stand alone in the limelight": <http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/fight-censorship/dl?num=2014> <http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/fight-censorship/dl?num=2036> <http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/fight-censorship/dl?num=2037> This and previous CDA Updates are available at: <http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/> <http://www.epic.org/free_speech/censorship/lawsuit/> To subscribe to the fight-censorship mailing list for future CDA Updates and similar discussions, send "subscribe" in the body of a message addressed to: fight-censorship-request(a)andrew.cmu.edu Other relevant web sites: <http://www.eff.org/> <http://www.aclu.org/> <http://www.cdt.org/> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (This CDA Update was compiled from various firsthand reports.) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: "unsubscrive" again!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:10 PM 4/3/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >Yet another "unsubscrive"? Is this some weird alternate spelling? Or are we >being trolled? My gut feel is that it's a troll. Don't know if it's a Medusa with tentacles all over the world subscribing and asking to undescrive, or whether somebody's been forging subscription requests and sending along bogus instructions for getting off. Sigh.

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"unsubscrive" again!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:51 AM 4/4/96, Batman wrote: >unsubscrive * batman(a)internet.infomaniak.ch >unsubscrive * batman(a)ns.infomaniak.ch >unsubscrive * batman(a)mail.infomaniak.ch Yet another "unsubscrive"? Is this some weird alternate spelling? Or are we being trolled? Apparently Batman has not been reading any of the recent posts on this subject--which is not surprising, for correlative reasons--so I doubt he'll even read this message. But in the hopes that he comes out of his Batcave long enough to fire up his Batcomputer: How to subscribe to the Cypherpunks mailing list: send a message to "majordomo(a)toad.com" with the body message "subscribe cypherpunks". To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe cypherpunks" to the same address. For help, send "help cypherpunks". Don't send these requests to the Cypherpunks list itself. And be aware that the list generates between 40 and 100 messages a day. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Rebuttal to Dvorak
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Letters to the Editor, PC Magazine RE: April 23 issue I found Mr. Dvorak's name-calling and finger-pointing sufficiently inspirational that I have posted an editorial rebutting his April 23 column on our Web server at http://www.shellback.com/editorials.htm (yes, the 'l' is missing at the end :-) Permission is hereby granted to reprint and/or repost the article in total. David Merriman webmaster(a)shellback.com Amarillo, TX ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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Re: Digest Version???????
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:32 AM 4/4/96, Bill Stewart wrote: > If you're looking for a reduced-volume list filtered using human >intelligence, > Eric Blossom <eb(a)comsec.com> does cypherpunks-light for $20/year, > and Ray Arachelian (sp?) does fcpunx for free, somewhere you can probably > > look up with AltaVista. I also run e$pam, where I filter the e$-relevant stuff from cypherpunks and about 50 (don't hold your breath, there isn't that much else out there, yet) other sources. The total e$pam mail feed is about 30-50% (depends on the day) of the cypherpunk total. The e$ home-page is: http://thumper.vmeng.com e$pam is sponsored, so individual subscriptions are free. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: e$ Signorage
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:35 AM 4/4/96, James Gleick (!) wrote: > Seigniorage is actually the Government's interest income on all the >currency in circulation. It's not obvious, but it's true, that the Fed >collects the "float" on dollar bills you carry in your pocket, exactly as >American Express collects the float on traveler's checks. Ah. That makes much more sense. I've always wanted to know what to call the interest an ecash issuer made on the e$ he had out on the net. "None Dare Call it Seigniorage." Sounds like a 50's movie title... > And, I don't know, call me crazy, but $20 billion sounds like a lot of >money to me. I bet that's a real number. In terms of its scale in the overall Federal Universe, to paraphrase Dirksen, "a billion here, a billion there..." Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: So, what crypto legislation (if any) is necessary?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> >Far more acceptable (and useful to us) would be a rule which would mandate >the government's allowing the export of any program that had, say, the key >security provided by IDEA or less, regardless of what it did with that >encryption. (Not that I want _any_ restrictions; it's just that such a >limit would make it impractically large to attempt to crack.) As I pointed out earlier, one way (that would cause the NSA types problems trying to stop) would be to make legal for export anything which was no harder for the NSA to break than what's already out of the country. -Allen

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Re: .sig followup
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:32 PM 4/4/96, Rich Graves wrote: > >CDAmeisters as an "invasion," but I really don't buy this stuff about >Cyberspace (a word only Barlow can say with a straight face) being a new ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >"place." It's just a communications medium, no more and no less real than >anything else. I think it would be better to stress that the online *is* This is not true. I use the word "cyberspace" with a straight face. It has long seemed perfectly descriptive to me. This doesn't mean I buy Barlow's "let's just declare independence" schtick. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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