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Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory...
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I see there are lots of interesting discussions on economy recently > on this list. But I miss stuffs relating to the currently existing > crisis of the financial market, topics like causes of failure of > LTCM etc. etc. Haven't we discused the failures of Little Timmy C. May enough?

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The Dangers of Cross-Pollinating Other Mailing Lists
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks, When people decide to copy other mailing lists on messages they send to Cypherpunks (or vice versa), we often get flooded with insults and spams from people who don't share our views. (While I have nothing against trying to recruit others to our views, in my opinion this is best done by judicious writing of essays for _them_, tuned to their interests, and not in mindless spamming of every list that might have a passing interest in some of the topics.) We already have enough traffic here, and don't need replies from a bunch of other lists, be they libertarian lists, digital commerce lists, human rights lists, or java lists. The latest example of this is the rantfest invvolving these players: ------ From: Jack Hammer <jh(a)teleport.com> To: jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> Cc: Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu>, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, nwlibertarians(a)teleport.com, hammernet-l(a)teleport.com, libernet-d(a)dartmouth.EDU, liberty-and-justice(a)pobox.com ------ I recognized Bell and Graves, but not the others. And I see no reason why our list should be dragged into flames about "fart sacks" by people on all of these other lists. This was the final straw, and I have no choice except to add Bell, Graves, Hammer, etc. to my filter list, which I will now proceed to do before sending this message off. [Done] Words have consequences. So do flames. --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Opinion piece in NYT; responses needed
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by jrochkin(a)cs.oberlin.edu (Jonathan Rochkind) on Sun, 28 Jan 7:33 PM > The New York Times, January 2, 1996, Business, p. 14 > Viewpoint: J. Walker Smith > Standoff in Cyberspace Gulch That's January 28, 1996, no lie. Mein typo, bitte schoen. Back to Mr. Rochkind's assail.

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Re: [NOISE] Re: The Big Lie
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:54 PM 1/28/96, John F. Fricker wrote: >My grandfather was drafted towards the end of world war ii. he was a >doctor and was among the first medical teams to land at anzio. his >hospital was the first to arrive at auswitz <sp?>. When asked how that >affected him, my grandmother said "After he returned from the war there >was no joy left in him." > >I do not doubt the existance of prison camps in the third reich. Whether >the stories have been exaggerated is another question. Besides in this day >and age where Isreal is a nuclear arsenal run by nutty rightwing warlords >who in their right mind would dare belittle their tragedies. ..... You need to read a wider variety of articles, and gain an understanding of irony used to make a point. I sometimes despair when I get these comments. (The ones I get in private mail often reveal incurable cluelessness, even if the correspondents are just high school students who somehow found the CP list.) To make it clear to those readers out there who take all posts as literal (and who didn't read my note at the bottom!), I was not doubting that Jews were exterminated. Also, John, you need not quote my entire article at the end of your own comments. Use your editor to quote only the parts you wish to discuss. --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Downsizing the NSA
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"tcmay(a)got.net" 28-JAN-1996 03:47:14.08 >However, as Phill notes, the NSA and other intelligence agencies are now in that most dangerous of positions: a powerful agency or department casting about for something to do. Spying on citizens and keeping the keys to their private communications and diaries is not an appropriate option. AT&T is downsizing, IBM downsized a while back, so why couldn't the NSA just do the right thing: admit that the Soviet threat is no more, congratulate the victors, and downsize by 20,000 employees? ------------------- Funny, everyone seems to forget about China. If I were dictating NSA policies, I'd simply reassign the people to China. Admittedly, modern cryptography makes some of it useless, but HUMINT to get (parts of) codes is still quite possible. -Allen

