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Re: MasterCard Seeks Revision in On-Line Bill
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This kind of testimony shows exactly why we (individual citizens) can't trust corporations to guard our interests in the crypto arena: At 12:25 PM 6/19/96 -0700, se7en wrote: >Joel Lisker, MasterCard International senior vice president for security >and risk management, testified in support of the "Promotion of Commerce >On-Line an the Digital Era Act" bill. > >But he urged that the legislation be amended to address security concerns >arising from the resale and reexportation of encryption technology. > [..] >But Mr. Lisker urged that the bill be amended to increase the penalties >for the rexportation and resale of this technology to questionable >buyers, including criminals. "Modernizing the federal regulatory approach >to encryption technology must be accomplished without weakening the >ability of law enforcement agencies to pursue criminal activity," he >testified. Look at this closely, and Mastercard's position, and you'll notice that Lisker has no obvious professional interest in encouraging the _increasing_ of penalities for the "reexportation and resale of this technology to questionable buyers, including criminals." (In a contest between Mastercard armed with good encryption, and criminals armed with similar tools, Mastercard will win, because winning simply involves keeping the crooks away from its money.) Lisker is also presumably smart enough to know that few people are going to go into an "Encryption Store" and say, "I'm a criminal! Could I buy your best encryption, please?" Yet, despite no obvious reason for Lisker's interest, he's pushing the "no crypto to bad guys" buttons, so he's obviously sucking up to the politicians in an area he has no reason to. It sounds to me like a deal is being struck, and I'm certain the public will be on the short end of that deal. Why can these thugs just accept the fact that crypto will get into the hands of people that governments don't want it to? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Digital Cash application
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:53 PM 6/19/96 -0400, Declan B. McCullagh wrote: >Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 19-Jun-96 Re: Digital Cash >application by jim bell(a)pacifier.com >> It seems to me that since paying people funds that were stolen from them >> would produce good publicity, which by definition could be argued to be >> spending it on the campaign. Sure, it's a non-traditional tactic, but that >> doesn't mean it's in violation of the campaign law. They could also email >> along a set of libertarian literature, and the recipient would certify that >> he would promote the libertarian cause and work for the election of the >> candidate, etc, etc. > >Jim: I've worked on a presidential campaign before and can tell you that >if the FEC is likely to consider something a violation, the campaign is >not going to skirt the line. > >That said, perhaps the law is outdated and needs to be changed. The following two paragraphs were sent to me by a person familiar with Oregon Libertarian politics over the last 15 years: "Good idea. Something like this was done in the early '80's in Oregon. There was a $1 checkoff to the political party of one's choice on the Oregon income tax form, and the LPO was the recipient of a grand or so of money stolen from taxpayers. Gary Chipman came up with the idea of sending $1 bills to LPO members and registered Oregon libertarians with a fundraising letter touting us as the only party that would really give them their money back." "Interestingly, the mailing raised more in donations than it cost in stolen money and postage, and got us good press too. The legislature promptly abolished the checkoff during their next session." [end of quote] There may be a CLUE here: Laws and regulations tend to be written based on what the writer can imagine, and are updated based on what has happened. We can probably agree that "standard" (non-libertarian) politics would not have anticipated such an idea, and moreover you can also suppose that 20+ years of D's and R's politics would not have resulted in an example of such a tactic being used. Thus, there is no obvious reason to believe that this kind of tactic would have already been prohibited. We can agree that D's and R's won't like it, as is obvious from what the Oregon legislature did, but rather than merely presume that it is illegal, why not take the position that unless it is clearly outlawed, then it must be considered a legal tactic? It would be a valid goal to eliminate the system, as it apparently did in Oregon. Don't give up before the race. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Anything is Possible
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 17 Jun 96 at 17:21, "M.Wagoner" (safemail(a)ntrnet.net) wrote: > We would like someone to be able or should I say try and crack our > encryption. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. Mmm hmm. Sure. And the Titanic was unsinkable, except for that damned iceberg. And does anyone remember the great train robbery of Britain? I could go on forever. There are no absolutes, especially in cryptography. I would be willing to bet that the Safe Mail execs encrypt their company mail with PGP. Maybe some day, in my spare five minutes, I'll crack it - but I'll have to be really damn bored. And why would I bother - you've already proven its fault. =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo o chiisaku dekimasu) -------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or get from keyservers pub 1024/D37692F9 1995/07/01 David Rosoff <drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu> Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 I accept anonymous mail. If I didn't sign it, you don't know I wrote it. === "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will / To strive, to seek, to find-- and not to yield." <---- "Ulysses", by Alfred, Lord Tennyson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMcjB7RguzHDTdpL5AQFW1AP/T2a2v2PSL2yMKsMZUtsSptCUZ1+peQ2y Wuk0dB+qyUU+of2dDv1XR/P+SQ5Q5YsOPOtZSocZIF2cKDuDG5sLreHoCDwlApZD CFHQd1RtrTPFq4btd5QGK6w0gGcR/vkrfk8x1yZd+1UfPIrOUKRBXcnDUZqwWKFu qCOuvCkGNmY= =+98t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Matching funds
by tonie＠efn.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In 1996, the Libertarian Party will apparently qualify for Federal matching >>>funds for its Presidential political campaign. That does not mean that it >>>will _accept_ them, being stolen goods. However, a few years ago I heard of >>>an idea that they should accept the money, and return it to the people, a >>>small amount at a time, to whomever asks for it. Besides returning the >>>stolen money to its rightful owners, that would produce substantial positive >>>publicity for the Libertarian party, embarrassment for the Democrats and >>>Republicans, while at the same time reducing the amount of money available >>>for the D's and the R's. >>> >>> You can buy a helluva lot more publicity with the matching funds. I'm not advocating this, just pointing it out. Tonie

