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Re: OECD on Crypto
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:22 AM 6/5/96 -0700, Mixmaster wrote: >OECD NEWS RELEASE - Paris, 10 May 1996 > >OECD EXPERTS BEGIN DRAFTING CRYPTOGRAPHY GUIDELINES > >Cryptography experts from OECD countries have begun drafting a >proposal for OECD Cryptography Policy Guidelines that governments can >use as a guide to formulate their national policies on encryption. > >Many governments are under pressure within their own countries to >develop a national position on cryptography, This is bullshit. If anything, it's exactly the opposite: It is the GOVERNMENTS and those who hold government jobs who are doing the "pressuring." I haven't seen more than a trickle of desire for a "national position on cryptography." What Internet-people want is the ELIMINATION of a "national position on cryptography," I think. >which is used in computer >technology to protect everything from product designs to health and >tax records and global correspondence. But the needs of global >technologies and applications require an international --rather than a >strictly national -- approach to policymaking. In other words, various Constitutions are getting in the way! Tough! > The fast-paced >development of the Global Information Infrastructure adds an element >of urgency. In other words, the governments are feeling that the situation is getting out of their control! Excellent, that's progress. > >The business community, individuals and national security and law enforcement >agencies are all pressing for encryption guidelines BULL! The businesses are saying, "Don't restrict crypto." The individuals are saying, "Don't restrict crypto!" So-called "law enforcement" agencies are saying, "We're losing control of the public! Where's '1984' when we need it!" > and the OECD will strive to >reflect the legitimate interests of all these groups as it drafts Guidelines. I don't think so. >The private sector is closely involved in drafting the Guidelines, >with business representatives from the Business and Industry Advisory >Committee (BIAC) participating at the meeting. Gee, what about THE INDIVIDUALS? You know, the ones you steal your tax money from? That's right, the peons. >The OECD meeting, which took place on 8 May, was hosted by the US >Department of State in Washington DC. That's because the USG is the most unhappy, because its Constitution is making it very difficult to ban crypto. It was held immediately after a >Second Business Government Forum on Global Cryptography Policy in >Washington DC on 7 May, which was cosponsored by the OECD, the >International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) and the Business and Industry Advisory >Committee (BIAC) to the OECD. It probably had a similar lack of participation by ordinary citizens and netizens. Do I detect a pattern here? > Two similar conferences took place in Paris in >December, when OECD countries and business representatives met for the >first time to discuss international cryptography policy. Probably because they had gotten wind a few months before of a serious potential danger to the continued hegemony of governments over the people. > >The process of drafting the OECD Cryptography Policy Guidelines will >continue at an experts meeting in June and is due for completion in >early 1997. It's already too late! >For further information, please contact Ms. Hiroko Kamata, OECD >Directorate for Science, >Technology and Industry (tel. 331 45 24 80 04 - fax. 331 45 24 93 32 - >e-mail. hiroko.kamata(a)oecd.org) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: SF Bay Area Physical Cpunks Meeting, June 8th, Stanford Turing Aud
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:15 PM 6/6/96 -0700, Just Rich wrote: >This Saturday, Turing Auditorium, Noon-5. Unrestricted Ethernet >connectivity (both thinnet and 10BaseT) will be available; email me for an >IP address. Turing Aud has a Mac and a PC on the Net connected to an >EXCELLENT presentation system. If you have something you'd like to show >off, this is the place, and we're still short on topics. > If you have a GPS receiver, head for 37.4296875N 122.1783752E. That's specified to a resolution of about 2/5 of an inch. If everyone heads to this exact spot, it's going to be a VERY friendly meeting! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Fwd: Re: [crypto] crypto-protocols for trading card gam
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 01:22:36 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: [crypto] crypto-protocols for trading card gam > On 29 May 1996 18:57:58 pdt, alanh(a)infi.net wrote: >What _did_ Solitaire do for Windows 3.1? Distract the attention of >the unwashed masses away from the actual merits of the beast? Actually, I believe it covered a direct lack thereof. (Of course, you could have been intending this in a heavily sarcastic form. In that case, I agree entirely) This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Re: whitehouse web incident, viva la web revolution
