- cypherpunks-legacy - lists.cpunks.org

Majordomo
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Was it my breath, or did Majordomo go down again? ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation who eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02331 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923

1 0

No Subject
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How can I check a newly downloaded PGP2.6 to verify that it is tamper-free before use and back-up? John Young

1 0

Real truth about Cell phone tracking
by rusty＠hodge.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1. Cellular phones "register" (the proper term) themselves whenever they move into a new cell (the coverage area provided by a base or tower - not the proper term. They do this by scanning the control channels when the current one falls below a certian signal strength. If you have cellular monitoring equipment, you will see the registration confirmations transmitted on the control channel, complete with the MIN (mobile identification number, or cellular phone number). The MTSO (mobile telephone switching office) knows what MINs are registered in each cell at a given time. 1a. A cellular phone can be "tracked" if it is turned on. It does not have to be in use. 2. If you are in a fixed position, and your phone is going between service and no service modes, you are at the edge of coverage area, and some of the time the control channel is falling below the scan threshold. It then tries to register with another cell and another until it is successful. It is scanning control channels when the no service lite is on. 3. There is a test mode defined in the NAMPS standard that causes a phone to begin transmitting on a designated frequency. And since the mouthpiece on a cellular phone is not switched off when the phone is on hook, you can easily bug someone's car this way. 4. Many of the cellular-based vehicle tracking systems only use the cellular phone to transmit data back to company headquarters, and do not determine location via triangulation or doppler direction finding techniques. These are not reliable enough for moving targets due to all the RF reflections. Also, my (limited) experience with doppler-based triangulation DFing shows how hard it is to DF a modulated FM signal. And since all cellular phones are transmitting a SAT tone (a 6kHz-ish supervisory audio tone) all the time, I think this would be very hard to do. 5. In major metro areas, individual cells cover extremely small areas... often every mile or two on the freeway, you will see another cell site. So you know exactly where to send a helicopter to. 6. For under $1000, you can buy a box which hooks up to a PC and controls a scanner and decodes the cellular control channels (and reverse channel data too). This includes software for following cellular calls as they hop from cell to cell, paging requests (get a phones attention), and displaying the MINs that register in a given cell (or cells, but you need one receiver for each cell you are monitoring!). 7. From the moment your phone starts ringing, there is an audio path back to the MTSO. When your phone is ringing, it has been assigned a channel and is transmitting. Pressing the send button to answer the phone sends a signal to the MTSO telling the switch to connect the landline to the channel the phone is on. This is especially evident on Ericcison switches (like LA Cellular uses). -- Rusty Hodge <rusty(a)hodge.com>

1 0

List wiped AGAIN?
by Michael Handler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought it had been a little quiet... then I saw the subscriber list. Any idea *why* this keeps happening? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Brandt Handler <grendel(a)netaxs.com> Philadelphia, PA PGP v2.6 public key on request Boycott PSI, Inc. & Canter & Siegel <<NSA>> 1984: We're Behind Schedule

1 0

Re: Crypto export legislation defeated in House Intelligence Cmte.
by Claborne, Chris at ScrippsRanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So much for lobbying. > > Look, something is going on here that doesn't meet the eye. Nothing is > ever unanimous in Washington. These guys were told something by somebody > that caused them to vote like this. You can bet it had nothing to do with > terrorists, drug pushers, or pedophiles. Why don't you expend > some effort to find out what they were told and by whom so we could learn > what this issue is really about because it is NOT about "national security". > Think about it... If you've had the ability to listen to any voice or e-mail traffic you felt like with a simple telco set or inexpensive computer any time, anywhere you felt like, wouldn't you put up a fight? It's like trying to take a gun from a NRA member. Once you have a freedom to do something you aren't going to give up easy. It's only going to be more difficult since NSA, and other three letter orgs are part of the government. Our metro-police, FBI, CIA, XXX, have been able to tap phone and e-mail (illegally or with court permission, or in the name of "national security") as easy as plugging in a toaster. Once citizens start using crypto systems, these three letter orgs are going to have to work for a living. OK, so a crook is using crypto in his communications. Most are so stupid, getting the keys won't be that hard and even better... the crook will still think his comm link is secure. I'll stop here with my arguments for dropping the barriers to crypto. For NSA, finding the right string to pull is probably real easy. The only thing we can do is continue to apply pressure at all fronts. Educating the general public is on one front. EFF has other fronts. ... __o .. -\<, chris.claborne(a)sandiegoca.ncr.com ...(*)/(*). CI$: 76340.2422 PGP Pub Key fingerprint = A8 FA 55 92 23 20 72 69 52 AB 64 CC C7 D9 4F CA Avail on Pub Key server.

1 0

Re: Beware of Roman Catholic Corruption
by gbe＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Don't let them lure you into following them into Hell. The 1611 > Authorized (King James) Version of the Holy Bible is the only book > that God ever wrote. All other alleged translations are frauds > written by the Devil himself. So what version of the scriptures did Jesus quote from? Gary B. Edstrom | Sequoia Software | PGP fingerprint: Internet: gbe(a)netcom.com | Programming Services | 2F F6 1B 28 6E A6 09 6C CompuServe: 72677,564 | P.O. Box 9573 | B0 EA 9E 4C C4 C6 7D 46 Fax: 1-818-247-6046 | Glendale, CA 91226 | Key available via finger What is PGP? Subscribe to alt.security.pgp and find out! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLgaIwkHZYsvlkKnJAQHfJAP+NBbcCDGzobs2IKuBCro9+Cka9VtMrbqi NQY1SZRv6ZMUb7UwF5dd6J0rPJCwjzs9bLNWDxG643BHww0LWlc8+jfw0N6eZX7U jYeso6+jKwSA3+sVfygyI5WTOUe5dUqFQfzHuxDFzZrgej3eejLw16WiwuCRpViL sk345Pw5dQQ= =SlzJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

Got Rep. Moakley's fax #
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I called Representative Moakley's office and got their correct fax number: (202) 225-3984 -fnerd quote me - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - the liquidy snack that drinks like a beverage! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

ADMIN: Test message
by hugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This should only be goin to the list maintainers. ||ugh Daniel

1 0

ADMIN: Test message
by hugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Something is broken with the full list, and it seems that I have to waste everybodys bandwidth to figure it out... not good. My apologies. ||ugh Daniel Sometimes Postmaster hugh(a)toad.com

1 0

ADMIN: MajorDomo Meltdown
by hugh＠ecotone.toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Humm, seems as I have my work cut out for me tonight, as majordomo zeroed out the list again and is having problems with it's temp files (filling up a second disk here at toad.com) Eric Hughes and I freed up 15 megs on the disk where majordomo keeps the cypherpunks list, and I tought that would give me the time to do the fix right (and speend the weekend not hacking...). Turns out that the disk filled up again tonight, this time with 12+ megs of bounce messages from Cypherpunks subscribers durring the last 9 days. Seems we have some major problems to solve still with the basic mail list technology. I have 11 hours to make a major meeting, so I am going to go back to hacking the software and see how much I can get running tonight. I will install a backup from a few days ago, some of you will have duplacates that we will have to remove yet again, sigh, thats the way it goes. If you have futher questions or problems, please contact me. ||ugh Daniel Muchtimes Postmaster hugh(a)toad.com

2 1