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[NOISE] Re: The Big Lie
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My grandfather was drafted towards the end of world war ii. he was a doctor and was among the first medical teams to land at anzio. his hospital was the first to arrive at auswitz <sp?>. When asked how that affected him, my grandmother said "After he returned from the war there was no joy left in him." I do not doubt the existance of prison camps in the third reich. Whether the stories have been exaggerated is another question. Besides in this day and age where Isreal is a nuclear arsenal run by nutty rightwing warlords who in their right mind would dare belittle their tragedies. Rewriting history is a powerful tool, whether it be the history of the death of Hendrix, the death of Kennedy, the logging of the pacific northwest or of ethnic cleansing. The only way to combat the powerful who would seek to rewrite history is to create an authenticatable system for document storage. Text books have long been regarded as the predominant model yet, pick up any high school history book and marvel at the differences from say Zinn's "The People's History of the United States". What is needed is more though. A system whereby one can trace the source of the information to the actual time and place of an event as well as authenticating identity. At 02:07 PM 1/28/96 -0800, you wrote: >At 7:59 PM 1/28/96, Mike Duvos wrote: > >>I just visited the Ernst Zundel Webcom page, which given the >>number of server overload errors I experienced trying to browse >>it, is now the Numero Uno Web Site on the entire Internet, thanks >>to some anonymous and largely clueless official running >>telecommunications services for the former Third Reich. > >Like many born after the Second World War, I took it as a fact that the >so-called Holocaust actually happened. I saw pictures of death camps, >interviews with survivors, etc. > >But if it really happened, why are so many countries trying to suppress the >evidence that it was all just a CIA-Mossad plot? It seems more likely that >the pictures were faked, or were pictures taken of dying Germans in Russian >POW camps on the Eastern Front. > >If They are trying to suppress discussion, maybe there's something to their >ideas. > >If the Germans are suppressing attempts to get at the truth, I suspect the >stories are true that the Holocaust was part of Truman's "Big Lie." > >--Tim > > > >[Note: I present this as a line of thinking that is actually often the >result of suppression of views. "If They are suppressing it, maybe there's >some truth to it." Note also that the views of Zundel and other Holocaust >Deniers are not causally related to the deaths of millions of Jews, >gypsies, and others in WW II. The damage, if any, is in the "hurt feelings" >and "insults" felt by survivors and their relatives. The other danger often >cited, that Zundel will recruit a Fourth Reich or somesuch, is no more >likely than that Jerry Falwell will recruit a New Crusade, or that J. >Random Ranter will do the same. In a free and open society, we let people >believe in "wrong ideas" (witness Christianity, Islam, Scientology, >Judaism, and a thousand other cults).] > >Boycott espionage-enabled software! >We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." > > > > >

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Re: "German service cuts Net access" (to Santa Cruz)
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 04:02 PM 01/28/96 -0600, m5(a)dev.tivoli.com (Mike McNally) wrote: > >olmur(a)dwarf.bb.bawue.de writes: > > It's illegal in Germany to publish material denying the holocaust. In > > the same moment this guy sent his book [...] per snail-mail from Canada > > to Germany he commited a crime here in Germany. > >Hi. President M5 of Psychonia here. I'm afraid we've recently >enacted legislation in the tiny nation of Psychonia that makes it >illegal to parenthesize question marks in electronic mail messages, >because such acts are a direct offense to some of the members of >primitive hill tribes who live in remote portions of our land. > >I issue this warning not to set foot in Psychonia or any of the >countries with whom we share extradition treaties, or you will be >arrested and brought here for trial, conviction, and punishment. > This message is _clearly_ an effort to spread *pornography* on the net. I know this to be true through the use of a 3-letter code that I have cleverly deleted . If you continue to spread this vile and disgusting trash, I shall have no choice but to complain to my government representatives and have all imports from your country banned, and to pressure companies not to do business in/with your nation. Dave Merriman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMQtudMVrTvyYOzAZAQEJlAP/WeH2TkFaa0MBz2AfWsbOU30flSmghqCn Hg30Uwi44fHg4zpGsQYPfwPofK5BJ+cwPcTBuhurZgmKxhEJuj5OrrOw/kaKLjnu uJ82MEIEhkojCUGAQicYgW+B2g62vtJXYhBuQWTKzrKpiys2vYucil6m/8fxZFKx TDSq4sHK5IA= =MtgG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> My web page: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1148

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Re: "German service cuts Net access" (to Santa Cruz)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:10 AM 1/29/96, John Lull wrote: >Are you saying that, if I ran a bookstore, and accepted international >mail orders, I would have to screen every order to ensure I did not >ship something offensive to the German government? And if I did fill >such an order, and without ever having set foot in Germany, I could be >arrested on my next trip to Europe, extradited to Germany, and >imprisoned for doing something that is constitutionally protected in >the US? As a point of information, the operators of the "Amateur Action" bulletin board in Fremont, California are now sitting in prison because they e-mailed material fully legal in California but illegal (the court determined) in Memphis, Tennessee. And, yes, there are many things which are "constitutionally protected" inside the U.S. but which are crimes in Europe and elsewhere. (And things that are legal in Europe, but illegal in the U.S., and all permutations.) One can write a book in the U.S. and receive a death sentence in Iran. Get used to it. It makes no sense for us to whine and complain about Country A outlawing some activity that is legal in Country B. The thing for us to do is to use technology and code to subvert and bypass laws of any country which are repressive and controlling. --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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