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote: > As usual you display profound ignorance of history and politics. Oops! This entire "fascism is a form of socialism" thread started in a troll by Detwieler --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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SF Bay Area Physical Cpunks Meeting, June 8th, Stanford Turing Aud
by Just Rich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This Saturday, Turing Auditorium, Noon-5. Unrestricted Ethernet connectivity (both thinnet and 10BaseT) will be available; email me for an IP address. Turing Aud has a Mac and a PC on the Net connected to an EXCELLENT presentation system. If you have something you'd like to show off, this is the place, and we're still short on topics. Graphical actualizations of ideas raised at the last meeting regarding crypto GUIs would be one way to use the space. The agenda is rather slim... Hugh was working on it, but nobody seems to have anything to say. If we get really desperate for ideas, I might end up talking about what I've REALLY been doing for the last five months. Dave Harman will probably miss this one, but he's still invited. Long, anal form of the directions follows. -rich When: June 8th, Noon-5. Where: Turing Auditorium, Stanford University. Directions and maps below. Your Hosts: Hugh Daniels <hugh(a)toad.com>, speaker wrangler/emcee Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu>, venue/den mother/fucking * Amenities: * Seating for 100 (should be enough) * Plenty of white boards * Air conditioning * High-end Mac and Windoze PC on the Internet, both hard-wired into an EXCELLENT projection system, 800x600x16-bit or so * Open 10Base2 and 10BaseT Ethernet drops for your laptop, no firewall to Net; email rich(a)c2.org for IP address * One analog phone * NO munchies within 5 minutes' walk, but Rich will bring bagels * NO plugging your own laptops into the projection system; however, the Mac will have an X server and, of course, web clients Dinner: Fanny & Alexander's? Or Jing Jing again? Directions: If you have a GPS receiver, head for 37.4296875N 122.1783752E. If you have excellent hearing, call 415-853-9080 and follow the ringing. Or, get to Stanford's Campus Drive via 280-Sand Hill or 101-El Camino Real-Embarcadero. From 280, take Campus Drive left (clockwise). From 101, take Campus Drive right (counterclockwise). Turn South (centripetal) at Panama Street and take an immediate left into the Jordan Quad parking lot (empty on weekends). Walk between Pine and Redwood Halls to Polya. Turing is between Polya and Cypress. It doesn't appear on most campus maps, but it's there, honest. Entrance to Turing Auditorium is by the Pac Bell payphone sign. Maps: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/Transportation/PGrid4.html (parking) http://www.stanford.edu/gifs/campus.1620-63-4.gif (800K campus map) http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/vicinity.html (note: upside down!) Socialized transportation: CalTrain to the Palo Alto station; 20-minute walk or arrange to be picked up by a local. 7F bus. See http://www.stanford.edu/group/Transportation/ -rich quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:47 PM 6/6/96 +0000, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >On 6 Jun 96 at 11:19, jim bell wrote: > > >> >>I _do_ believe, however, that the number of people unjustifiably >> >>targeted will be rather low. <snip> Retaliation is possible, in >> >> that case. > >Sorry Jim, I did not get that at all in the past. I assumed a >context where the inner workings of AP would not be well understood >by the population while here, you seems to indicate that everybody >would operate under the threat / deterrance of mutual anihilation >principle. Hmmm... sorry, I thought that was obvious. Well, perhaps not "obvious," but it's one of those facts that will become second nature to people once AP starts up. >A argued that an impulsive guy might target somebody unjustifiably >while I overlooked that he could think twice before doing so. But by >his nature, being a violent or thug at heart, he will understand this >"peace based on threat" maybe even better than a pacifist at heart. >So, my arguments might not stand. As can be expected, people will be looking out for themselves in an AP-dominated system, just as today. I think most people will have a fairly good idea who's targeting them if the hit's not justified. Almost every justified hit can be fairly anonymous. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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RE: Crypto, anyone?
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Name <m.d.allen(a)csu-e.csuohio.edu> wrote: > i need off this mailing list now No one can take you off this list. We don't know or care how you got onto this list. This is an intelligence test. Until you can prove that you are not a clueless fuckwit by disappearing, we will continue to laugh at your sorry whines. Life's a bitch. Deal with it.