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Re: Federal key registration agency
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:48 PM 6/19/96 -0500, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov) wrote: >A couple of questions [admittedly, I am not the best expect in American >politics]: >1) Is there anything real that individual citizens can do? Agitate - it worked well when Clipper first came out. Write code to do things regular people want to do, so that they'll be trying to ban existing material instead of new material, and so people will get used to using encryption. PGP is nice, but imagine if everyone who used Netscape had windows popping up that said "Encrypting your message to $RECIPIENT. Cc: to the FBI? [Yes] [No]" >2) Would it be helpful to kick democrats out of office and replace >them with republicans? In other words, are republicans any better >than democrats in respecting citizens' right to protecting their >privacy from the government? Remember that the Clipper initiative and development started during the Presidency of ex-CIA-director and all-around sleazemeister George Bush. You could say it was dumb luck that it came out during Clinton's watch, so he got the credit/blame, but the folks who are pushing it have the political savvy to know they'd have far less luck with a lame-duck Bush proposal during a Clinton "Reinventing Government" than by waiting until Clinton's securely in office, giving him some credit, and having the Republicans who were around when it started supporting them as well. [Or they could have expected Bush to be re-elected, and figured announcing it before the election wouldn't help. Or the product could have just been late :-)] Not much difference; if anything, Democrats are usually more in favor of free speech than Republicans, and would be more likely to oppose it. They're both a pretty sad lot, though there are occasional Congresscritters who sometimes get it. Now, kicking out Democrats and Republicans and replacing them with Libertarians, Perotistas, Greens, or even Reds would have a positive effect, at least for a little while, but that's a bit more work. :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Dispel Authority!

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Congress is at it again
by nobody＠vegas.gateway.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

HOME RECORDING RIGHTS COALITION ALERT !! IMMINENT CONGRESSIONAL ACTION ON NII COPYRIGHT BILL THREATENS CONSUMER ELECTRONICS PRODUCTS The House of Representatives Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property will meet in the next few days to vote on H.R. 2441, the "NII Copyright Protection Act." If you or your business are in the congressional district of one of the Members of Congress listed below, please call the Subcommittee member who represents you NOW. Tell his office that this badly imbalanced bill shouldn't be voted on unless and until the following problem is addressed. If passed in its current form, H.R. 2441 would: o make it a crime to manufacture the next generation of VCRs, personal computers and other digital devices needed for recreational and educational use by adding a sweeping and overbroad new Section 1201 to the Copyright Act. If you need more information, check out the HRRC home page at http://www.access.digex.net/~hrrc/ or call toll free 1-800-282-8273. ACTION NEEDED NOW!!! Please immediately prepare a letter to send (use the draft letter below as a model) - keep it short. --AND CALL -- the Member of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property who represents you (see list). These contacts must be made NO LATER THAN Tuesday, June 18, and preferably sooner. In addition, please forward this alert on to your friends and colleagues. Please address all letters as indicated in the list below to Washington, DC 20515. All phone and fax (f) numbers are area code (202): The Honorable Carlos Moorhead R-CA 2346 RHOB 225-4176 f:226-1279 The Honorable James Sensenbrenner R-WI 2332 RHOB 225-5101 f:225-3190 The Honorable George Gekas R-PA 2410 RHOB 225-4315 f: 225-8440 The Honorable Howard Coble R-NC 403 CHOB 225-3065 f:225-8611 The Honorable Elton Gallegly R-CA 2441 RHOB 225-5811 f:225-1100 The Honorable Charles Canady R-FL 1222 LHOB 225-1252 f:225-2279 The Honorable Bob Goodlatte R-NC 123 CHOB 225-5431 f: 225-9681 The Honorable Martin Hoke R-OH 212 CHOB 225-5871 f:226-0994 The Honorable Sonny Bono R-CA 512 CHOB 225-5330 f:225-2961 The Honorable John Conyers, Jr. D-MI 2426 RHOB 225-5126 f:225-0072 The Honorable Patricia Schroeder D-CO 2307 RHOB 225-4431 f:225-5842 The Honorable Howard Berman D-CA 2231 RHOB 225-4695 f:225-5279 The Honorable Rick Boucher D-VA 2245 RHOB 225-3861 f:225-0442 The Honorable Jerry Nadler D-NY 109 CHOB 225-5635 f:225-6923 The Honorable Xavier Becerra D-CA 1119 LHOB 225-6235 f:225-2202 SAMPLE LETTER The Honorable Address Washington, DC 20515 Dear Rep. ____________: I have learned that Section 1201 of the NII Copyright Protection Act (H.R. 2441) could take away my right to use new digital video technology for my personal recording. It also could delay or even prevent these new products from being available to consumers. If I record television programs, I do it for my personal use and convenience. The Supreme Court's "Betamax" decision confirmed my right to do this. Section 1201 will change the current law so that I may not be able to do this in the future with new digital video products. I understand that a House subcommittee vote on this bill is planned for next week. I realize that the copyright issue is complex, but please remember to protect my rights as a consumer. I hope you will vote against H.R. 2441 as drafted. Will you please let me know your position on this issue? Sincerely, YOUR NAME Thank you.

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Take the money, Harry.
by tonie＠efn.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Jim, Harry should take the money. As Ayn Rand said, "Don't let your morality be used against you." I believe in the philosophy of law. As long as it's legal, each person can take whatever he is legally entitled to from the government's stolen money, as long as he/she doesn't ADVOCATE that the coercive tax system be retained. Many will not take grants, or welfare, but they are legally entitled to it. As for the moral entitlement, that is a matter for them to work out for themselves. After all, we have to drive on government (tax supported) roads, etc. Tonie