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[Fwd: CypherPunk Road Rangers]
by Six 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Begin Creating Forwarded Message ----- [Bienfait Nutly News] THE RECENTLY DISBANDED CANADIAN CYPHERPUNK ROAD Rangers drown their sorrows at the First Daily Bienfait Wine Tasters Keg Party, held at the Coaldust Saloon in DoWell, Saskatchewan. The RoadPunks were the toast of the town last week, when they acquired the Road Rage Control Contract awarded by the Canadian Emotional Crimes Commission. They were also the toast of the town last night (any excuse for a party, eh?), when the contract was revoked as a result of an internal argument within RoadPunk ranks that turned into an ugly free-for-all on the TransCanada Highway which quickly became a real-life demolition derby which injured many innocent, passing travelers, as well. The trouble started when some of the Canadian CypherPunks took offense to some of the actions by various of their American counterparts, who had been invited up to participate in enforcement of the new Emotional Crimes Laws. Tim May, the !Diplomatic Representative of the American faction, angered the Canadians when he stopped a man who had cut him off in heavy traffic and told him, "You drive like a Chinaman, chop, chop." The Canadians were momentarily appeased after May agreed that, while in Canada, he would treat people of Oriental ancestry with respect, and discriminate against wagon-burners and rag-heads, according to local customs. All hell broke loose, however, when May then fired several shots into the side of a passing car which was driving in a perfectly normal fashion, explaining, "He might not have cut me off, but you can bet your ass he cut off someone, somewhere, sometime..." and then refused to allow the Canadian CypherPunks to borrow his illegally imported gun to play with. Local and federal law enforcement officials were persuaded to drop all charges against the RoadPunks, in return for Peter Trei signing over the Canadian rights for use of the Adrenalyzer, which measures the amount of adrenaline in a driver's blood. It is reported to be an early prototype of the Trei Transponder, developed in a secret underground CypherPunks laboratory, by Reptilian CypherPunks. ----- End Forwarding Created Message -----

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Fwd: Re: Possible out-of-US remailer sites, 2nd edition
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Fri, 31 May 96 23:06:02 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: Possible out-of-US remailer sites, 2nd edition > From: stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com To: Adamsc Date: 31 May 1996 05:28:24 pdt Subject: Re: Possible out-of-US remailer sites, 2nd edition >_Country/Area_ _Name_ _Email_ >Anguilla Cable & Wireless webmaster(a)candw.com.ai >Anguilla Offshore Information Services*** info(a)offshore.com.ai There are a number of small countries that aren't part of the US/European/Chinese/Singaporean Hegemonies, where telecom is expensive and Fidonets and uucp are the way to get email there. If you're willing to pay some money to support one, you might get some real anonymity for financially critical data. Also, there are periodic articles in magazines like Wired about how George Soros is wiring the Balkans; perhaps someone there would like to make some money running remailers. If you are willing to go that route, you can setup a Fidonet mailer VERY easily, and send mail that looks like it is from any of the 36000 bulletin boards in the nodelist. Generally it will be refused by a board that has a session password. However, it is exceedingly unlikely that a bbs in Singapore would have a passworded session with a bbs in Texas. You could send it randomly to a BBS using the name of another random board. However, this would probably be very very very UNPOPULAR, particularly if someone got nailed because of it. It would be better to work it out with some sysop in a small 3rd world country... Alternately, if you were to run a board, it is VERY simple to fake the addressing on a Fidonet mail packet...

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Re: whitehouse web incident, viva la web revolution
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Bruce Baugh, wrote: > > Fascism [...] is a theory of economics, > > basically, in which the state has ultimate authority over production and > > distribution without (as in socialism) actually _owning_ the means of > > production or distribution. . At 11:18 AM 6/6/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >Yes, I'm afraid these ahistorical myths are widespread. What _do_ they teach >in these schools? As usual you display profound ignorance of history and politics. Far from being an ahistorical myth, this is an entirely accurate description of fascist ideology: Or do you claim that Mussolini, Peron, etc, were not fascists? Mussolini was the one who coined the name fascism. The theory and ideology of fascism was developed by the philosopher Giovanni Gentile, and there is nothing particularly racist or right wing about either Gentile or Mussolini. Fascism is not Republicanism on steriods, nor is it racism. Fascism is basically romanticism plus socialism plus nationalism. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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