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DCSB: Electronic Commerce: The State of the Art
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Peter Loshin, Author of Electronic Commerce: Online Ordering and Digital Money "Electronic Commerce: The State of the Art" Tuesday, June 2, 1996 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Pete Loshin has been writing about networking, the Internet and electronic commerce for the past two years; before that he worked as a TCP/IP networking engineer for a Cambridge research lab and systems manager for a major publishing company. Books currently available include _Electronic Commerce: Online Ordering and Digital Money_ and _TCP/IP for Everyone_. Pete plans to launch an Internet commerce newsletter this fall. The future always looks shinier, more efficient and more pleasant than the present. The same holds true for the future of electronic commerce, but a lot of people are not waiting for the clean and bright future of SET and unrestricted crypto. They are doing business right now, over the Internet, and what they do will affect the way we do business well into the next century. Electronic commerce is still largely an art, and after lunch on Monday July 2 Pete will talk a little bit about the state of that art. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, July 2, 1996 from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $27.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men, and "appropriate business attire" for women. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, June 29, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston". If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Planned speakers for the following few months are: August Duane Hewitt Idea Futures September Tatsuo Tanaka Some Economics of Digital Cash We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, rah(a)shipwright.com . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . Looking forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMclWIvgyLN8bw6ZVAQHTKQP+IPEGyKdwqIC3TcECkuem35RF/dK9WDtr A3YpRXTU4+4nOaI+KMDK5hH0vV7qOI0t+l3fKdRYjHRBk3tp4GPy/B2GylJFTWtE STYDza4xdghiq/d4IkZW0mn3XF7bK2YlsR8Xqe1dLXkpuoEmi4daiaby4Bwqf35W 4cXLQdRqZ0U= =2CcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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[SF Bay Area] Security And Freedom through Encryption Forum
by stevenw＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Seen on the net: SAFE: Security And Freedom through Encryption Forum, July 1, 1996 ================================================================= For a national encryption policy that promotes commerce and protects privacy http://www.crypto.com/safe NOTE: Please register for and reserve your free ticket at http://www.crypto.com/safe/sign.html so you don't miss out! Space is limited! Save the Date! July 1, 1996 Stanford University, Stanford, California Event Information, Speakers, and Agenda On July 1, 1996 in the heart of California's Silicon Valley, members of Congress and prominent computer industry leaders and privacy advocates will meet to discuss the need to reform U.S. encryption policy. Encryption technologies, the "locks and keys" of the Information Age, are an essential component of a secure and trusted Global Information Infrastructure. Every day, millions of dollars in commercial transactions and the private communications of individuals traverse the global network. All are vulnerable to the prying eyes of industrial spies, hackers, and rogue foreign governments. Computer users need strong encryption technology to protect themselves online, and U.S. businesses need the ability to export strong encryption in order to build a secure Global Information Infrastructure. Yet current U.S. export controls and other limits on encryption technology are limiting the widespread availability of strong, easy-to-use privacy and security products. As a result, these policies are stifling the growth of electronic commerce, preventing computer users from protecting their privacy, and handicapping U.S. industry in the global marketplace. Until these cold war barriers are removed, the full potential of the Internet and the future of electronic commerce will never be realized. National and local press are encouraged to attend this high profile event. For more information, please contact Danielle Kolb or Alan Davidson at the Center for Democracy and Technology, +1 202 637 9800. _________________________________________________________________ Event Information * Location:Kresge Auditorium at Stanford University, Stanford, California * Date: July 1, 1996, 9:00 am - 4:00 pm * Admission: Reserve your Free Ticket Today! http://www.crypto.com/safe/sign.html Confirmed Participants Include: Industry Leaders and Cryptographers: * Marc Andreeson, Vice President, Netscape Communications Corp. * James Bidzos, President, RSA Data Security * Eric Schmidt, Chief Technical Officer, Sun Microsystems * Brad Silverberg, Senior Vice President, Microsoft Corp. * Computer security experts Matt Blaze and Eric Thompson Members of Congress: * Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-CA) * Rep. Tom Campbell (R-CA) * Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) * Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) * Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) (by satellite) Demonstrations of Encryption Products and Techniques: * SAFE Forum Educational Demo Team: Company Contact/Demo Person Technologies _______________________________________________________________________ Cisco Marcy Shrader/Elizabeth Kaufman Router card, routers Cybercash Shannon McElyea Digital cash/ online transactions Cygnus Philip Peake Kerberos Cylink Paula Dunne Sniffing/cracker demo Digital[*] Steve Monticone Firewall tunnel, workstations, various Milky Way Dave Della Maggiore firewalls Mytech Ann Brown Biometric encryption National Semiconductor Kate Peters/Larry Van Valkenburgh PCMCIA cards/devices PGP Jesse Anton email, encrypting phone RSA Kurt Stammberger S/MIME, various [* Not absolutely confirmed yet, but very interested and confirming participation with company.] Additional invited guest include prominant industry leaders, privacy advocates, security experts, and Members of Congress. Watch http://www.crypto.com/safe/safe_program.html for updates. _________________________________________________________________ Sponsors Of The SAFE Forum: America Online American Civil Liberties Union Americans for Tax Reform AT&T Business Software Alliance Center for Democracy and Technology Center for National Security Studies Commercial Internet eXchange CompuServe Incorporated Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Cylink Corporation EDS Electronic Frontier Foundation Electronic Messaging Association Electronic Privacy Information Center Information Technology Association of America IEEE - USA Media Institute Microsoft Corporation National Association of Manufacturers Netcom Online Communication Services Netscape Communications Corporation Novell, Inc. Oracle Corporation Pacific Telesis Group Prodigy, Inc. Progress and Freedom Foundation Securities Industry Association Software Publishers Association Sybase, Inc. Voters Telecommunications Watch Wired Magazine __________________________________________________________________________ -- <HTML><A HREF="http://www.eff.org/~mech/"> Stanton McCandlish </A><HR><A HREF="mailto:mech@eff.org"> mech(a)eff.org </A><P><A HREF="http://www.eff.org/"> Electronic Frontier Foundation </A><P> Online Activist </HTML> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | Technology (n): | | A substitute for adulthood. stevenw(a)best.com | Popular with middle-aged men.

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Re: ADD and Unix, + Ritalin Questions
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"ichudov(a)algebra.com" 10-JUL-1996 03:56:31.76 >3. Are there any long term effects from Ritalin, and can it >be discontinued easily? Well, the FDA seems to think it's addictive... my experience with it (off on weekends, evenings, and in the summer) would appear to say otherwise. There is some appetite suppression, which allegedly may lead to growth suppression, but I have some doubt about this (I'm over 6'1"). -Allen

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